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Gulf Oil Spill Could Have Been Stopped 48 days Earlier
american thinker ^ | 3/3/11 | Bruce Thompson

Posted on 03/03/2011 12:00:14 PM PST by Nachum

For 48 days and nights, the Deepwater Horizon well spewed oil into the Gulf of Mexico, when it could have been shut down. We now know this:

It is very likely that if the top kill had been designed to deliver more than 109 bpm of 16.4 ppg drilling fluid below the BOP stack for a sustained period, the Macondo blowout could have been stopped between May 26-28, 2010. Given that the well was successfully shut-in with the capping stack in July, and that the subsequent bullhead (static) kill was successful, certainly a higher rate top kill would have been successful at that time.

That is the pull quote from a research paper submitted to the President's Oil Spill Commission by Dr. Mayank Tyagi et al. of LSU. The Commission's Chief Counsel's Report 2011 puts the onus on BP for discontinuing the top kill attempt. Dr. Tyagi uses a New York Times illustration as his figure 2, indicating some faith in their reporting. The New York Times reported that Energy Secretary Steven Chu was responsible for stopping the effort against BP's wishes.

His role gradually deepened as he assembled a team of scientists from the Department of Energy laboratories, universities and other government agencies. By late May, his confidence had grown and he was giving orders to BP officials, including his demand to stop the top kill effort even though some BP engineers believed it could still succeed.

"A lot of us said ‘don't start it,' and he was the one who said ‘stop,' " said a BP technician who was granted anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the company. "But having done all we had already done, I thought we should have completed the final two operations. He was not keen to listen. BP people said, ‘Let's try these last two steps,' but he said, ‘No, stop.' "

We know from the factual record that the last joint National Incident Command - BP press conference was held on May 27. The next press event by the NIC did not occur until June 1 and BP was not invited. Somebody has some explaining to do!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britishpetroleum; deepwaterhorizon; energy; energypolicy; gulf; macondo; marxistcoup; oil; spill; stevenchu; stopped

1 posted on 03/03/2011 12:00:17 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 03/03/2011 12:01:07 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Zer0’s fault.


3 posted on 03/03/2011 12:02:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Nachum

This was done on purpose and by design, in my opinion.


4 posted on 03/03/2011 12:03:53 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Nachum

....and BP is the only company who got a permit since the moratorium was lifted.....just saying, ya know


5 posted on 03/03/2011 12:06:12 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Nachum
I guess he didn't read his book...


Leaks4DU

6 posted on 03/03/2011 12:10:29 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

**This was done on purpose and by design, in my opinion.**

Actor Kevin Costner has a machine that separated oil from the spill, and put water back 95% Pure... EPA Refused it, as the water coming out wasn’t Pure ENOUGH!!!

Just reminding, just sayin’


7 posted on 03/03/2011 12:10:54 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Egypt 2011 = Iran 1979)
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To: Nachum

8 posted on 03/03/2011 12:12:51 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum

There’s question that’s been bugging me since the event began. I live in the Northeast, so what do I know about drilling. However, that rig was essentially a boat, a floating vessel. Why haven’t the boneheads who poured millions of gallons of water into the rig, causing it to sink and breaking the standpipe, not been targeted for some blame? Who authorized that “slick” move? sd


9 posted on 03/03/2011 12:13:30 PM PST by shotdog (I love my country. It's our government I'm afraid of.)
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To: Doogle
AND....just 3.5 billion out of the 20 billion the pirate Dumbo blackmailed BP for has been spent.....just saying ya know
10 posted on 03/03/2011 12:15:56 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Nachum

And when they came in some of us left not wanting to participate in a doomed project.

Yup, could have been stopped much sooner and flow rate could have been determined much sooner and much more accurately.


11 posted on 03/03/2011 12:16:00 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Nachum

Energy Secretary Steven Chu probaly wanted them to paint the Gulf waters white to stop global warming.


12 posted on 03/03/2011 12:23:14 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

On purpose and it’s not just opinion.

I was in the southern parrishes in Louisiana when the oil starting to get into the marsh. The local sherriffs were beyond livid. The state of Louisiana environmental folks were going postal. NONE of that made national news.

Jindal was put in a position of either standing down and let the oil continue to spoil the marshland, or violate federal laws. The ripple effect on the LA economy was immediate and very visable.

And obama played golf.

Yea this was purposeful.

They used the BP explosion to shut down all new drilling in the Gulf and to punish the State of Louisiana.
Had Jindal been an obama buddy, the story would have been a lot different.

obama punishes his political enemies and rewards his political friends.


13 posted on 03/03/2011 12:25:08 PM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: shotdog
The “boat” didn't sink because too much water was put on it.

This was a semi-submersible rig. The rig floated due to the buoyancy of the pontoons. Those pontoons are underwater. Pouring water on the surface equipment that doesn't hold water did not make it sink.


14 posted on 03/03/2011 12:44:39 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: shotdog
Better picture:


15 posted on 03/03/2011 12:46:51 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Texas resident

Had Jindal been an obama buddy, the story would have been a lot different.

^^^^^

Absolutely correct. No coincidence that all of the Gulf governors are Republicans.

Obama’s answer to the crippled economy: Let them collect unemployment checks and beg BP for handouts.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 12:51:13 PM PST by maica ( It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.)
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To: thackney

What do you think? I have heard that they almost had a McChrystal situation at the incident command center, everyone was so fed up with Obama and his interference.

I’m afraid that the whole country is going to pay the price for Obama’s treatment of BP. Everyone is so concerned that BP owns 50% of the new well that recently received permission to drill, but BP is selling off most of it’s US holdings, either to China or Petrobas. No one seems to know which. Neither one will be very good for the US.


17 posted on 03/03/2011 12:59:55 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
What do you think?

That the top kill might have worked if it had been tried longer?

Perhaps, but the problem was overcoming the massive flow prior to getting a column of mud deep enough into the casing to gain enough weight to stabilize the pressure.

It took a much deeper point of intersection that resulted in a much heaver, longer column of mud prior to penetrating casing nearer the field depth.

With the information I have seen, I doubt the top kill would have eventually worked, but it was possible and certainly was worth trying.

18 posted on 03/03/2011 1:05:13 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney

Well, much of what was tried down there was a long shot and it worked. No one was betting on that dispersant working as well as it did.


19 posted on 03/03/2011 1:25:50 PM PST by Eva
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To: Nachum

They’d have had to drag Barack off the golf course to do that. Inconvenient.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 1:27:29 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Eva
Those in the business never considered the relief well a long shot. It was already known what amount of mud would hold back the pressure as that was already done prior to the cementing that failed.

The relief well was essentially sure thing, but a slow process. The other attempts were just money spent in hopes of getting something new to work. Worthwhile attempts in my opinion.

21 posted on 03/03/2011 1:31:43 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Texas resident
Jindal was put in a position of either standing down and let the oil continue to spoil the marshland, or violate federal laws.

Correct. And Jindal should have gone ahead and violated the federal laws. Let the Feds try and explain why they are prosecuting a state for protecting its shores from the spill.

The fact Jindal did not stick his neck out for his state is why nobody is talking him up for a 2012 Presidential run. That and the miserable response he gave to the 2010 SOTU address.

22 posted on 03/03/2011 1:33:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: Texas resident
Jindal was put in a position of either standing down and let the oil continue to spoil the marshland, or violate federal laws.

Correct. And Jindal should have gone ahead and violated the federal laws. Let the Feds try and explain why they are prosecuting a state for protecting its shores from the spill.

The fact Jindal did not stick his neck out for his state is why nobody is talking him up for a 2012 Presidential run. That and the miserable response he gave to the 2010 SOTU address.

23 posted on 03/03/2011 1:33:36 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: mstar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2683160/posts


24 posted on 03/03/2011 1:34:08 PM PST by WKB (We have Bachmann all we need to do is "Turner" on the "Over Drive")
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To: thackney
What other reason would cause it to sink other than water in the pontoons?. You dont see a scenario that water on the decks would have found some way to the pontoons?
25 posted on 03/03/2011 2:07:28 PM PST by dmet
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To: Nachum

More Obama Engineering. It not his not his fault. He’s the first Black President, so he can’t be criticized. Move along. He cannot be disturbed at this time. Can’t you see that he’s got a deficit to raise? Besides he has the delicate condition.


26 posted on 03/03/2011 2:22:22 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: thackney

I was actually thinking about the clean up methods. My husband is involved in the clean up, the aftermath of a spill. BP was in charge of the rest, with a little interference from the feds.


27 posted on 03/03/2011 2:45:32 PM PST by Eva
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To: Nachum

but that wasn’t what the great asshole wanted.


28 posted on 03/03/2011 2:57:10 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: Nachum

Does anyone know whether we learned something valuable during the spill, I mean other than keeping the Feds out of it?


29 posted on 03/03/2011 3:17:56 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: dmet

The pontoons are already underwater. The are connected to the upper decks via piping and valves to control air and water into them that raises and lowers the rig.

Prior to the fire, the valving was all closed up because the platform was in a stable position. You could have tripled the fire fighting boats and not affected the water into the pontoons.

But once the fire got so hot that piping and valving started melting, that rig was going down with no fire boats.

The only hope was to put out the fire (nearly impossible) and then try to fix the leaks.

In a fire that big it is almost certainly a lost cause. But fighting the fire is the only hope. Without all that water the temperatures would have been hotter, it would have melted sooner and sunk faster.


30 posted on 03/03/2011 4:25:28 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
Thanks for the in depth response.

I still wonder if the buoyancy is controlled by pumping water in and out of a sealed pontoon or by air pressure to force water out of an top sealed only pontoon. If water is pumped, it still seems unlikely to me that the fire could heat and melt pipe all the way down to the sea level to allow water in.

OTOH, if air pressure and pipes melt up top, I see it would be sinking very quickly. Of course that would seem like a very shortsighted design that an air leak could send the rig to the bottom. Surely that would not be the case.

31 posted on 03/03/2011 6:35:26 PM PST by dmet
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To: Nachum
bama boo boo'd


32 posted on 03/03/2011 7:21:11 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: dmet

I don’t see how a huge roaring fire with no controls in the amount of heat produced, tens of thousands of barrels of crude oil spilling on the deck every day was going to end differently if no fire fighting was done.


33 posted on 03/04/2011 4:48:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney

Well, you cleared that up for me. Thanks for the correction. sd


34 posted on 03/04/2011 6:01:57 AM PST by shotdog (I love my country. It's our government I'm afraid of.)
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To: dmet

This may help give some perspective on the melting of the steel.

http://www.jwco.com/technical-litterature/p09.htm

The pressure-feed fire of a blowout will totally destroy the surrounding steel structure in minutes. Derricks have fallen-in less than 30 minutes after blowout ignition. The core temperature of a low-GOR 28 deg. F API crude oil blowout in Kuwait was measured at 1,677 deg. C (3,051 deg. F). And a radiant heat temperature of 510 deg. C (950 deg. F) was measured at ground level, 15 m (49 ft) from the base of this large vertical fire, which was estimated at 30,000 bopd. Oil well firefighters commonly see surrounding sand and stones melted and fused on large fires. Steel loses most of its strength at 500 deg. C (932 deg. F) and melts at 1,500 deg. C (2,732 deg. F).

...

Water.
The most important method to limit fire damage to structures from a blowout fire is application of water.


35 posted on 03/04/2011 6:03:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney

Thanks for the info and sharing your knowledge


36 posted on 03/04/2011 7:24:19 AM PST by dmet
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To: dmet

I’ve done the repair/replace engineering on petroleum and natural gas fires with far less fuel feeding the fire.

It is amazing how much damage can be done in a 4 hour burn. Steel structures that were coated with fire protection that now simply don’t exist.

(The fire protection material does work, the equipment or valving last long enough to get the shutdown procedures accomplished so the fire doesn’t continue to burn new sources of fuel.)


37 posted on 03/04/2011 8:06:53 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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