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Utah Considers Return to Gold, Silver Coins
FOX News ^ | March 03, 2011 | Stephen Clark

Posted on 03/03/2011 7:41:23 PM PST by STONEWALLS

It's been nearly 80 years since the U.S. stopped using gold coins as legal currency, and nearly 40 since the world abandoned the gold standard, but the precious metal could be making a comeback in the United States -- beginning in Utah.

The Utah House was to vote as early as Thursday on legislation that would recognize gold and silver coins issued by the federal government as legal currency in the state. The coins would not replace the current paper currency but would be used and accepted voluntarily as an alternative.

The legislation, which has 12 co-sponsors, would let Utahans pay their taxes with gold and also calls for a committee to study alternative currencies for the state. It would also exempt the sale of gold from the state capital gains tax.

The bill cleared a state legislative committee on Wednesday, the first of 11 similar bills in statehouses across the country to do so. If the bill clears the House, it would have to pass the Senate before the governor could sign it into law.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: economy; gold; silver
...my gut tells me that Obama won't permit this...the Dems take a dim view of those who try to elude their control...he'll declare some kind of 'emergency powers'to stop the hard money movement.
1 posted on 03/03/2011 7:41:28 PM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: STONEWALLS

The state whores will take anything!


2 posted on 03/03/2011 7:45:35 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: STONEWALLS

Why didn’t the states try to end the fed who caused this mess to begin with???


3 posted on 03/03/2011 7:47:42 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: STONEWALLS
Or, he will have the Fed, through JP Morgan, double down with massive naked short selling of gold on the Comex paper gold market to help cut off price rallies, increase price volatility, and shake out the weak-hand sellers. However, over the long term, this only delays gold's continuing demonstration that the dollar's value is sinking.

Currently the Fed is buying 70% of the massive amount of debt - Treasuries- that the US Treasury is issuing.

Who will buy that debt once the Federal Reserve stops buying with money created out of thin air, and at what price (interest rate)?

Not a pretty picture. Meanwhile, Congress has no will to cut the massive Federal deficit. The global, official Ponzi continues.

4 posted on 03/03/2011 7:55:45 PM PST by JustTheTruth (Sometimes the Truth hurts so much that the masses refuse to face or accept the obvious.)
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To: STONEWALLS
These flakes/idiots are about 78 years to late.
5 posted on 03/03/2011 8:00:36 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: STONEWALLS
The legislation, which has 12 co-sponsors, would let Utahans pay their taxes with gold

Somehow, the citizens will get screwed by this. I am guessing that the State of Utah will set the price for gold, and somehow, it will be well below market value.

If the state of Utah would let private commerce proceed using gold as the "barter currency", then I would be impressed that a statement was being made.

6 posted on 03/03/2011 8:10:20 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: mlocher

I have a silver dollar that has one ounce of silver. I hope that they don’t think I will use one of those to by a 16 oz coke at the local 7-11.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 8:12:24 PM PST by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: STONEWALLS

Excellent idea! My state — South Carolina — is considering similar legislation. They should pass it ASAP. This would give our States at least some stability as Washington still cannot and will not deal with the Federal fiscal crises....


8 posted on 03/03/2011 8:13:57 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: JustTheTruth
The global, official Ponzi continues.

If the politicians can't stop the spending, then the free market will. Sooner or later investors will want significantly more for their rates of return to offset the ever growing risk associated with US debt. The fact that the market still views US treasuries as safe investments is more a statement on the weakness of other currencies and alternatives and less of an endorsement of the US.

9 posted on 03/03/2011 8:14:37 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: STONEWALLS
Executive Order 6102 Requiring Gold Coin, Gold Bullion and Gold Certificates to Be Delivered to the Government.Following the privately held Federal Reserve Bank causing the Great Depression, in 1933, astonishingly FDR literally stole gold from citizens, ordering them to hand their gold to the privately held Federal Reserve Bank in exchange for pieces of paper . In issuing this Executive Order, FDR exceeded jurisdiction and committed high treason by assuming law making power exclusively limited to the legislature and he committee treason by violating the core tenants of legal tender mandated by the U.S. Constitution. During this era the Banksters, whom FDR worked for, took control of the U.S.A., literally implementing Socialism (Social Security), assuming control of media (FCC), control of private corporations and their stock/notes (SEC) and he implemented unconstitutional socialistic taxation through a private mob called the IRS.

Executive Order 6102
April 5th, 1933

BY VIRTUE Of the authority vested in me by Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended by Section 2 of the Act of March 9, 1933, entitled “An Act to provide relief in the existing national emergency in banking, and for other purposes,” in which amendatory Act Congress declared that a serious emergency exists, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do declare that said national emergency still continues to exist and pursuant to said section do hereby prohibit the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States by individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations and hereby prescribe the following regulations for carrying out the purposes of this order:

Section 1. For the purposes of this regulation, the term “hoarding” means the withdrawal and withholding of gold coin, gold bullion or gold certificates from the recognized and customary channels of trade. The term “person” means any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve Bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933, except the following:

(a) Such amount of gold as may be required for legitimate and customary use in industry, profession or art within a reasonable time, including gold prior to refining and stocks of gold in reasonable amounts for the usual trade requirements of owners mining and refining such gold.

(b) Gold coin and gold certificates in an amount not exceeding in the aggregate $100 belonging to any one person; and gold coins having a recognized special value to collectors. of rare and unusual coins.

(c) Gold coin and bullion earmarked or held in trust for a recognized foreign Government or foreign central bank or the Bank for International Settlements.

(d) Gold coin and bullion licensed for other proper transactions (not involving hoarding) including gold coin and bullion imported for reexport or held pending action on applications for export licenses.

Section 3. Until otherwise ordered any person becoming the owner of any gold coin, gold bullion, or gold certificates after April 28, 1933, shall, within three days after receipt thereof, deliver the same in the manner prescribed in Section 2; unless such gold coin, gold bullion or gold certificates are held for any of the purposes specified in paragraphs (a), (b), or (c) of Section 2; or unless such gold coin or gold bullion is held for purposes specified in paragraph (d) of Section 2 and the person holding it is, with respect to such gold coin or bullion, a licensee or applicant for license pending action thereon.

Section 4. Upon receipt of gold coin, gold bullion or gold certificates delivered to it in accordance with Sections 2 or 3, the Federal Reserve Bank or member bank will pay therefor an equivalent amount of any other form of coin or currency coined or issued under the laws of the United States.

Section 5. Member banks shall deliver all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates owned or received by them (other than as exempted under the provisions of Section 2) to the Federal Reserve Banks of their respective districts and receive credit or payment therefor.

Section 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, out of the sum made available to the President by Section 501 of the Act of March 9, 1933, will in all proper cases pay the reasonable costs of transportation of gold coin, gold bullion or gold certificates delivered to a member bank or Federal Reserve Bank in accordance with Section 2, 3, or 5 hereof, including the cost of insurance, protection, and such other incidental costs as may be necessary, upon production of satisfactory evidence of such costs. Voucher forms for this purpose may be procured from Federal Reserve Banks.

Section 7. In cases where the delivery of gold coin, gold bullion or gold certificates by the owners thereof within the time set forth above will involve extraordinary hardship or difficulty, the Secretary of the Treasury may, in his discretion, extend the time within which such delivery must be made. Applications for such extensions must be made in writing under oath, addressed to the Secretary of the Treasury and filed with a Federal Reserve Bank. Each application must state the date to which the extension is desired, the amount and location of the gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates in respect of which such application is made and the facts showing extension to be necessary to avoid extraordinary hardship or difficulty.

Section 8. The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized and empowered to issue such further regulations as he may deem necessary to carry out the purposes of this order and to issue licenses thereunder, through such officers or agencies as he may designate, including licenses permitting the Federal Reserve Banks and member banks of the Federal Reserve System, in return for an equivalent amount of other coin, currency or credit, to deliver, earmark or hold in trust gold coin and bullion to or for persons showing the need for the same for any of the purposes specified in paragraphs (a), (c) and (d) of Section 2 of these regulations.

Section 9. Whoever willfully violates any provision of this Executive Order or of these regulations or of any rule, regulation or license issued thereunder may be fined not more than $10,000, or, if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than ten years, or both; and any officer, director, or agent of any corporation who knowingly participates in any such violation may be punished by a like fine, imprisonment, or both. _______________________________________________________ The us government including state governments are a group of thieves who produce nothing and steal at the same time.

10 posted on 03/03/2011 8:15:30 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: patriot preacher
Your state is one of the biggest scam artist in the country.CAFR1 exposes your state bigtime!
11 posted on 03/03/2011 8:22:09 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: STONEWALLS

How do they reconcile the face value with spot price value?

Some company tried paying employees this way. Salaries were something like $40/week - paid in face value gold coin. Taxes were, in theory, negligible. In fact, the IRS had a problem with it.


12 posted on 03/03/2011 8:23:55 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: taxtruth
CAFR1 exposes your state bigtime!

Please explain further.

13 posted on 03/03/2011 8:32:41 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
cafr1.com.Read about the wealth of the state of SC owned by the state/con artist.
14 posted on 03/03/2011 8:38:58 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: STONEWALLS

bump for later


15 posted on 03/03/2011 9:13:38 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: STONEWALLS

Why would you pay the state with good money? They have to take the paper you’re holding, keep your gold & silver for private commerce.

Render unto Caesar and all that jazz.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 9:47:13 PM PST by cryptical (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: STONEWALLS

Why can’t the government peg the dollar to the value of the land it owns? Like the currency is backed by the value of the National Parks System?


17 posted on 03/03/2011 9:58:09 PM PST by mindburglar (I'm not "The Man" anymore. Stick it to someone else.)
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To: mindburglar
Why can’t the government peg the dollar to the value of the land it owns? Like the currency is backed by the value of the National Parks System?


I think that's been done all ready. Why would the government lock up all the country's natural resources through their myriad of regulations, taxes and any thing else to bind us down- hobble us. I'm sure that everything has been sold out from under us - on the hook, to cover all the losses - the US government debt.

just my 2 cents.(pre '82)
18 posted on 03/03/2011 11:35:27 PM PST by Studebaker Hawk (It's said these geeks are a dime-a-dozen. I'm looking for the man with the dimes. Freddy Blassie)
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To: taxtruth

Sorry, didn’t see anything at that link about South Carolina. Maybe you could explain further?


19 posted on 03/04/2011 6:49:18 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

South Carolina:
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr02/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr01/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr00/index.htm


20 posted on 03/04/2011 1:18:43 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

South Carolina:
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr02/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr01/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr00/index.htm


21 posted on 03/04/2011 1:18:43 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: taxtruth

I’m getting error messages for all three links.
Thanks.


22 posted on 03/04/2011 1:24:11 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: STONEWALLS
I would think that Gresham's Law* would neutralize the effect of this.

*That is bad currencies (like the FRN) drive out good. Good ones get hoarded.

23 posted on 03/04/2011 1:29:34 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Hu's your daddy)
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