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Opinion: Gunfight at the OK Sunday school class?
Associated Baptist Press ^ | 3 March, 2011 | Bill Leonard

Posted on 03/04/2011 4:02:35 AM PST by marktwain

(ABP) -- “It is no longer illegal to carry a gun to church.” Scott Lewis, a Texas community college student, made that point recently as a rationale for his support of pending legislation to allow college faculty, staff and students (above 21 years of age) to carry concealed weapons on campus. He apparently believes that if Texans can bring guns to Sunday school, they can surely take them to them to psych class.

While Texans debate the presence of guns at college (and well they should), the possibility of concealed weapons in church is a sharp reminder that many religious communities still have not confronted the pastoral, theological and spiritual realities of life in a country with the world’s highest concentration of personal firearms.

The recent shooting in Tucson that left six dead and 13 wounded including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords highlights the vulnerability of all Americans in public settings, church included. During the last few years a variety of congregations across a wide theological spectrum -- Mennonite, Lutheran, Baptist, Unitarian-Universalist and non-denominational -- have experienced shootings that brought death of persons gathered for worship.

Guns in church are certainly nothing new. Ross Phares’ 1971 text, Bible in Pocket, Gun in Hand, detailed life on the American frontier where “rowdies” would get “likkered up” and harass camp meeting preachers mercilessly, sometimes in life-threatening ways.

Where no formal “law and order” was present, frontier preachers sometimes toted weapons, more to discourage attacks than to actually return fire. Peter Cartwright, the 19th century Methodist circuit rider in Indiana, was known to carry a knife, and supposedly a gun, from revival to revival.

Baptists recall the 1926 murder trial of the “Texas Tornado,” J. Frank Norris, pastor of First Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, who used the gun kept in his desk to shoot to death D. E. Chipps, a longtime (and unarmed) critic. Norris was acquitted in a change of venue trial in Austin.

Today, wherever religious individuals may stand on questions of “gun control,” “gun rights,” or related legislation, the fact remains that the United States is a firearm-oriented culture where, according to the Center for Disease Control, some 30,000 persons die annually as a direct result of firearm-related incidents. For every person killed, two are wounded.

Thus religious communities can no longer act as if firearm attacks are a cultural anomaly. Rather, they must pursue new strategies that respond to the presence of gun-related violence throughout American society.

Persons of faith are clearly divided over “Second Amendment issues,” a volatile debate that continues unabated.

Many denominations, local congregations and religious coalitions are on record in support of firearm regulations.

One United Methodist resolution, for example, urges development of “advocacy groups … for the eventual reduction of the availability of guns in society with particular emphasis upon handguns, handgun ammunition, assault weapons,” and other automatic firearms.

Various urban alliances, some involving Christians, Jews and representatives of other religions, have united in response to particular “epidemics” of firearm violence in their respective communities.

Other religious individuals and communities firmly support gun rights as a necessary response to evil, insisting that concealed weapons, even in church, may protect against deranged shooters who wreak havoc on unprotected crowds.

Still others contend that the prospect of a gun battle in the house of God reflects a culture broken at its roots. What then to do?

Churches should be intentional about congregational security, whether formal or informal. In a firearm nation, safety, even in church, cannot be taken for granted. Many congregations already utilize security guards, cameras and other protection devices. Some keep medical professionals and trauma counselors on call. Every faith community should have a plan.

Congregations should seek legal counsel regarding insurance coverage and liability, another reality of the times.

Theological schools must intensify training in pastoral care and specialized ministry to individuals and families that experience firearm-related violence. Clinical Pastoral Education programs should give increased attention to grief therapy for persons in these peculiar circumstances.

Congregations should decide how best to deal with legislation that permits worshippers to carry concealed weapons. Will they accept the unseen presence of handguns at worship or recommend a “weapon free” worshipping environment? (A friend suggests that some services could be “concealed weapon friendly” while others would encourage checking guns in the narthex, but this is no laughing matter.)

Most importantly, what specific spiritual resources should communities of faith muster for life in a country with the world’s largest firearm concentration? In such an environment is it time for “a theology of firearms”?

There is no time to waste. If a 9 year old can be gunned down at a “democracy moment” held at “Safeway,” then everyone is in danger. Faith must strengthen persons to live with that reality, awaiting a day when Glocks are beaten into plowshares, and AK47s into pruning hooks.

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Bill J. Leonard is a professor of church history at the Wake Forest University School of Divinity.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; church; gun; mediot; opinion
The headline shows the bias in the source media. The writer tries to give some time to both sides, but it is clear from his basic assumptions that wants law abiding people to be disarmed.
1 posted on 03/04/2011 4:02:42 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I can only imagine the cow people would have if they found out that I brought a concealed weapon into my suburban D.C. church.

No, I have not done that. But I have this old, almost Catholic desire to lay down my arms when going into a church.

When I ushered Protestant Chapel at West Point, those of us with ceremonial swords would lay them at the altar before distributing the elements for Communion.

2 posted on 03/04/2011 4:08:09 AM PST by Lysandru
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To: marktwain
"the fact remains that the United States is a firearm-oriented culture where, according to the Center for Disease Control, some 30,000 persons die annually as a direct result of firearm-related incidents"

About 40,000 die in thier bathtubs every year. Should we get rid of those too? Does that make us a "bathtub" culture?

3 posted on 03/04/2011 4:13:57 AM PST by circlecity
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To: marktwain

the possibility of concealed weapons in church is a sharp reminder that many religious communities still have not confronted the pastoral, theological and spiritual realities of life in a country with the world’s highest concentration of personal firearms

The reality is that if you can defend yourself and others you can survive. If you depend on someone else to defend you then you are likely dead.
Many Churches understand this and many are filled with Veterans that understand our Nation is at war and under attack on many fronts and there is NEVER a good time to not be prepared.


4 posted on 03/04/2011 4:36:02 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: marktwain
At least one of Christ's Deciples was armed at the Last Supper. At least, we mas so presume since the Bible does not mention St. Peter going anyshere to get his sword prior to using it in the garden just after supper.

As Christ admonished buying a sword for defense, even at the expense of your cloak, he never said anything about not taking it to worship. I act accordingly.

5 posted on 03/04/2011 5:36:02 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: marktwain

For every person killed, two are wounded.


“There’s always more injured than killed in any GOOD accident” - George Carlin


6 posted on 03/04/2011 5:39:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain
This guy is just repeating the Brady propaganda. He sure sounds like a hoplophobe to me.

By the way, there are several at my church of 450 people who carry. I carry every Sunday. No way is some evildoer going to kill innocent worshipers on my watch.

7 posted on 03/04/2011 5:44:25 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: marktwain

8 posted on 03/04/2011 5:52:44 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: marktwain; Elsie

9 posted on 03/04/2011 6:04:03 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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To: circlecity

IIRC, of those 30,000, the majority are suicides, and a substantial part of the rest are scum killing scum with no net loss to society.
The actual number of innocent folks murdered are far, far less than many other causes, cars, bathtubs, etc.
When the numbers are actually analyzed, it becomes pretty obvious that “gun control” is about control, not about crime prevention.


10 posted on 03/04/2011 6:09:20 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: marktwain

The bad guy is already going to have a gun; its not like he cares about the law.
Wouldn’t be nice if one of the good guys had one, too?


11 posted on 03/04/2011 6:12:34 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Lysandru

LUKE 22

35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.


12 posted on 03/04/2011 6:40:32 AM PST by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: marktwain
Guns in church are certainly nothing new. Ross Phares’ 1971 text, Bible in Pocket, Gun in Hand, detailed life on the American frontier where “rowdies” would get “likkered up” and harass camp meeting preachers mercilessly, sometimes in life-threatening ways.

Yeah, now there's a perfect analogy.

13 posted on 03/04/2011 6:45:23 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: marktwain

Most people focus on arms possession at location X. They ignore the trip there, back, and locations Y and Z along the way.

I’ve been in churches which have been shot at. You might be safe inside, but being armed going to/from your car was a good idea.


14 posted on 03/04/2011 6:50:52 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: TXnMA

At that time, it was a requirement by law, that all men had to take their firearms to church. Afterward they did Militia drills.

When did men cow down?


15 posted on 03/04/2011 7:46:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: marktwain
As long as we are building our castles in the sky.........


Most importantly, what specific spiritual resources should communities of faith muster for life in a country with the world’s largest firearm concentration ___________? In such an environment is it time for “a theology of firearms___________”?

16 posted on 03/04/2011 11:18:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marktwain
... it is clear from his basic assumptions that wants law abiding people to be disarmed.

Not really; he wants EVERYONE to be disarmed.

How he is going to keep the NON-lawabiding disarmed is NEVER addressed.

17 posted on 03/04/2011 11:20:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lysandru
When I ushered Protestant Chapel at West Point, those of us with ceremonial swords would lay them at the altar before distributing the elements for Communion.

Matthew 10:34
"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

18 posted on 03/04/2011 11:22:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lysandru
When I ushered Protestant Chapel at West Point, those of us with ceremonial swords would lay them at the altar before distributing the elements for Communion.

Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"That is enough," he replied.

19 posted on 03/04/2011 11:24:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
AMEN!
20 posted on 03/04/2011 11:25:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Little Ray

CHOICE kills over a million yearly.

What ‘theological implications’ do we derive from THIS data?


21 posted on 03/04/2011 11:27:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

22 posted on 03/04/2011 7:41:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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