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Gates: Scouting Instills Principles, Integrity, Honor
American Forces Press Service ^ | John D. Banusiewicz

Posted on 03/04/2011 5:03:09 PM PST by SandRat

DALLAS, March 4, 2011 – Recalling his own experience as an Eagle Scout, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates last night praised scouting for instilling principles, integrity and honor in tomorrow’s leaders.

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Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates thanks former President George W. Bush after he is introduced during the Circle Ten Council Friends of Scouting dinner in Dallas, March 3, 2011. Gates, a former Eagle Scout, gave a keynote speech. DOD photo by Master Sgt. Jerry Morrison
  

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Gates was the keynote speaker at a Circle Ten Council Friends of Scouting dinner here.

The secretary told the audience of 1,500 that he could fit everything he owned in the back seat of his car when he went to Washington, D.C., at age 22 to work for the CIA. At that time, he said, earning his Eagle Scout badge was the only thing he had done that made him believe he could make a difference.

“It was the only thing I had done that distinguished me from so many other high school kids,” he said. “It was the first thing I had done that told me I might be a little different because I worked a little harder, was a little more determined, a little more goal-oriented, more persistent than others. Earning my Eagle gave me the self-confidence to believe, for the first time in my life, that I could achieve whatever I set my mind to.”

Much has changed, and not all of it for the better -- especially for young people -- in the 50 years since he was a Boy Scout, Gates said.

“One thing, however, that has remained the same over the years is the positive experience of scouting on boys and young men,” he added, “and the ability of so many of them to surprise us and inspire us with their determination, their character, their skills, and their moral and physical courage.”

Good homes and good parents produce good boys, but scouting tempers the steel, the secretary said.

“At a time when many American young people are turning into couch potatoes and, too often, much worse,” Gates told the audience, “scouting continues to challenge boys and young men, preparing them for leadership.”

One way scouting creates leaders, the secretary said, is by presenting new challenges that build confidence, self-reliance and the spirit of adventure. Another benefit, he added, is that Boy Scouts learn the importance of service to others.

“The scouting movement shows dramatically that service -- public service -- still beckons the best among us to do battle with complacency, neglect, ignorance and the emptiness of the spirit that are the common enemies of social peace and justice,” Gates said. “Adults like you who support scouting are generously investing in our collective future –- in [columnist] Walter Lippman’s words, you are ‘planting the trees we may never get to sit under.’”

Caring beyond one’s self, the secretary added, is fundamental not only to scouting, but also to democracy and to civilization itself.

Scouting also prepares boys and young men to live lives based on unchanging values such as trustworthiness, loyalty, honesty, kindness, and the respect and dignity every person deserves, he said.

“We in scouting believe that personal virtues -- self-reliance, self-control, honor, integrity and morality –- are absolute and timeless,” Gates said. “There are in too many places too few people with scouting values -- people who say, ‘On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty,’ and mean it.”

The secretary noted that scouting allows adults who are leaders to teach boys to be leaders.

“In challenging boys to learn skills, to master challenges, to strive to live up to high principles and moral values, to find the greater beauty in a life of cheerful service, to build strong character, scouting tempers them into strong leaders for tomorrow,” Gates said.

Former President George W. Bush introduced Gates to the audience. Gates’ service as defense secretary dates back to December 2006, during Bush’s administration.

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Robert M. Gates

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: donrumsfeld; honor; integrity; principles; scouting

1 posted on 03/04/2011 5:03:14 PM PST by SandRat
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; wisconsinconservative; AFPhys; ...

2 posted on 03/04/2011 5:04:44 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Is it too late for Gates to get his colleague Eric Holder enrolled in the Boy Scouts?


3 posted on 03/04/2011 5:04:49 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: SandRat

I can’t imagine what it would have been like to not have been involved in Boy Scouts.


4 posted on 03/04/2011 5:09:39 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

As a youth yes. As an adult leader no, but I doubt he could pass the adult leader traing requirements.


5 posted on 03/04/2011 5:10:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
As a youth yes. As an adult leader no, but I doubt he could pass the adult leader training requirements.
6 posted on 03/04/2011 5:10:49 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

The feminists, United Way and the libs want to destroy that !


7 posted on 03/04/2011 5:11:20 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: SandRat

As long as they aren’t being run by the UN’s World Scouting Organization!!


8 posted on 03/04/2011 5:13:05 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SandRat

9 posted on 03/04/2011 5:13:30 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: SandRat
Note: Graphic from last year...

Boy Scouts


10 posted on 03/04/2011 5:14:54 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: SandRat

Voila!
You nailed it!
The problem with Mr Gates.
He is still a boy scout loyal ,obedient, brave, clean ,reverent to Bush, Obama, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Whoever.
He never became a Man.


11 posted on 03/04/2011 5:16:48 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: SandRat

SandRat, love your posts.

I’d feel more buddy-buddy with Gates had he enlisted, earned the rank of PFC and at least run a patrol in enemy territory.

Semper Fi, SandRat.


12 posted on 03/04/2011 5:19:40 PM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: sergeantdave

Yes Sergeant!


13 posted on 03/04/2011 5:22:30 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: nkycincinnatikid; SandRat

I was just thinking that exposure to that Boy Scout honor and integrity might help Mr. Holder do a better job running the Justice Department.


14 posted on 03/04/2011 5:24:41 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It would be an anathema to his ego flowing in one ear and out the other without meeting any resistance.
15 posted on 03/04/2011 5:29:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

And the Scouts are still “don’t ask, don’t tell”. We should have found some other Eagle Scout to be Secretary of Defense, this one is clearly devolving.


16 posted on 03/04/2011 5:31:08 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: CORedneck

Ya, I’m surprised to see anyone in authority in our gov’t praise scouting. Because of their stand on homoseuxal leaders, the Boy Scouts have been condemned by the left.


17 posted on 03/04/2011 5:38:31 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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18 posted on 03/04/2011 5:38:48 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
EAGLE SCOUT...


19 posted on 03/04/2011 5:44:43 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: GeronL

Yes, Homosexuals founded the boy scouting units in Germany. It is why homosexuality became the “national vice” and, of course, united the SA Brownshirts which also embraced Hitler.

It is so great that the real men have not allowed homosexuals to infiltrate the Boy Scouts in America. I know a few have snuck in to sodomize the boys but for the most part their leaders have been very vigilant, indeed, and are fighting the culture that wants to normalize pederasty again like in ancient pagan cultures.

It is the only group I donate to.


20 posted on 03/04/2011 5:53:38 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: SandRat

Oh man... Keep this sick animal Gates away from the Scouts.
Next thing, he’ll want to sodomize the Boy Scouts the same way he supported sodomizing the US military.


21 posted on 03/04/2011 5:55:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I flew off half cocked as usual.
I was blessed, (or cursed) to be a Scout Masters second son.
By the time my older brother had made Eagle I was still only a Cub in my best friends moms Den, moonlighting with my Dads Scouts.
By then Dad was burnt out and so I guess was I.


22 posted on 03/04/2011 5:56:31 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: SandRat
Gates needs to pay a little closer attention to what he is doing as an adult.
He seems to have forgotten a few things.


23 posted on 03/04/2011 6:03:10 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: nkycincinnatikid
I flew off half cocked as usual.

Understandable. It's easy to see red whenever the name "Holder" appears.

Or maybe that's just see a red when we see Holder.

24 posted on 03/04/2011 6:03:54 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Thanks Kathy,

From a Troop ScoutMaster

Bullfrog


25 posted on 03/04/2011 6:23:48 PM PST by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: SandRat
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26 posted on 03/04/2011 6:45:56 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: Bullfrogg
From a Troop ScoutMasterT here is a question about the Boy Scouts that I have wondered about for some time. I wanted to join the Boy Scouts when I was a boy but I was afraid to ask anyone how you join. This was during FDR's first term and maybe things have changed. Do you have to be invited to join like being tapped to join a fraternity? Or do you fill out an application to join or be sponsored by a member? I bought a Boy Scout Manual at the corner drug store and learned to tie all the knots but the boys shunned me
27 posted on 03/04/2011 6:49:18 PM PST by tommix2
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To: SandRat

But he’s ok with fags running rampant through the Military openly? Gates is a joke and a bad one at that.


28 posted on 03/04/2011 7:02:18 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: tommix2

Boys don’t need to be sponsored to join Boy Scouts. They need to find a local troop and be of the right age. There is no invitation involved. A registration form is required, and there area annual dues which can vary a bit from troop to troop. Our troop charges about $40 annually, of which part of the dues payment stays with the troop and the rest goes to our district council. Working from memory now, I believe the boys have to be 11 or to have finished the 5th grade. Many come from Cub Scouts, and cross over about this time of year in their 5th grade school year. Cub Scouting is not a requirement, however.


29 posted on 03/04/2011 7:06:17 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

He also thinks its ok for the fags to serve openly in the Military.These people disgust me.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 7:13:13 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Think free or die

Thank you. I’ve been wondering for some time. As I remember the local troop was far away from where I lived and the boys in the troop all lived in that area.


31 posted on 03/04/2011 7:32:38 PM PST by tommix2
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To: tommix2

Distance makes it more difficult to participate in any organized activity like this. Scouting tends to be a family-oriented activity, and there can be a lot of connections among the youth and their families - school, neighborhood, worship communities, sports, etc. I’ll really miss our Scouting family when our boys finish and move on to college. We have spent a lot of time with some of these youngsters and their families over the years, and it’s a part of our lives that I’ll always treasure.


32 posted on 03/04/2011 7:51:33 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Well ya know... I don’t want to name a particular person (not on FR, but elsewhere in my life), but it seems you can lead a horse to water and he still won’t drink. It’s possible for someone to go through the Scouting program even to Eagle Scouts and he can still act like a bastard afterwards.


33 posted on 03/04/2011 7:59:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

I don’t ever recall Don Rumsfeld commenting on the issue...


34 posted on 03/04/2011 8:10:18 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

He was on with our local talkshow guy one morning last week.The Al Ganey show on am 550 in gainsville Georgia.It was a phone interview.His stock went in the shitter with me and I always admired him up till then.


35 posted on 03/04/2011 8:20:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SandRat

I wouldn’t trust anything Gates says about the Boy Scouts after his derisive comments to Marine Corps flag officers on how their rejection of homosexuality was simply an opinion and he proceeds to mandate tolerance of homosexuality throughout the military.

If he likes boy scouts, it is a strong indicator he’s a pervert looking to groom his future sexual immoralities and he’s running to his lust.


36 posted on 03/04/2011 8:29:17 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: savagesusie
Yes, Homosexuals founded the boy scouting units in Germany.

I respectfully disagree with that broad statement. For the last eleven years, my main role in Scouting has been in International Scouting.

Although the United States has a single national Scouting organization (Boy Scouts of America), this is not the norm in most countries.

In most countries, there will be separate Scouting organizations based on religion, adherence to early (Baden Powell) Scouting principles, labor unions, and other groups. Germany has over 150 different Scouting organizations.

Scouting in Germany started in 1909 but was abolished in the 1930s in favor of the Hitler Youth. As was the case with Japan, the Boy Scouts of America helped start Scouting again in Germany after WWII.

It's simply not correct to say that "homosexuals founded the boy scouting units in Germany."

Do some, or most, Scouting organizations in Germany permit homosexual leaders? Yes. Most Scouting organizations throughout the world, other than the U.S. and the Middle East, permit homosexual leaders. Scouting in the U.S. differs from the international norm in other ways. For example, Scouting is coed throughout the world, with the exception of the U.S., primarily Moslem countries, and a few other places.

37 posted on 03/05/2011 10:13:22 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: GeronL
As long as they aren’t being run by the UN’s World Scouting Organization!!

The United Nations doesn't run the World Scout Organization.

38 posted on 03/05/2011 10:32:36 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: GeronL
As long as they aren’t being run by the UN’s World Scouting Organization!!

The United Nations doesn't run the World Scout Organization.

39 posted on 03/05/2011 10:32:36 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Direct quote from Pink Swastika—a well documented book that is trying to be hid by the homosexual fascists....the Hidden Hitler is another book that is being “hid” and defamed by the MSM. The Truth must NEVER be heard.

The extended-arm “Sieg Heil” salute, for example, was a ritual of the Wandervoegel (“Wandering Birds” or “Rovers”), a male youth society which became the German equivalent of the Boy Scouts. The Wandervoegel was started in the late 1800s by a group of homosexual teenagers. Its first adult leader, Karl Fischer, called himself “der Fuehrer” (“the Leader”) (Koch:25f). Hans Blueher, a homosexual Nazi philosopher and important early member of the Wandervoegel, incited a sensation in 1912 with publication of The German Wandervoegel Movement as an Erotic Phenomenon, which told how the movement had become one in which young boys could be introduced into the homosexual lifestyle (Rector:39f). The Wandervoegel and other youth organizations were later merged into the Hitler Youth (which itself became known among the populace as the “Homo Youth” because of rampant homosexuality. - Rector:52).


40 posted on 03/05/2011 12:06:42 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Scoutmaster

Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE the Boy Scouts of America organization because it was founded under God (the Christian paradigm) unlike in other nations who rejected the Judeo/Christian ethic.

The Socialists want no sexual restraint and promote all perversion to destroy the family unit. That is why they want to include girls (deny God’s design is different between boys and girls so that they can redesign human nature into their obscene way which defies Natural Law).

Their inclusion of homosexuals and girls is also to destroy the latency period of boys....where they love to just hang out with boys—they want to make it a “gay” thing and label young boys who are doing what is natural for emotionally healthy development and pervert it by eliminating that joy and conditioning young minds into believing that they are “gay” because they have so much joy among members of their own sex.

It is why they want sex education in K....to pervert the minds of the young children and label them during the latency period when it is necessary for members of the same sex to identity with each other—to form a strong sexual identity. Examples of normal men are paramount to this development and homosexual men know to seduce boys, the earlier you start conditioning them into thinking certain abnormal behavior is normal the better and least resistance they have for choosing that lifestyle. It is a learned and is chosen behavior.

That is why Christianity is so loathed by Marxists....God decides right and wrong, and they are trying to erase God so they can dictate what is good and evil.


41 posted on 03/05/2011 12:22:13 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie
The extended-arm “Sieg Heil” salute, for example, was a ritual of the Wandervoegel (“Wandering Birds” or “Rovers”), a male youth society which became the German equivalent of the Boy Scouts.

savagesusie, the author of the Pink Swastika no doubt has many excellent facts and points to make. But you'll notice that this group became the "equivalent' of the Boy Scouts. While this group became the equivalent, Dr. Alexander Lion started the first real German Boy Scouts in 1909, using a translated copy of Baden-Powel's "Scouting for Boys", in the mad rush of countries to adopt the Baden-Powel Scouting program (the USA did in 1910).

After WWI, the Wandervoegel (which, by then, emphasized freedom, self-responsibility, hiking, adventure - and Germany's Teutonic roots), the German Scouting movement, and the Bündische Jugend (another German youth movement), cooperated together as the German Youth Movement, but stayed three separate groups.

That's why the author says that the Wandervoegel was among among the "other youth organizations" that the author mentions as being merged into the Hitler Youth were the different Scout organizations of Germany that began to spring up after Dr. Lion started the German Scouting movement.

Scouting in Germany was started by Dr. Lion; Wandervoegel may have been started by homosexual fascists. The two organizations are not the same.

42 posted on 03/06/2011 4:05:57 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: savagesusie
I'm pressed for time at the moment, but I'll write later and explain the benefits I've seen from coed Scouting. Currently, the Boy Scouts of American have the Venturing Program, which is co-ed from ages 14-21. Internationally, the program is coed virtually everywhere except the USA and Muslim countries.

I'll write later about my experiences with Venturing, and as a Scoutmaster viewing International Scouting and serving as a Scoutmaster of International Troops.

Some quick questions: If your church has a youth group, is is coed, or segregated by sex? IF your church youth group goes on retreats or choir tours, are the retreats/tours coed or segregated by sex?

43 posted on 03/06/2011 4:15:28 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Scoutmaster

I think in the latency period it is important to have all boy groups.....I raised 4 boys and one girl and majored in Child Development for years and see the need between the ages of 4 to 12 to have all boy or all girl groups. After that, I think it is beneficial for some classes to be all boy and all girl (that has been documented on the improvement in grades and concentration) BUT yet, it is imperative that there be places for boys and girls to do things together. Absolutely. Coed groups create unity of the sexes and they learn about each other.

In this society where we are forcing girls into boy activities and visa versa===it is Marxian ideology that there is no biological difference which is a lie—Boys are suffering in all aspects even education—large part of no father figure. But feminization happens if there are no exclusively boy activities. They need to have comaraderie with other boys in the latency period and feel accepted and admired by boys (and men) to develop a healthy male sexual identity. All boys soccer team-—all boys something!

Now, I do NOT say to segregate boys from girls in those ages. THey must interact and not be like Afghanistan or some unnatural situation which keeps them from any interaction. That creates abnormalties also. If you don’t know, Afghanis are homosexual and hate women and the boys dream about having a stable of boys to sodomize when they grow up....it is what is done to them—it is a learned behavior. I was not for all boys and all girls schools but I think that there can be classes where they are separated according to sex. In fact, I think it acknowledges God’s design. We need to acknowledge the difference between boys and girls for sexual identities. Today the androginous society is causing confusion in young children. There is no clear dfferences in the sexes like 60 years ago....and it is feminizing men....Cicero wrote about it in the destruction of the Roman Republic....the effects of a feminized society—it destroyed Rome. But then our destruction is what cultural Marxist ideology (men and women are the same) is all about—to make them interchangeable and destroy the family unit where men and women have no problem going against nature.

Schools are getting rid of the words spouse and wife and husbands for decades now==(partners!!!!!!!!)...Marxian idea to destroy the family unit—destroy the natural “roles” assigned to man and woman. Make the Bible hate speech. Go against nature so they can redesign and play god. Marx hates biology attachments and wants them destroyed. They create individualism and self suffieciency. Happiness in man as our Founders and all men for thousands of years have understood, is that if you go against natural law and God’s laws you will never be happy.

Catholic schools always separated the boys and girls when they discussed sex. That is for the dignity and respect of modesty of the women. It was much more successful than what is happening now. Schools have removed morality from the sex act, along with mystery and beauty and respect which the Catholic schools used to give it, and have made it nothing more than a commodity. (Marxian we are all animals) You see that idea in everything now.

Got to go to church! Will love to discuss further. I have read extensively on this topic and of course, worked with children and in the classroom for 25 years as a volunteer.


44 posted on 03/06/2011 9:03:53 AM PST by savagesusie
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