Posted on 03/06/2011 1:34:02 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So what your saying, your more knowledgeable than the opinions of the founders.
Nice to know we have someone who knows more than what the founders felt.
Nice to know we have someone who knows more than what the founders felt.
Fail. I'll give you one more try.
Produce the relevant Article, Section, and Clause of the US Constitution which gives the states the authority to coin money (as you've asserted), or concede the argument.
“.make anything but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...”
They may not coin money..which the founders said was worthless money..like paper.
But they may coin-gold and silver-a tender-in payment-of debts.
End of story. Until you can prove to me that the founders accepted the idea anything other than Gold and Silver, legal tender for the payments of debt, your argument is a loss.
This note, is legal tender for all debts, public or private, and is redeemable in lawful money at the US Treasury or any Federal Reserve Bank.
You remember that, or are you to young? If that note wasnt lawful money, then what was? Gold and Silver was. And since the US Federal government is printing unlawful money, the states must exercise their authority to overturn the US Federal governments disobeying of the constitution and coin their own lawful money.
They may not coin money..which the founders said was worthless money..like paper.
You're simply reading the above passage from the Constitution wrong. The operative word there, is "make".
You're reading it to mean "produce", which is not what the word means in that sentence. In that sentence, the word, "make" means "cause, or cause to be executed", or, "by means of", or, "to impart authority or quality to".
In other words, the only thing that states were given the authority to use as legal tender in the payment of debts was gold and silver coin, which ONLY the US Congress was given the authority to produce and regulate.
But they may coin-gold and silver-a tender-in payment-of debts.
No, they may NOT coin gold and silver coin for any purpose. That is spelled out in the clause preceding that one.
What they CAN do, is ONLY "make" gold and silver coin the legal tender for the payment of debts. They do not have the authority to "make" any other medium a legal tender for the payment of debts.
Enjoy your paper money.
Each state can coin its own money as long as it is gold and silver. And there isnt a GD thing you or your federal government can do about it.
Your no Texan.
Friend, I don't know what more I can do to help you understand this, but the Constitution is clear. The states are barred from producing their own gold and silver coin.
The Constitution further stipulates that they are only allowed to use gold and silver coin as legal tender in the payment of debts. Coin that ONLY the US Congress is authorized to produce and regulate.
I don't want to invalidate your comprehension of basic English grammar and vocabulary, but if you're reading the US Constitution and coming to some other conclusion, then that's the problem.
Your no Texan.
So. You choose to close with an ad hominem and an incorrect word usage. It appears that you've just made my case.
The only one with no comprehension is your illegitimate reading of the document.
Furthermore, the word “make” means produce. Furthermore, the states created the federal government and so the states have the ultimate authority over it and not the other way round as you seem to think.
I suggest you go back to school and learn a little more since Texas schools have failed you miserably-you have no idea of the constitution as you so claim.
You make my case.
Look it up, genius. The word has more than one meaning. Using the single definition with which you're familiar, it's no wonder that you've mis-interpreted the meaning of that clause of the Constitution.
And you say that the schools have failed me? LOL That's rich.
Tell ya what, smartypants. Put that clause of the Constitution into a vanity post, and open the interpretation up to all Freepers. See what happens.
Before you do that, you might just want to look up the word, "make" in a standard English dictionary, and save yourself the humiliation.
Lordy, I have no idea!
Blah Blah blah.
When you actually have some factual evidence instead of self importance Let me know. Let me know when you dig up what the founders stated/recorded intentions were and then come back and talk. Untill then your just another libtard trying to be somebody.
Stupid.
I take the time to patiently lay out the elementary facts which prove my contention, and that's your response?
Look, friend. It's not my intention here to 'make' you wrong (oops - there's that word again). I'm merely pointing out that you have a simple misunderstanding of the grammar and word usage in that one particular passage of the Constitution.
It's simply an error. You needn't be so embarrassed by it, and there's no need to attack me over it.
I think we could do a lot of things in Texas if we had the guts. Secession comes to mind.
Simple fact.
Since gold and silver is the only legal tender, the States can coin their own. And “Make”-produce, it.
You quote a dictionary that is out of date with the dictionary of the time the constitution was ratified.
The Congress sets the value. On that I would agree. But since the Federal government has disobeyed the constitution, then the states have the constitutional authority to MAKE their own currency..all they have to do is pass legal tender laws in each state.
If you persist in your thinking, then you dont obey the constitution either and is as guilty or more so than the federal government.
BTW. Much as I hate to admit it, The founders meant that the bill of rights pertained ONLY to the Federal Government.
Read up on that one.
Wrong. Article I, Section 10 clearly states:
"No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money...."
You quote a dictionary that is out of date with the dictionary of the time the constitution was ratified.
Wrong again. I gave you a simple definition of the word, 'make' that has been in standard English usage since time immemorial. Here is the passage from Section 10 that you're misinterpreting:
"...make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts..."
Read that sentence fragment carefully. It does not say that the states should not make (produce) anything but gold and silver coins for the payment of debts. It says that the states shall not make (assign official value; sanction; authorize) anything but gold and silver coins as legal TENDER for the purpose of paying debts.
You're using the wrong definition of the word 'make' in your interpretation of the second part of that passage.
Section 10 begins with the words, "No state shall..." It's apparent from the wording in the beginning part of Section 10 that the states are barred from coining their own money. It makes no sense that the Framers would turn around and reverse themselves in the very same Section.
As far as whether or not the states should be allowed to coin their own money - that's what the Continental Congress tried to solve by writing the rules into Section 10. The country needed a uniform currency for the financial well-being and cohesion of the whole.
It would have been destructive to the ends of creating a unified nation, for every state to have its own currency with non-uniform values. The states willingly gave over that part of their sovereign rights for the greater good of the new republic.
I also believe that the states are superior to the federal government, and that the federal government was always intended to be a servant of The People and the states. Like everyone here, I recognize that our system of government, as practiced today, is completely inverted, and needs to be corrected.
make [] wv/t2 gearwian1 construct.
gearwian1 [] wv/t2 to equip, prepare, procure, facilitate, do, make ready; construct, erect, make; procure, supply; clothe, adorn, put on; grant;
Seriously, friend. Go back to the dictionary and note that there are MANY definitions for that word (including the one I just used above).
If my last post to you didn't fully explain the simple grammatical construction of Section 10 to you, then I don't know what can.
Later...
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