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Wisconsin Democrats May Return Soon
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/6/11 | KRIS MAHER and AMY MERRICK

Posted on 03/06/2011 5:29:34 PM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe

The leader of the 14 Wisconsin Senate Democrats who left the state last month to block legislation that would curb public-employee union rights said the senators plan to return "in the relatively near future," because negotiations with the governor have failed.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: fleebaggers; publicsectorunions; walker; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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In defeat, they declare victory. Typical 'Rats...

Sorry if this is a dupe - did a search and didn't see it anywhere, but I am surprised it was not previously posted.

1 posted on 03/06/2011 5:29:38 PM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

They haven’t been defeated yet. I’ll wait for a vote.


2 posted on 03/06/2011 5:30:57 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

So, the Wall Street Journal can find these dweebs to interview but the Wisconsin State Troopers can’t... interesting.


3 posted on 03/06/2011 5:31:50 PM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: saganite

They must have turned 3 or 4 GOP senators.


4 posted on 03/06/2011 5:32:45 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Is that what Democrats call what they’ve been doing, negotiations? And here I thought it was rabble-rousing.


5 posted on 03/06/2011 5:35:08 PM PST by pallis
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

“...because negotiations with the governor have failed.”

If they were interested in negotiations they would have been in their chamber seats. Only a fool would negotiate with a coward hiding in the closet!!!


6 posted on 03/06/2011 5:37:28 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Oh please everyone.

They are going to have to return before 30 days are up because that is when the Gov can declare their seats vacant & hold new elections.
It would be even more pathetic if they all came back on the 29th day.


7 posted on 03/06/2011 5:37:40 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: tennmountainman

I doubt it but they probably think at this point they have public opinion on their side what with all the demonstrations etc. They will send in a sacrificial Dem to make up a quorum and let the vote go forward with the plan to use it as a club to beat the Republicans over the head. We’ll see if it works.


8 posted on 03/06/2011 5:38:13 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: elpadre

Only a fool would negotiate with a coward hiding in the closet!!!

Remember, we are talking about republicans....sad to say.


9 posted on 03/06/2011 5:40:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bill1952; Diana in Wisconsin
They are going to have to return before 30 days are up because that is when the Gov can declare their seats vacant & hold new elections.

I'm curious about that. I know it's 30 days but is is it 30 days of missed Senate sessions or 30 days from the time they left the state? Also, are you sure that it's the governor and not the Senate who declares their seats vacant?

10 posted on 03/06/2011 5:42:40 PM PST by Jean S
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To: saganite

The Ohio GOP senate only passed it by 1 vote. 5 or 6 GOP senators voted no. I would not rule out the possibility that it will be close.


11 posted on 03/06/2011 5:43:11 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tet68

All of the WI Senate Republicans are firmly behind Walker. There’s no Arlen Specters there.


12 posted on 03/06/2011 5:45:17 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Green Bay Packers: 13-time NFL Champions including 4 Super Bowls)
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To: tennmountainman

If enough Wisconsin Republicans voted against the Governor it would be a huge defeat for him.

Another poster noted that the Governor could declare the Dem seats open if they were absent more than 30 days. First I’ve heard of that but that presents a reasonable explanation for their return.


13 posted on 03/06/2011 5:46:21 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: tennmountainman

I don’t think they have turned any GOP senators. There was one wobbly one, Schultz, but the rest have become so incensed at the Dems leaving the state, that they won’t budge. Last I heard, Schultz had even agreed not to offer his amendment to limit the ending of collusive bargaining to 2013. It was also reported that he wouldn’t vote against the bill either. Schultz is trying to save himself from a recall. But, if he screws up this bill, he will face a challenge from his right.


14 posted on 03/06/2011 5:46:33 PM PST by chickadee
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To: hattend

Crossing the state line puts a trooper out of his jurisdiction, and thus beyond the scope of his or her authority.


15 posted on 03/06/2011 5:48:45 PM PST by brewcrew (Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. --John Wayne)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

....all but Dale Schultz, (R(ino)-Richland Center)


16 posted on 03/06/2011 5:49:00 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good, perhaps it will set an example for the others.


17 posted on 03/06/2011 5:50:22 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: chickadee

Glad to hear that—that was my worry.


18 posted on 03/06/2011 5:50:34 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

I am sure they don’t want to arrested and be recalled so they have come back. They don’t make any sense though saying they are coming back because negotiations failed. They had plenty of time to negotiate before they ran and since they were gone there was nothing left to negotiate. I know walker still tried to talk to them and hammer a deal, but it was for them to return. And now they are returning because negotiations failed? Makes no sense other than fearing for their seats.


19 posted on 03/06/2011 5:50:42 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If this truly is a solid block of unapologetic, conservative Republicans, I’ll seriously consider moving to that state.


20 posted on 03/06/2011 5:51:12 PM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Correction: I am sure they don’t want to be arrested and be recalled so they have to come back.


21 posted on 03/06/2011 5:51:45 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: MediaMole
Schultz won't cave, trust me. These Republicans are completely behind Walker.

What Walker and the GOP should have done, however, was pass non-budget bills. Things like Voter ID, environmental laws, and repealing the state's smoking ban should have been passed.

22 posted on 03/06/2011 5:52:16 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Green Bay Packers: 13-time NFL Champions including 4 Super Bowls)
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To: fwdude
If this truly is a solid block of unapologetic, conservative Republicans, I’ll seriously consider moving to that state.

You should. Once Walker passes this bill, it'll limit the power of the unions and Democrats.

Plus our two football teams kick ass!

23 posted on 03/06/2011 5:53:55 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Green Bay Packers: 13-time NFL Champions including 4 Super Bowls)
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To: bill1952
They are going to have to return before 30 days are up because that is when the Gov can declare their seats vacant & hold new elections.

And what happens if they return, pick up their checks, and run away again for another 29 days? Are the Republicans going to chain them to their Senate desks? Perhaps this is the theater they intend to partake in?

If they return and run again, the Repubs should take the gloves off and just pass Right to Work.

24 posted on 03/06/2011 5:54:31 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just hide and watch. The GOP has caved in....as usual. Gutless and pitiful.


25 posted on 03/06/2011 5:55:13 PM PST by baiamonte
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To: baiamonte
The GOP has caved in....as usual.

No they haven't, at least not in Wisconsin. Don't post that crap unless you can back it up.

26 posted on 03/06/2011 5:58:48 PM PST by Jean S
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To: tennmountainman

No they haven’t. That’s why they’re saying they will return soon. they haven’t been able to break ANY of them.


27 posted on 03/06/2011 5:58:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: baiamonte

Dude, I live here and have followed this fight since it began. Since the Rats fled, there is NO compromise or deal in the works. Walker will get his bill passed and that’ll be the beginning of the end of both the unions and the Democrats in Wisconsin.


28 posted on 03/06/2011 5:59:46 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Green Bay Packers: 13-time NFL Champions including 4 Super Bowls)
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To: tennmountainman

Did you read the full article? Apparently the RATS now feel it will work to their benefit to let the bill pass.

I am not making this up.


29 posted on 03/06/2011 5:59:46 PM PST by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: bill1952

Where did you find that? I thought there might be some time limit but I hadn’t found that yet. If you can point me to where that is I’d appreciate it.


30 posted on 03/06/2011 6:00:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tennmountainman
They must have turned 3 or 4 GOP senators.

No, they haven't. Were are you getting your information?

31 posted on 03/06/2011 6:00:53 PM PST by Jean S
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To: tennmountainman
They must have turned 3 or 4 GOP senators.

If Gov. Walker and the Pubbies were really smart, they would make the Dems think they had enough Republican senators ready to cave just to get them to come back.

32 posted on 03/06/2011 6:01:15 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the first dumbass Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Jean S

I would guess the Senate Majority leader declares the seats vacant, and then requests the governor to issue writs for special elections. the governor needs to issue the writs.


33 posted on 03/06/2011 6:01:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think they kept the law together, to muddy the water - so to deny the DEM talking points.


34 posted on 03/06/2011 6:01:46 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
In Ohio, John Kasich had all this stuff passed without any fuss or bother. In Indiana, Gov. Daniels passed this stuff about three years ago and the savings have already been extraordinary.

The next big fight is in New Jersey, where Gov. Christie is trying the same thing.

35 posted on 03/06/2011 6:01:55 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: PapaBear3625
And what happens if they return, pick up their checks, and run away again for another 29 days? Are the Republicans going to chain them to their Senate desks?

They are already guilty of contempt and subject to a $100/day fine while they are away from their job.

Upon their return, they can be held by the state police.

36 posted on 03/06/2011 6:02:16 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Secret Agent Man

come back and do their paid jobs. obama said we won u lost get over it. the shoes on the other foot and they dont like it


37 posted on 03/06/2011 6:02:20 PM PST by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: PapaBear3625
And what happens if they return, pick up their checks, and run away again for another 29 days? Are the Republicans going to chain them to their Senate desks?

They are already guilty of contempt and subject to a $100/day fine while they are away from their job.

Upon their return, they can be held by the state police.

38 posted on 03/06/2011 6:02:38 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: tet68
"Only a fool would negotiate with a coward hiding in the closet!!!"

Yeah, look where it got R Kelly....


39 posted on 03/06/2011 6:03:06 PM PST by Hunton Peck (The second rule of leftism: When caught lying, lie louder.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I can’t believe they didn’t do that. It would have been a perfect chance to play the game the Dems wanted to play.


40 posted on 03/06/2011 6:04:22 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: Secret Agent Man

come back and do their paid jobs. obama said we won u lost get over it. the shoes on the other foot and they dont like it


41 posted on 03/06/2011 6:05:23 PM PST by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Thanks, than makes sense.


42 posted on 03/06/2011 6:06:10 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Whatever happened to that Friday deadline for sending out some 12,000 “layoff” notices?


43 posted on 03/06/2011 6:14:51 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

44 posted on 03/06/2011 6:15:20 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Jean S

“...who declares their seats vacant? “

That would be ME! I declare them VACANT. Not only VACANT but VACUOUS!

Voting starts tomorrow at 8am. :)


45 posted on 03/06/2011 6:19:23 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think they are walking a careful line against doing anything that might invite a court challenge (on process) until we see that Supreme Court Justice David Prosser is safely reelected.


46 posted on 03/06/2011 6:20:49 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Out of work WI Public Employee???? THANK A TEACHER!! Or better yet - HUG A THUG!)
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To: bill1952
They are going to have to return before 30 days are up because that is when the Gov can declare their seats vacant & hold new elections.

Do you have a link to support that statement?

Much appreciated...
47 posted on 03/06/2011 6:22:05 PM PST by MV=PY
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To: Roccus
Whatever happened to that Friday deadline for sending out some 12,000 “layoff” notices?

I don't know where you get the 12,000 number. Walker sent out a notice for 1500 layoffs Friday as he said he would. Local governments have sent out many, many more notices. Maybe those add up to 12,000.

48 posted on 03/06/2011 6:24:47 PM PST by Jean S
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To: bill1952
It would be even more pathetic if they all came back on the 29th day.

Block the roads to the Capital. Refuse them entry into the State. Anything to keep them out.

49 posted on 03/06/2011 6:25:42 PM PST by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Dude, I live here and have followed this fight since it began. Since the Rats fled, there is NO compromise or deal in the works. Walker will get his bill passed and that’ll be the beginning of the end of both the unions and the Democrats in Wisconsin.

There will be no more automatic union dues collection by the state of Wisconsin. Where the money is handed over to union bosses to spend on Democrats. It is total BS that any government should be a union dues collector and that the dues are compulsory. Maybe some freepers don't know that the union dues are deducted from the Gov't workers paycheck before he ever sees it

Without teachers and other Gov't workers being forced to pay union dues (part of collective bargaining agreements) the big money pot dries up. I predict only 33% of teachers will pay voluntary union dues  

50 posted on 03/06/2011 6:29:07 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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