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Japan halts Pfizer, Sanofi vaccines after four die
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Posted on 03/07/2011 4:10:57 AM PST by nuconvert

TOKYO (Reuters) – Japan's health ministry has halted the use of vaccines made by Pfizer Inc and Sanofi-Aventis SA to prevent meningitis and pneumonia following the deaths of four children.

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Three of the children that died in Japan were administered Prevenar together with ActHIB. In addition, three of the children also received a mixed vaccine against diphtheria, whooping cough and tetanus on the same day they received the other vaccines.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: japan; medicine; vaccines
Yikes. That's a lot of vaccines for a small body to handle in one day.
1 posted on 03/07/2011 4:11:00 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

That is indeed a lot of vaccine in one day. Don’t they pay doctors to think about things like that?


2 posted on 03/07/2011 4:13:35 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: nuconvert
Yes, but it is NOT the fault of the vaccines. Vaccines are universally safe, and to say anything different is unAmerican and will bring the NHS down on you with all four feet! s/off
3 posted on 03/07/2011 4:13:38 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I understand your comment, and the vaccines separately may very well have been safe.
But giving all of these at once sounds foolish.


4 posted on 03/07/2011 4:16:55 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Oh, come on. My mother had polio back in the days of the epidemic. She made very sure that we all got lined up for all vaccinations available at the time. (I can remember what the syringes looked like.) I had 3 boys and a girl. Every one of them got all of their vaccinations over the years of their childhood-- no problems.

I'm not saying every vaccine is safe, but it's difficult to understand why a person would badmouth them. How many millions of people are alive and healthy because of them?

5 posted on 03/07/2011 4:18:37 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

Guess not. Dr’s are told that each vaccine is safe, so they figure it shouldn’t be a problem to give a bunch at once.

Personally, I wouldn’t allow that many on myself.


6 posted on 03/07/2011 4:19:29 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Clara Lou

The vaccines your kids received and those which children are given today are not the same. Children today are receiving almost double the vaccines at younger ages.


7 posted on 03/07/2011 4:23:53 AM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: Madam Theophilus

I forgot to add - one other significant difference is that in the older generations children were outside every day and obtaining sufficient Vitamin D, which supports immunity. Children today are almost all deficient in D due to the fears of skin cancer and the fact that sun blocks are used whenever anyone goes outside.


8 posted on 03/07/2011 4:26:57 AM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: Clara Lou

Nobody is badmouthing vaccines in general. It’s just that pumping so much foreign material into a tiny child all at once is unnecessary and possibly dangerous.

All my children got their vaccinations too, on time, but there were far fewer vaccinations required for them.

And my dad and 2 aunts had polio before there was any treatment for the disease and lived with the results (stunted limbs) the rest of their lives.

And exactly when do you think the polio epidemic occurred? My relatives were sickened in the 1890s and in 1913. In the 1950s, Milwaukee recommended building “polio fences” — fencing off your backyard so that children did not mingle. Not all ideas promoted for your health are sound.


9 posted on 03/07/2011 4:28:21 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Clara Lou

“Don’t they pay doctors to think about things like that?”

They do little or any research for groups of vaccines, just certify a single vaccine then throw it in the batch. To my knowledge there are no studies about groups of vaccines upon the health of a child.

The well being of many outweighs the well being of a few. It’s the classic Faustian contract of health professionals. If they didn’t follow it the little ‘disease resevoirs’ would inflict cholera, small pox, polio, diptheria and all the rest upon us. Why it would be the 19th century all over agin!!!

< /s >


10 posted on 03/07/2011 4:31:29 AM PST by Justa
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To: Madam Theophilus

Children years ago used to get about a dozen vaccines.

Now they may get as many as thirty—and these are not spread
out over time.

That’s likely too many all at once.

Vaccines, like everything else, may need to be administered in moderation.


11 posted on 03/07/2011 4:31:52 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: nuconvert

The article says nothing about what killed the children. All we know is that they died shortly after receiving the vaccines. Did they all die of the same cause, or of different causes? The workings of chance say that there is a certain proportion of individuals who will die immediately after receiving a vaccine, although the death is unrelated. Furthermore, unusual events may be clustered in such a way as to make them look related when they really aren’t.

Correlation =/= causation.

There’s no reason to jump to conclusions here.


12 posted on 03/07/2011 4:33:47 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I’m not jumping to conclusions.
The deaths may turn out to have nothing do with the combination of vaccines, but I still think it’s a lot for a little body to handle & not something I’d do to myself.


13 posted on 03/07/2011 4:56:26 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Madam Theophilus
Not just kids, any MD that actually checks VD levels finds about 85% of his patients are deficient. The further away from the equator you are the higher the probably your deficient.
14 posted on 03/07/2011 5:09:50 AM PST by waynesa98
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To: Madam Theophilus
Not just kids, any MD that actually checks VD levels finds about 85% of his patients are deficient. The further away from the equator you are the higher the probably your deficient.
15 posted on 03/07/2011 5:09:50 AM PST by waynesa98
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To: nuconvert

bfl


16 posted on 03/07/2011 5:15:53 AM PST by Marmolade
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To: nuconvert

Vaccine are generally safe...but a reasonable question to ask is:

Is earlier (than they used to be given) timing regime and administration of groups of vaccines used because that regime is KNOWN to be optimum for the child’s immune system OR... is it used because of convenient as per offcie visits and compliance?


17 posted on 03/07/2011 5:17:19 AM PST by rod1
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To: Clara Lou
FWIW, I think this is less about efficacy and safety than it is informed consent. And whether or not vaccine manufacturers, physicians, and the government are doing what they need to do in order to ensure that informed consent is possible.
18 posted on 03/07/2011 5:19:53 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Clara Lou

The issue is that few people alive today in developed countries have seen the horrors of infectious diseases. So, when certain people (with their own motives) start bad-mouthing vaccines, they can truthfully point out the 1 in a million (or whatever) chance of an adverse reaction leading to death, while omitting that without the vaccine, the disease it prevents has a 1 in 3 chance of causing death.

I read recently that infectious disease still causes over 50% of all deaths worldwide. We’re just too insulated from that reality.


19 posted on 03/07/2011 5:54:50 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Justa
The well being of many outweighs the well being of a few. It’s the classic Faustian contract of health professionals. If they didn’t follow it the little ‘disease resevoirs’ would inflict cholera, small pox, polio, diptheria and all the rest upon us. Why it would be the 19th century all over agin!!!

I realize you put the sarc tag at the end, but you're more correct than you maybe realize on this. One of the reasons that schools insist on vaccines for all of the students is that studies have established that there is a certain minimum number within the population that must be vaccinated in order to provide "herd immunity." E.g., 95% must be vaccinated against polio in order to prevent the remaining 5% from catching and spreading polio. (Do not quote me on the numbers! They are for illustrative purposes only.) Without sufficient numbers of immunized individuals, the disease can spread even among those who were immunized.

20 posted on 03/07/2011 6:01:24 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: nuconvert
The deaths may turn out to have nothing do with the combination of vaccines, but I still think it’s a lot for a little body to handle & not something I’d do to myself.

You expose yourself to pathogens constantly, unless you live in a bubble. Your children are even more exposed.

*If* the vaccines are shown to be related to the deaths in this case, I would suspect a bad bottle, package, or production lot. There is no evidence to blanketly condemn vaccines or the vaccine regimen here.

21 posted on 03/07/2011 6:05:23 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: CondorFlight

I have always gotten my children vaccinated BUT I demand the shots to be spread out. They get one and I make another appointment in about three weeks for the next. I see little babies getting three and four at one time. All that going through one little child is ridiculous. IMHO


22 posted on 03/07/2011 7:03:36 AM PST by momtothree
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To: waynesa98

That’s what I’ve read at The Vitamin D Council, too.

www.vitamindcouncil.org

What’s shocking is that there are now *some* cases where parents have been accused of child abuse when their child actually was discovered to have rickets.


23 posted on 03/07/2011 7:12:27 AM PST by Madam Theophilus
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To: exDemMom

Feel free to treat your kids & yourelf as you like.


24 posted on 03/07/2011 7:20:42 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: rod1

Is earlier (than they used to be given) timing regime and administration of groups of vaccines used because that regime is KNOWN to be optimum for the child’s immune system OR... is it used because of convenient as per offcie visits and compliance?

It’s called ‘grab ‘em and stab ‘em’ and it’s a well-known practice in medicine No thought is given to the benefit or harm to the patient, just pump ‘em full of as many vaccines as possible at each visit. Too much time, charting, visits AND you run the risk of the patient not coming back for more. all these vaccine cheerleaders just make me laugh. They actually think the medical system is there to keep people healthy. I’ve got news for them, but they won’t listen, so I’ll just save my breath and let them find out the hard way.


25 posted on 03/07/2011 7:27:13 AM PST by usmom
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To: nuconvert

The last thing Japan needs is less children, they have birthrate issues the way it is.


26 posted on 03/07/2011 8:01:49 AM PST by GraceG
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To: momtothree

bttt


27 posted on 03/07/2011 9:43:42 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: usmom
Is earlier (than they used to be given) timing regime and administration of groups of vaccines used because that regime is KNOWN to be optimum for the child’s immune system OR... is it used because of convenient as per offcie visits and compliance?

It’s called ‘grab ‘em and stab ‘em’ and it’s a well-known practice in medicine No thought is given to the benefit or harm to the patient, just pump ‘em full of as many vaccines as possible at each visit. Too much time, charting, visits AND you run the risk of the patient not coming back for more. all these vaccine cheerleaders just make me laugh. They actually think the medical system is there to keep people healthy. I’ve got news for them, but they won’t listen, so I’ll just save my breath and let them find out the hard way.

There are several issues with the vaccination schedules, which are under constant review and research. One particularly vexing issue is that infants develop and die from diseases before they are due to receive the vaccines. They are exposed to older children who have also not received the vaccines due to their parents' misguided belief that somehow, vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they prevent. Furthermore, some pathogens can colonize people without causing disease; Neisseria meningititis, for example, has been shown to colonize about 10% of the population. This is a big source of danger for small infants.

Keep in mind that vaccines only present a small challenge to the immune system. The theory being, that if a small challenge is presented and overcome through a vaccine, then the immune system will be primed and ready to fight the real challenge presented by a virulent pathogen.

I would highly suggest to anyone interested in the subject, to look up Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. It contains many good articles about disease prevalence, and presents the latest recommended vaccine schedules. Since it is written by and for scientists, it bypasses much of the fearmongering that is so prevalent elsewhere. It requires no subscription to access.

28 posted on 03/07/2011 5:21:57 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: nuconvert
Feel free to treat your kids & yourelf as you like.

Believe me, I'd much rather face the infinitesimal risk of a vaccine reaction than the far larger risk of catching a potentially fatal disease.

29 posted on 03/07/2011 5:25:07 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I’m not against vaccines


30 posted on 03/07/2011 6:17:11 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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