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Not only farmers get Colorado agriculture tax breaks (Tom Cruise pays $400-248 acres)
Denver Business Journal ^ | March 7, 2011

Posted on 03/08/2011 5:28:00 AM PST by maggief

The Denver Post concludes a two-part report today on Colorado's agriculture-land tax breaks and the non-farmers who benefit from them.

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1 posted on 03/08/2011 5:28:02 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13076858

Celebrities, Pols Benefit From Colo. Ag Tax Breaks
Goldie Hawn, Tom Cruise among celebrities benefiting from Colo. lower agricultural tax rate

DENVER March 7, 2011 (AP)


2 posted on 03/08/2011 5:29:03 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
Goldie Hawn, Tom Cruise among celebrities benefiting from Colo. lower agricultural tax rate

So what?

3 posted on 03/08/2011 5:31:08 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: maggief
End subsidies now! All ag subsidies do is drive up ag land prices by subsidizing investors, hunting clubs, retirees, etc. that never had any intention of farming the land.

If I want to retire a nice 80 acres of what was farming land, but not farm it, the gubmit will pay me a money to do it. Sure, its not enough for an actual farming family to live on, but it sure does offset my expenses.

4 posted on 03/08/2011 5:32:00 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: maggief

I raise cattle and enjoy a greatly reduced tax rate. If you want to see the price of beef go sky high and the US become dependent on foreign sources for food, just go messing with the ag exemption.


5 posted on 03/08/2011 5:32:57 AM PST by RushingWater
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To: SampleMan
End subsidies now!

The US must preserve the domestic food production. I'm not sure what is the best way to do this, but this isn't an area for pure global competition market forces.
6 posted on 03/08/2011 5:35:05 AM PST by RushingWater
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To: maggief

I doubt Tom Cruise or Goldie Hawn are raisning any crops themselves, perhaps they rent that property to others who work it for them. If they are raising crops on the property and are entitled to the tax break , why shouldn’t they get it?

When investers buy property for future development they should not be entitled to tax breaks.


7 posted on 03/08/2011 5:39:43 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Sheep graze for brief periods each year. See Denver Post article, part 2, links in posted article.


8 posted on 03/08/2011 5:43:42 AM PST by maggief
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To: from occupied ga

Are you kidding me Georgia? You approve of craven celebrities ripping off the taxpayers with their schemes? Remember John Kerry parking his yacht in another state to avoid taxes? Then these paragons of Hollywood want to tell John Q. Public to pay more taxes.............


9 posted on 03/08/2011 5:47:16 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: maggief

Our founding fathers would be most distressed by the dictatorship in office and the amount of taxes we spend.


10 posted on 03/08/2011 5:47:43 AM PST by mountainlion
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To: maggief
Good for them.

It's every American's patriotic duty to pay as little tax as possible. And I support it even when liberals do it unless they're being hypocritical about it, and I don't recall them saying people need to be taxed more.

And, BTW, a tax rate reduction is not the same as a "subsidy". I'm all for all the tax breaks we can get.

11 posted on 03/08/2011 5:48:46 AM PST by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: Jotmo

My liberal mother in law wants taxes raised.


12 posted on 03/08/2011 5:50:52 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: maggief

If wealthy celebrities utilize their land such that they meet the requirements of the law, then good for them. They are entitled to the tax break.


13 posted on 03/08/2011 5:56:30 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Jotmo

I have a plot of land in southern Colorado I use for shooting. Because the ranch owner I bought it from still grazes cattle on it with my permission, I get the agricultural tax rate. I can’t really say I have a problem with celebrities using the same law to their advantage.

Either the law applies to everyone, rich or poor, or it’s garbage.


14 posted on 03/08/2011 5:59:16 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: from occupied ga

It has the side effect (unintended consequence) of exposing the outrageous welfare given to the farmers in Colorado. Lets invite all of Hollyweird and have some good old fashioned class warfare. The family farm is becoming a myth of history anyway.


15 posted on 03/08/2011 6:04:02 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: from occupied ga

What do you mean, “so what?” This sort of practice drives up the cost of farmland, namely because any Joe Schmoe can incur upon the land, build as they please, and permanently destroy what had been perfectly good farmland. It frankly infuriates me that developers are getting tax breaks on this sort of land.

As someone who actually wants to get into ranching and looks as the price of land around the nation inflates because of wreckless builders and irresponsible immigration policities, it’s frustrating.

And if you want to own land somewhat near a residential area because your spouse works, oh, that’s right, you can’t because some moronic developer has bought up the land.


16 posted on 03/08/2011 6:04:51 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: yldstrk
You approve of craven celebrities ripping off the taxpayers with their schemes?

How does this "rip-off the taxpayers?" Are you telling me you approve of progressive taxation? Are you telling me that you approve of tax breaks for some people, but not the wealthy? I smell envy.

17 posted on 03/08/2011 6:05:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Jotmo

Its not a tax rate reduction if its only being granted to politicians and celebrities and the wealthy, it is most definitely a form of subsidy


18 posted on 03/08/2011 6:07:15 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SampleMan

So you and the left agree that NOT taxing more equalls a subsidy?

I have a 40 acre plot in So Colorado. Bare ground. My taxes are less than ten bucks a year. For that I get no road maintenance (the land owners do it),no water or sewer and the fire dept is volunteers. If I build the taxes will go up. The services will not.


19 posted on 03/08/2011 6:08:31 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SampleMan

How do you interpret a lower property tax rate as the government paying you to farm? I am not following that.


20 posted on 03/08/2011 6:09:13 AM PST by OilCanDan23
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To: CaspersGh0sts
As someone who actually wants to get into ranching and looks as the price of land around the nation inflates because of wreckless builders and irresponsible immigration policities, it’s frustrating.

So you believe that some people (ie those "who actually want to get into ranching") should get tax breaks, but not other people, eg. developers? And this is a so-called conservative forum.

21 posted on 03/08/2011 6:11:26 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Steamburg
It has the side effect (unintended consequence) of exposing the outrageous welfare given to the farmers in Colorado

This might be a good thing. Totally ignoring the fact that 95% of what government does is reward special interests at the expense of the rest of the citizenry, and looking solely at HOW the money is looted. I think that tax rates should be uniform. However, failing that I think it doesn't make any difference WHO you are. If you qualify legally for the break based on land usage, then you should be able to get it regardless of your income.

Apparently some of the posters on this thread are in favor of means testing.

22 posted on 03/08/2011 6:17:10 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: maggief

How much of a tax break and direct payments did that silk stocking lawyer and Senator Salazar get for his “family farm?”
He’s recently found religion in the sage grouse totem that prevents oil development in the western lands.


23 posted on 03/08/2011 6:17:35 AM PST by calico_thompson
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To: maggief
Idiocy to consider lower taxes on unimproved land a subsidy of any sort. It has always been thus.
24 posted on 03/08/2011 6:18:17 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: Steamburg
The family farm is becoming a myth of history anyway.

Over 90% of our food comes from family farms.

25 posted on 03/08/2011 6:30:43 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: RushingWater

I agree with you to a point. By receiving the breaks, do you get visits from EPA storm troopers checking you environmental impact?


26 posted on 03/08/2011 6:35:03 AM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Steamburg
The family farm is becoming a myth of history anyway.

The economics of it have changed. It is complicated by the "government programs" and by the influence of Global Ag but some still survive in spite of everything.

My family has farmed in Haskell County TX since they were burned out of AL during Reconstruction. It has never been easy. My ancestors were here before a town, before the railroad and before civilization. Some of the land that my father and uncle farm has been farmed by our family for over 110 years.

Several of the local families came about the same time, running away from the consequences of a terribly corrupt central government. They voted with their feet and moved past the edge of comfort and civilization.

There are many similarities today with what drove them here. (I moved away for over 25 years, first in my family, but moved back about 15 years ago)

27 posted on 03/08/2011 6:44:57 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: from occupied ga

“So you believe that some people (ie those “who actually want to get into ranching”) should get tax breaks, but not other people, eg. developers? And this is a so-called conservative forum.”

Yes, I do.

Developers produce precious little of any long-term use. They’re more in the business of putting up cheap, poorly made houses and permanently destroying farmland.

Go ahead and get E.Coli with your food from Mexico, champ.

By definition, this tax law was put into place to ease the burden on soemone who is going into agriculture, which is a boom/bust enterprise, at times with crops entirely dependent on the weather. By practice, it’s being grossly abused by parasites.

You call yourself a conservative but pay little heed to conservation. But like I said, I hope you enjoy your imported food tainted with God knows what, pretending you’re more conservative than anyone else. It’s obvious you haven’t even set your hands on a plow.


28 posted on 03/08/2011 7:01:30 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: yldstrk
Neither Tom Cruise nor Goldie Hawn write tax laws. It would be criminal of their financial advisers, if they were not made aware of them and advised to take advantage of them.
John Kerry on the other hand writes tax laws. That is where the hypocrisy come in.

That said,I am for eliminating all the subsidies and loop holes. A flat tax or the fair tax would do just that.

29 posted on 03/08/2011 7:02:11 AM PST by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: drbuzzard

“I have a plot of land in southern Colorado I use for shooting. Because the ranch owner I bought it from still grazes cattle on it with my permission,”

Did you bag the limit on cows last year?


30 posted on 03/08/2011 7:10:39 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: maggief

you’d pay 5 to 8 times that on a three bedroom house in my area


31 posted on 03/08/2011 7:16:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Venturer

When investors buy property for future development ... so what? What is at question is what is the property being used for currently. If they are still grazing, haying, growing or otherwise putting the land to Ag use, they should get the Ag tax rate.

When they actually develop the land and sell it off, it then goes to either the commercial or residentual rates.


32 posted on 03/08/2011 7:39:57 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: CaspersGh0sts
Where to begin on your envy fueled naive rant? Here I guess

Developers produce precious little of any long-term use.

So you consider houses, shopping malls, industrial parks, office parks, etc. to be of "little long term use?" Amazing.

permanently destroying farmland.

Again so what? there isn't anything sacred about farmland. Before it was farmland it was prairie or forest. Just in case you didn't realize it, "champ," The country didn't come with big chunks of farmland. farmland was converted from something else. Are you some kind of tree hugger or something? Because if you're not, you ought to change your tune because you're sure beginning to sound like one.

Go ahead and get E.Coli with your food from Mexico, champ.

Now this is just plain bullsh!t. When I go to the grocery store I buy pineapples from Costa Rica, limes from Mexico, grapes and asparagus from Chile, etc. and you know what "champ?" I've never gotten E. Coli. I have no idea where the chicken, pork, or beef I eat comes from, and I bet you don't either. One thing I won't buy is overpriced "organic" crap that's grown locally - more tree hugger nonsense.

By definition, this tax law was put into place to ease the burden on soemone who is going into agriculture,

Once again you're wrong. The law was put into place to shift the burden from one set of taxpayers to another.

which is a boom/bust enterprise, at times with crops entirely dependent on the weather

As Harry Truman once said, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

You call yourself a conservative but pay little heed to conservation.

Conservation is not even vaguely like conservatism. In fact, unbridled conservation is one of the sacred comandments of the loony left - Earth F!rst, "greenspace," etc.

But like I said, I hope you enjoy your imported food tainted with God knows what,

I enjoy every bite. And this "contaminated" crap is more of your bullshit - It's contaminated with nothing. You want contamination stories? Read about the peanutbutter plant that cranked out contaminated peanutbutter that went into hundreds of products right here in the USA.

pretending you’re more conservative than anyone else.

First off, "champ" you need to learn how to debate without insult. Second off "champ," it's pretty obvious that you're really a redistributionist (another term for liberal) who thinks that his niche, unlike everyone else's niche, is really worthy of special government favors, so I guess that does make me more conservative than you.

And finally

It’s obvious you haven’t even set your hands on a plow.

First, you say this like it's a bad thing. Like "putting you hands on a plow" gives you some special insight. Well let me say I've never been a welfare recipient either, but that doesn't mean that I can't criticize welfare. I've never been a Kongressman, but I feel competent to criticze them too.

And one last thing. I'm proud to say that I'm not a farmer, although you're wrong about the plow crap just like everything else you've posted. My grandparents' generation mostly had farms, and I got tapped for many chores on my grandparent's farm and my great aunt and uncles' farms and running the tractor was one of them.

33 posted on 03/08/2011 7:51:34 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: yldstrk

Is your mother in law Goldie Hawn or Tom Cruise?


34 posted on 03/08/2011 8:07:55 AM PST by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

dittos


35 posted on 03/08/2011 8:14:07 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: from occupied ga

Outstanding post.


36 posted on 03/08/2011 8:17:50 AM PST by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: from occupied ga
Now this is just plain bullsh!t. When I go to the grocery store I buy pineapples from Costa Rica, limes from Mexico, grapes and asparagus from Chile, etc. and you know what "champ?" I've never gotten E. Coli. I have no idea where the chicken, pork, or beef I eat comes from, and I bet you don't either. One thing I won't buy is overpriced "organic" crap that's grown locally - more tree hugger nonsense.

Libertarian free trade garbage but thanks anyway for playing
Libertarianism the godless religion of I me my mine
The religion of atomistic individualism

37 posted on 03/08/2011 8:18:27 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Jotmo

Thanks.


38 posted on 03/08/2011 8:19:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: SampleMan
All ag subsidies do is drive up ag land prices

There are no other effects at all? You mean, no impact on the volume of production, on prices?

39 posted on 03/08/2011 8:20:24 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: dennisw
Libertarian free trade garbage ... Libertarianism the godless religion...

Let me know when you've taken your medication. On second thought, don't bother. You have nothing to say that I'd be interested in.

40 posted on 03/08/2011 8:22:33 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: yldstrk
Remember John Kerry parking his yacht in another state to avoid taxes?

Kerry was guilty only of hypocrisy: there was absolutely nothing wrong with him parking his yacht wherever he wanted.

It's fine to be angry at Kerry or Hollywood celebrities, but it would be nice if you new why you are angry at them, wouldn't it?

41 posted on 03/08/2011 8:24:22 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: OilCanDan23
How do you interpret a lower property tax rate as the government paying you to farm? I am not following that.

I have no issue with property rates based on use restricted by zoning. But it shouldn't be to encourage anything, aka "empowerment zones".

42 posted on 03/08/2011 8:25:15 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Jotmo
It's every American's patriotic duty to pay as little tax as possible.

Really? Suppose you get your way, and nobody pays any federal tax. What's so patriotic about not having the military, then?

43 posted on 03/08/2011 8:26:54 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: from occupied ga

Watch your libertarian blood pressure


44 posted on 03/08/2011 8:33:59 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: TopQuark

non sequitur


45 posted on 03/08/2011 8:35:47 AM PST by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: MileHi
So you and the left agree that NOT taxing more equalls a subsidy?

Not taxing selectively based on who the government wants to reward or punish equals a subsidy or a handout. Yes, it does. If green eyed 45-yr-old men were exempt from income taxes this year, I would get quite a pile of money compared to other people making my same income.

The key to taxation is fairness.

I have a 40 acre plot in So Colorado. Bare ground. My taxes are less than ten bucks a year. For that I get no road maintenance (the land owners do it),no water or sewer and the fire dept is volunteers. If I build the taxes will go up. The services will not.

Yep, I grew up in the most rural and second poorest county in Missouri. So I know what a small tax base is. That said, your argument is a bit spacious. Services meet outlays in small taxing authorities, and are still averaged out. Now let's take those volunteer firefighters who still have to be provided a truck and equipment, you are getting the added service of fire protection (however limited it might be) for a house, vice your bare ground. I presume that if a house was built on every 40 acres, that the community might want to improve emergency services a tad. Or not, up to them.

So a flat milleage rate, determined by the local vote, sounds like as fair a system as you are going to get.

46 posted on 03/08/2011 8:37:45 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: TopQuark
Kerry was guilty only of hypocrisy: there was absolutely nothing wrong with him parking his yacht wherever he wanted.

Actually he broke the tax laws of Massachusetts, he was caught doing it and that is why he had to pay up the $500,000....Read up on it if you want

47 posted on 03/08/2011 8:38:15 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: RushingWater
The US must preserve the domestic food production. I'm not sure what is the best way to do this, but this isn't an area for pure global competition market forces.

If you are going to go the protectionist route, tariffs do more for keeping internal market forces healthy than subsidies do. They are far simpler and work at a macro level, vice trying to micromangage production.

Of course tariffs cause many unentended consequences at the macro level.

48 posted on 03/08/2011 8:40:47 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: SampleMan
Not taxing selectively based on who the government wants to reward or punish equals a subsidy or a handout.

It is not selective. Bare ground is ag, improve it with a house and it is not ag.

I presume that if a house was built on every 40 acres, ...

that the taxes would increase on those 40 acre lots accordingly. No matter your eye color or how many movies you made.

49 posted on 03/08/2011 9:01:53 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Jotmo
non sequitur

If you choose to say something so silly, don't put it in such as pretentious form. Intellectual honesty dictates one to exposit his arguments with all the more care the more provocative the claims are.

You've made a provocative claim whereing you declared that paying less taxes is Americn's partiotic duty. To show its invalidity (to the point of silliness) I used reductio ad absurdum by sharpening your own argument: if nobody payed any taxes we would have no defense (or any other public goods) --- how is that partiotic?

Rather than attempting to anwer the question, you are spewing new nonsense. Care to state where the alleged non sequitur has occured? Or, the person that taught you Latin failed to tell you that it is no substitute for logic?

What's the case here, my friend? How is it patriotic not to have defense for America? Kindly explain.

50 posted on 03/08/2011 9:07:33 AM PST by TopQuark
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