Posted on 03/08/2011 11:47:32 AM PST by King_Corey
As long as firearms are stil being used, I don’t see the .30-06 ever being outdated.
While no small arms cartridge is truly ballistically perfect, the .30-06 and the 7mm Mauser are about as close as humans are likely to get.
Yeah, I have both and the difference is obvious.
I imagine they have the jigs & fixtures, though, and can ramp up mfg to mil spec pretty quickly.
FYI -
Thread related to our discussion of yesterday.
Robert Strange McNamara also made a terrible decision when he ordered the closing of the Springfield National Armory, and forced D.O.D. to use private companies to develop our future infantry small arms.
For years now, we have been relying on Beretta, FN, S.I.G., and HK. It seems like U.S. industry is good at big-budget programs, like aircraft, tanks, and missiles. But we no longer take the lead in small arms development.
Not exactly the same. Here is a link that gives great details on the differences.
The Marines and Army are procuring the Knight's Armament Co. M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System (SASS). This is an update of the Stoner AR-10 in 7.62 NATO. The M110 SASS is derived from the KAC SR-25 precision rifle and the Navy SEAL’s Mk 11 Mod 0/1 sniper's rifle.
Also, the Army is upgrading all in-house M24 Sniper Weapon System (SWS) to the M24A1 in .300 Win Mag. The Marines are updating all M40 Sniper's in-house to the M40A5 configuration in 7.62 NATO. The M24 and M40 are bolt actions; all other sniper rigs are self-loaders.
There's lots of good bolt and self loader rifles around. The M14’s have also been refurbished into outstanding sniper rifles: Mk 14 Mod 0/1; M14 DMR; M14 SE and SEI, M14 SOCOM I and II, M14 EBR.
Yep.
SR-25/Mk11 Mod 0
Much better, in every way, than the M-14 ever was or ever will be.
More reliable.
More accurate.
I see A LOT of shooters upgrading M1A rifles (not real M-14s) with the new chassis and stock systems, but none match up to the SR-25.
Supposedly the Aussie in Nam carried FAL-FN’s with .308 and the NVA and Viet Cong avoided picking picking fights with them.
I was shooting a .308 (7.62 x 51) before I joined the Army in 1965. I was thrilled when they issued me one (M14) and later an M60. When I was just about to get out of the service, they “qualified” me on the M16! I thought then and still think it is a piece of junk for a battle rifle compared to the M14. I’m glad the military is finally seeing the error of its ways. Today, in the civilian world, I still shoot .308. My son, in Iraq, though disagrees with me, hehehehehe!
Very few M-14s are capable of .5 MOA, or ever were.
It takes a lot of tuning to work the M-14 into that condition.
I have wondered for a long time how well an M-16 with a 24 inch barrel would do. You could leave off the flash hider and the overall length would not be that much more.
Adding a lot of velocity to those heavy .223 bullets would make them effective at long range. I know they penetrate well with just the standard M-16 barrels.
One could compromise and make it 22 inches with no flash hider and it would be about the same oal.
That would be...an M14.
Exactly! That is exactly what an M14 was to meant be. Shorter action, full auto fire capability, lighter weight, quick change 20 round magazine, basically the same ballistics. In other words - a modified M1 Garand and a BAR/Garand combo.
Get the AR.
Cheaper to shoot (train) and more useful for likely applications. Everybody dreams about the 1000m shot because they don’t want to think about the 100m “up close” fight.
I used a M14. I got to where I could tear it down, clean, re assemble is less than 3 minutes. Great mud hole gun. The M16 sucked......
That would be the SCAR SSR (sniper support rifle) variant:
I can’t think of a single thing wrong with ANY of the companies you listed. My only complaint is that Glock isn’t on the list (yet). ;)
How many good men were lost in Vietnam before the gas ports in the early M-16s were re-engineered so that the durned blamed things didn’t need to be kept almost showroom clean?
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