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Violent crime spikes after Camden halves police force
Yahoo ^ | 03/07/2011 | By Liz Goodwin

Posted on 03/08/2011 2:27:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

Two months after Camden, NJ, laid off 160 police officers, city prosecutors have released a sobering report showing a dramatic rise in violent crime in the drug-and-crime-ridden city of 80,000 residents.

Aggravated assaults with firearms jumped 259 percent in January and February compared to last year, and violent crime over all is up 19 percent, the Camden County Prosecutor's Office told the Philadelphia Inquirer. Murders and robberies, however, were down for the period.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: camden; deterrence; donutwatch
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Camden, NJ braces for deep police, fire cuts
 
01/16/2011 5:41:19 PM PST · by george76 · 30 replies
ap ^ | Jan 16, 2011 | GEOFF MULVIHILL
Deep layoffs of city workers go into effect on Tuesday - cutting up to 383 jobs, or one-fourth of the city's employees. The exact number depends on whether public workers' unions make last-minute concessions... Three of Camden's past seven mayors have been sent to prison for corruption, including one who was convicted while he was still running the city.
 

America's Second Most Violent City Is Firing Half Its Police Department (Stay out of Camden,NJ)
 
12/03/2010 8:01:22 AM PST · by SeekAndFind · 69 replies
Business Insider ^ | 12/03/2010 | Gus Lubin
The second most violent city in America just approved plans to layoff half its police force, according to NBC New York. Camden, N.J. will fire one in four city workers on Jan. 18, including half of police. This comes just days after Newark, N.J. fired 167 police officers, which marked the biggest force reduction in 32 years. Camden was named the second most violent city based FBI crime data that came out last week. Newark was named the 23 most violent city in America.
 

N.J. approves Camden plan to lay off 180 cops
 
11/30/2010 5:10:53 PM PST · by Kid Shelleen · 40 replies
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 11/30/2010 | Matt Katz
Camden will lay off nearly half of its police officers and a third of its firefighters while eliminating positions in every city office, according to a layoff plan approved Tuesday by the state. The 383 total layoffs represent about a quarter of the city's work force, and touch all corners of city government, from 15 positions in the municipal court to 20 police dispatchers.


1 posted on 03/08/2011 2:27:56 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sounds like they need to loosen up the gun laws.


2 posted on 03/08/2011 2:29:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Responsibility2nd
Also from the article....
 

"They love seeing a 40-year-old cop get out of that car instead of a 24-year-old guy who can actually chase them down," an unnamed police officer told the Times, referring to criminals.

And residents are wasting their time, sources say, if they report nonviolent serious crimes. "If you're not shot or murdered, or if it does not involve a drug gang, it's not going to be investigated," another anonymous cop told the Times. An anti-crime group called The Guardian Angels volunteered to patrol the streets after January's layoffs.

Camden Mayor Dana Redd said 100 police officers could have kept their jobs if they took a 20 percent wage cut. The officers instead agreed to a wage freeze and unpaid leave days, which was rejected. Sixty-seven firefighters and 100 clerks were also axed in an attempt to close the city's $26.5 million deficit, according to the Star-Ledger. The Camden public library was shut down as well.

Camden is one of the nation's most impoverished and crime-ridden cities, though a drop in the murder rate in 2009 and 2010 raised hopes among residents that the tide could be turning.

3 posted on 03/08/2011 2:29:17 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’ll wager that this city has been run by Democrats for many years. Just a “wild guess” on my part.


4 posted on 03/08/2011 2:32:43 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Responsibility2nd
Instead of a Neighborhood Watch, they should start instituting a Neighborhood Street Sweeper.


5 posted on 03/08/2011 2:35:21 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Responsibility2nd

They cut polioce officers, but I bet not a single position got cut in City Hall where I’m sure the lowest bureaucrat makes more than a police officer.


6 posted on 03/08/2011 2:35:40 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Just a few bad guys can make life depressing. Welcome to East St Louis or Oakland or some other s***hole..


7 posted on 03/08/2011 2:35:43 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Responsibility2nd

Police don’t prevent crime. They conduct investigations.


8 posted on 03/08/2011 2:36:44 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Signalman
St Louis, Missouri and Camden, New Jersey have been trading back and forth the "honor" of the most violent crime city in the entire US for a number of years.

St Louis has been a blue city for many many years.

9 posted on 03/08/2011 2:37:40 PM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Just tell the libs to make more “CO-EXIST” stickers and PEACE SIGNS..and it’ll all work out.


10 posted on 03/08/2011 2:45:04 PM PST by max americana
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To: Responsibility2nd

Funny way of putting it since Camden is supposedly has the worst crime rate of any city of its size. Now they’re saying it’s worse???


11 posted on 03/08/2011 2:47:24 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: max americana

“Just tell the libs to make more “CO-EXIST” stickers and PEACE SIGNS..and it’ll all work out”.

...don’t forget “Buy Fresh, Buy Local”! That always seem to calm me down!


12 posted on 03/08/2011 2:47:41 PM PST by albie
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To: Signalman

I’ll wager that this city has been run by Democrats for many years. Just a “wild guess” on my part.

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From one of the links in post 1.......

Three of Camden’s past seven mayors have been sent to prison for corruption, including one who was convicted while he was still running the city.


13 posted on 03/08/2011 2:47:54 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Also from the link in post 1....
 

 
IMAGES OF CAMDEN, NJ:







1 posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 10:01:24 AM by SeekAndFind
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14 posted on 03/08/2011 2:50:01 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Signalman

You win!


15 posted on 03/08/2011 2:51:55 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: Signalman

Totally run by only democrats.


16 posted on 03/08/2011 2:53:13 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You’re making it look worse than it is, they did tear down the prison to make room for waterfront development. /s

IF there was no police union, the city could hire people to patrol for less. I wouldn’t rush to do that everywhere, but this is an emergency.

I wonder how you blame this on the republicans.


17 posted on 03/08/2011 2:55:45 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don't believe word ONE. Self-serving government propaganda. Let's get an independent audit of these stats.
18 posted on 03/08/2011 2:55:45 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Williams

From the article...

An anti-crime group called The Guardian Angels volunteered to patrol the streets after January’s layoffs.

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Can you imagine the crime in the streets if it wree not for the Guardian Angels?


19 posted on 03/08/2011 2:58:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Burn a cross in front of city hall and the dunderhead obuma will send 1,000 FBI agents to walk around and eat doughnuts. Tack up pictures of Robert Byrd on telephone poles.


20 posted on 03/08/2011 2:59:29 PM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Camden is a hell hole. Urban slum, almost all of it. And it has been, for as long as I can remember.


21 posted on 03/08/2011 3:00:38 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Well, I'm sure it's not the Rogue Amish in there (as with ALL major cities that are Democrat-owned).

Time to assemble a well-armed local militia, and take care of the neighborhood. Likewise, keep the Lawyers out of Camden, and the streets would be clear of thugs, too. NO PLEA BARGAINS.

22 posted on 03/08/2011 3:01:19 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: sergeantdave

Indeed.

Where is Eric Holder and his “my people” rhetoric?


23 posted on 03/08/2011 3:01:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

See the Liberal plan for making taxpayers “pay” for not increasing taxes in action. Cut essential services like police and schools. Wait for crime to go up and blackmail the public into paying more. Government reminds me of a feudal system protection racket more and more every day.


24 posted on 03/08/2011 3:01:33 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Depresing pics. Looks like “Steph” has been dead now longer than he was alive which wasn’t very long.


25 posted on 03/08/2011 3:03:49 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Camden is another LIB/DIM city displaying their penchant for ineptitude and destruction. I bet the residents voted for nobama. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


26 posted on 03/08/2011 3:04:59 PM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Certainly if a white Tea Party member with a Gadsden bumper sticker were to be picked up for conceal carry without Big Brother approval, he’d be hauled in and serve hard time.


27 posted on 03/08/2011 3:11:33 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well gee, maybe if you had not pissed money away you would not be dealing with this problem...


28 posted on 03/08/2011 3:13:07 PM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Can’t be too bad, picture at link shows a whole bunch of nice boots just sitting there that nobody stole.


29 posted on 03/08/2011 3:25:06 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Responsibility2nd
Fifty years of liberalism and the "great society."
And every inner city in America is just like this.
Sickening.
30 posted on 03/08/2011 3:30:22 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is so sad. That little boy is of so many others. Did the president take away the American Dream? Does that boy dream too? tears....


31 posted on 03/08/2011 3:38:45 PM PST by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
See the Liberal plan for making taxpayers “pay” for not increasing taxes in action. Cut essential services like police and schools. Wait for crime to go up and blackmail the public into paying more.

True, but this is Camden. There are no taxpayers. That entire city is full of parasites.

32 posted on 03/08/2011 3:41:57 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Responsibility2nd
After union-city negotiations broke down in January, the city fired nearly every officer hired after 1998, following the union-dictated seniority layoff policy. So the remaining police force of 200 officers is middle-aged.

Camden Mayor Dana Redd said 100 police officers could have kept their jobs if they took a 20 percent wage cut. The officers instead agreed to a wage freeze and unpaid leave days, which was rejected.

Look for the Union label.


33 posted on 03/08/2011 3:42:14 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Why are public employee unions attacking taxpayers?)
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To: DTogo
Certainly if a white Tea Party member with a Gadsden bumper sticker were to be picked up for conceal carry without Big Brother approval, he’d be hauled in and serve hard time.

Actually, yes.

34 posted on 03/08/2011 3:44:51 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Responsibility2nd
shoulda kept the cops, and cut the welfare...
35 posted on 03/08/2011 4:26:25 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If we were to be very cynical, we could ask all the laid off cops: Where were you on the night of __________ between ________ and _____________ (given that the public service unions are becoming more thugish every day.)

But, I won’t seriously go there.


36 posted on 03/08/2011 4:39:35 PM PST by Wuli
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“True, but this is Camden. There are no taxpayers. That entire city is full of parasites.”

They’ll just rape the county, state, and federal governments instead for their money; problem in NJ now is that the county and state are tapped out, and the Kenyan Pirate isn’t kicking in anything either - fed’s broke, too.


37 posted on 03/08/2011 4:53:39 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Responsibility2nd

“They love seeing a 40-year-old cop get out of that car instead of a 24-year-old guy who can actually chase them down,”

NJ cops stopped chasing the animals down over a decade ago, when they were told they risked their jobs, their pensions, and jail time if they continued to act as policemen; now, they “de-police” (file traffic accident reports). The NJ State Police went into Camden years ago to deal with parts the city’s police wouldn’t even patrol anymore; after several justified shootings, they were removed (too effective?). The politically correct answer would appear to be Britain’s policy when colonizing: elevate one group of natives above the rest, arm them, and let THEM keep order. No more racial hysterics...


38 posted on 03/08/2011 4:58:05 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Responsibility2nd

“If you’re not shot or murdered, or if it does not involve a drug gang, it’s not going to be investigated,”

Newark has operated like that for decades; these police layoffs will have NO IMPACT on the quality of life in on these reservations.


39 posted on 03/08/2011 4:59:19 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Responsibility2nd
The long term solution is to charge neighborhoods for their police protection. Block by block - each taxing area would equal 4 square city blocks - incentives switched - perverse incentives out - healthy ones in....

If you live in a civilized neighborhood, your taxes go down - live in chaos, your taxes go up.

Here's why it would work: inner city neighborhoods have zero incentive to stop crime. Thugs run the game. Those who stand up to them is to stand alone.

Residents being assessed a 'crime tax' based on number of neighborhood police calls changes the game. Responsible people ( plus the ones who don't want to pay extra taxes) join forces and start snitching on crooks. Crime quits being fashionable and edgy.

A women with 3 juvenile delinquents becomes the outcast - rather than the person to be feared. Everyone has something to lose if crime stays high.

Switching the incentives works. Police should not be babysitting adults in bad neighborhoods.

40 posted on 03/08/2011 5:15:41 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: kearnyirish2

I’ve heard that Camden is the extreme, in that, almost all of the middle class and almost all businesses moved out years ago. So the only people left are the very poor, the thugs, gang members, and other assorted people with social pathologies. How can Camden, or any city, survive when everyone who is productive has moved on???? With no tax base and no taxpayers, that’s a recipe for disaster. The pictures tell a sad story.


41 posted on 03/08/2011 5:16:33 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The “tax base” becomes the county, state, and fed government. These places also have a lot of illegal aliens, since without them the school district and apartment rentals such as they are would completely dry up. Other cities in NJ have laid off polie as well (Newark, Jersey City, Paterson); this doesn’t just reflect an exodus of taxpayers and corporations, but also the fact that a lot of illegals live in these places. They are invisible in terms of the census, they are no W-2s issued for those that work, and they contribute nothing to the tax base by stacking in apartments or simply living in undeclared (illegal, untaxed) apartments.


42 posted on 03/08/2011 5:44:17 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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