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Le Pen Is Mightier
The Weekly Standard ^ | Mar 14, 2011, | CHRISTOPHER CALDWELL

Posted on 03/09/2011 7:59:31 AM PST by Eurotwit

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To: skeeter; Eurotwit
I've always believed Europe will turn away from international leftism, and when it does, it will be in the blink of an eye.

The appeal of Leftism has been "We will get the Rich to share their wealth with you". The voters now realize that what is happening is that THEY are being told to share their income with the underclass of the entire world, and it is NOT an appealing prospect any more.

The Western natives need to be made to realize that, to the people in the Third World slums who want to invade the West, THEY are the Rich who are to be plundered.

21 posted on 03/09/2011 8:36:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

How so?

To a Norwegian it sounds a bit American to me.

Presidential elections. The winner needs 50 percent I believe, so if noone gets it. They have a second round.

It would be like in 1992 having a second round run off between Clinton and Bush. Bush would probably have won, and no agony for 8 years. And, sadly - probably no freerublic. lol.


22 posted on 03/09/2011 8:36:14 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Heck, I even agree with the socialist critique that most Rockefeller republicans who support globalisation/NAFTA whatnot does so only because it is an attack on workers and wage levels. And a boon to corporate profit levels.

One of the most destructive forces in capitalism was when Republicans allowed executive compensation to take the form of stock options. This was done as a way of moving multimillion dollar VP and CEO salaries out from under the high tax structure that is in place in the US but had the unintended consequence of business leaders making decisions which were unduly focused on short term stock prices rather than long term business prosperity. A "kill the goose that laid the golden egg" mentality resulted.
23 posted on 03/09/2011 8:40:59 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: PapaBear3625

I think you make a very good point.

The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc.

Heck it always was. The nazi’s and commies in Germany before the war exhanged voters and supporters. The SA boys were pretty much socialists. The middle class stayed largely out of it.

Sadly there were a lot of poor in Germany at the time.


24 posted on 03/09/2011 8:41:52 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

The Weekly Standard does not appear happy with the rise of the FN, which appeals to the unemployed, the young, and most importantly, the working class. Just like in the US, the two largest French parties have come under the control of the globalists and multiculturalists. Although the author believes Le Pen’s chances of being elected are “slim,” I think he underestimates the frustration and anger of the French voter. French nationalism will emerge as a powerful electoral force. The people have had enough. And France is not alone in Europe in this regard.


25 posted on 03/09/2011 8:42:02 AM PST by kabar
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To: Yet_Again
One of the most destructive forces in capitalism was when Republicans allowed executive compensation to take the form of stock options

Interlocking Directorates is the other big problem, people sit on each others' boards, and it's all meant to keep the status quo.

26 posted on 03/09/2011 8:42:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Eurotwit
The SA boys were pretty much socialists.

Which is precisely why Hitler killed them off, they scared the industrialists, and Hitler needed them to build his war machine.

27 posted on 03/09/2011 8:44:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Yet_Again

I agree with that too having been involved with designing compensation programs or one of the largest auto manufacturers.

Or we gave advice. They listened to our supply chain management ideas, but not on compensation.

I think in general some form of tie-in with stock performance is good, and I applaud most programs like that - especially when workers at all levels are involved. The gigantic stop options for CEO’s though have largely been poorly designed.

How about stock options that are locked in for at least a decade (After they quit). Puts in some damn incentives for long term success and good succession management.

Even a perfect CEO or manager, who leaves his organisation to fail after he leaves has failed his duties.


28 posted on 03/09/2011 8:47:45 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: dfwgator

Exactly.

Which is a bit simplistic, an many FReepers do, to call Hitler a socialist.

He was power mad, and would use any means to get his ways. Appealing to the socialist sentiment of many German voters was of course a no brainer.

He was a pragmatic madman before he was a Kucinich.

imho that is :-)


29 posted on 03/09/2011 8:52:49 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
"The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc."

Your mistake, here, is that you accept the completely bogus nomenclature of Leftist academic & media premises. The Nazis, for example, were to the right only of the Communists. They were actually to the Left of many other Socialist parties. The right since the French Revolution has been those who would preserve the cultural and material achievements of the past, not those who seek to impose Totalitarian uniformity on a population.

See Compulsion For Uniformity for the common motivations for various Socialist movements; or The Lies Of Socialism, for a much fuller development of the argument here.

You are completely right that the SA boys were socialists, many very radical types, who wanted Hitler to go the full Leninist route. Hitler won the streets from the Communists, basically, by appearing to offer a more effective vehicle for a "new" Germany. He was clearly on the far Left, to those who were looking for such.

(It was no accident that the Nazis blocked the restoration of the Hapsburgs in Austria; that the old Kaiser died in exile in Holland. There was nothing rightwing about the Nazis, except to the propagandists for rival Leftist movements.)

William Flax

30 posted on 03/09/2011 8:56:32 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: dfwgator
Hitler had found that he could persuade much of the old line military leadership that he was a German patriot, before he decided to kill off his close buddy Rohm and the SA leadership. (Rohm had, indeed, been in favor of going after the German Junker class, a la Bolshevik examples, in addition to being a flaming homosexual.)

But note, at the Party rally in Nuremberg after the purge, Hitler was still ranting about a "Classless, Cassteless Germany". He also, like FDR was putting unemployed workers into military uniforms. There is a priceless split second in the propaganda film, "Triumph of The Will," where an old line Military officer's facial expression shows what he actually thought of the shovel carrying labor battalions, marching by.

The difference between a Nuremberg rally and Red Square antics in Moscow, was simply the better pageantry. Both celebrated monolithic uniformity.

31 posted on 03/09/2011 9:09:06 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Eurotwit
I think you make a very good point. The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc.

And the way to sell it to the poor and unemployed is to make note that there is a finite amount of money available for supporting the welfare state, and the net result of allowing poor immigrants will be to collapse the welfare state.

Just ask the native poor: what will you do when the benefit check needs to be shrunk in order to pay for Abdul?

32 posted on 03/09/2011 9:28:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Eurotwit
I don't think the FN has reformed so much as repackaged with a new logo. The French electorate has just seen Sarkozy's lies. They were ignorant fools seeking delusion when they voted for Sarkozy, despite his Union of the Mediterranean.
I noticed that Caldwell completely missed Sarkozy's support for integrating the Arab world with Europe.
33 posted on 03/09/2011 10:05:09 AM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Ohioan
He also, like FDR was putting unemployed workers into military uniforms.

I just remember that was the part immortalized in the Monty Python "Killer Joke" sketch:


34 posted on 03/09/2011 11:03:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Eurotwit
Just as Nazism and communism were the totalitarianisms of the twentieth century, Islamism and globalism are the totalitarianisms of the twenty-first, Ms. Le Pen believes

Who, which government body, is enforcing the "globalism." so much so that it becomes totalitarian?

She sounds inflammatory (by design, I am sure) but silly (unintentionally, I am also sure) when she says that.

35 posted on 03/09/2011 11:45:54 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Eurotwit
Nominating Strauss-Kahn is a “false good idea,” as one political philosopher put it, the equivalent of the Democrats’ nominating Robert Rubin for president.

Franks electing a Jew to be their president? I'd like to see that phenomenon. Doesn't Kahn "fail to have the face of rural [real!] France?"

36 posted on 03/09/2011 11:49:32 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Eurotwit

The National Front is the only political party in France that is serious about doing anything about immigration and multiculturalism.

Sarkozy is a fake.


37 posted on 03/09/2011 11:58:06 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Eurotwit

The National Front is the only political party in France that is serious about doing anything about immigration and multiculturalism.

Sarkozy is a fake.


38 posted on 03/09/2011 11:58:26 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: junta

Sure the Euro elite wanted to import a new people to help usher in “diversity” “tolerance” and general stupidity, and they got the Muslims who ironically think less of the Euro elite than the Euros they were to replace.


39 posted on 03/09/2011 12:15:09 PM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: TopQuark
Franks electing a Jew to be their president? I'd like to see that phenomenon. Doesn't Kahn "fail to have the face of rural [real!] France?"

It's been done, sort of Leon Blum was President of the Council of Ministers three times. However, this was essentially a Prime Minister ship. He was also President of the provisional government after World War 2.
Blum was a socialist na dfairly incompetent, although the Third Republic was unmanageable with governemnts lasting months. I give Blum credit for his actions during World War 2, in trying to stop the communists from sabotaging the war effort. He could have fled Vichy France. Instead he stayed, and voted against giving power to the traitor Petain. He was later arrested and prosecuted by the Vichy courts along with other Third Republic officials for failing to protect France. Blum made such a fool of the prosecution that the Vichy regime and Nazis called off the trial. Blum was then sent to Buchenwald.

Strauss-Kahn isn't fit to clean Blum's memorial.

40 posted on 03/09/2011 11:12:35 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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