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Wisconsin Recall Bid Picks Up Support
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/09/2011 | DOUGLAS BELKIN And KRIS MAHER

Posted on 03/09/2011 8:57:45 AM PST by bushwon

Efforts to recall 14 Republican and Democratic senators in Wisconsin picked up momentum Tuesday while Gov. Scott Walker released emails suggesting the two sides discussed compromises in the three-week standoff over the governor's "budget-repair" bill.

A handful of emails between the governor's staff and top Democrats appear to show the governor softening his position on collective bargaining for public employee unions, which has been at the center of the stalemate. Fourteen Democratic senators left the state on Feb. 17 to prevent a vote on Mr. Walker's legislation.

The governor, who has previously said collective-bargaining rights should be restricted to wages, broadened his position to include mandatory overtime, performance bonuses and hazardous duty pay, the emails show. He also discussed scrapping a proposal to limit wage increases to the rate of inflation.

Cullen Werwie, a spokesman for the governor, said the emails "demonstrate that the lines of communications have been open and negotiations have been ongoing for more than a week. We have repeatedly tried to get Senate Democrats to come home and continued to provide reasonable offers for their consideration."

Democratic Sen. Bob Jauch, a recipient of several of the emails, said their release was a positive step that "enables people to see the kind of starting point you can get to achieve a compromise."

"There was some real serious discussion about bringing collective bargaining back from the grave," he said.

The talks, which began around Feb. 28 and continued at least through Sunday evening, appear to have faltered Monday when the two sides failed to agree on a face-to-face meeting. There are no indications that an agreement is imminent.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; fleebaggers; recall; senators; walker; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
Nationwide liberal groups Progressive Change Campaign Committee, based in Washington, and Democracy for America, based in Vermont, have raised more than $500,000 online in the past week. ---------------------- This is not about Wisconsin or their budget anymore. IMHO The 14 senators are deliberately staying south of cheddar curtain to allow unions to sign more lucrative contracts before Walker cuts take place, and more importantly to setup recalls against Walker and other GOP senators because unions did not like the outcome of the election threatenning their union power by mandatory membership and dues withholding. As Vicki McKenna just stated on her program, this is the first attempt to take back a state from the Tea Party victories of Nov. 2010).

Also, where is the RNC in Wisconsin or in helping Walker?!! I received 2 fundraising calls from them yesterday, but I have heard nothing about GOP assistance or funding in Wisconsin yet Dems are funddraising and paying for recalls, etc.

Thots anyone?

1 posted on 03/09/2011 8:57:51 AM PST by bushwon
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To: bushwon

It seems like when they win they win and when they lose they win. Either way, not matter what it seems like they always win.


2 posted on 03/09/2011 9:00:55 AM PST by Anima Mundi (If you try to fail and you succeed , what have you just done?)
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To: bushwon

Seems to me that I read that you couldn’t recall an elected official in Wisconsin within a year of them taking office.

I know its 6 months in michigan


3 posted on 03/09/2011 9:01:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: bushwon

It’s going to be interesting to see how this recall effort turns out in the end.


4 posted on 03/09/2011 9:03:36 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: bushwon
Public employee unions should be given the choice between keeping their unions and keeping civil service protections, not both.

Even then, the employer shouldn't be forced to hire only union members and collect dues.

If the union is providing a worthwhile service, then the members will willingly pay the dues.

I wonder how many union members would tell their unions to go pound sand if given the choice.

When the right to work is put ahead of the right to collective bargaining, then I will believe that unions are serious about worker's rights.

5 posted on 03/09/2011 9:04:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cripplecreek

Correct. In Wisconsin you must be in office for a year before you can be re-called. Only half of the state Senators are eligible for recall. Almost all the Repubs being targeted are in districts that voted heavily for Walker.. With the opposite being true for the Dems. It’s gonna be a tough slog for the Dems to make any ground. They are more likely to lose ground.


6 posted on 03/09/2011 9:05:51 AM PST by Daus
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To: bushwon

Several armys of union and Obama front groups can force a recall, no doubt. Whether it will go any further than that is anyone’s guess. We shouldn’t be surprised that they’re going to throw everything they can at conservatives. They’re trying to stop reform in all the other states in the union. But if we’re right, there’s only one thing to do, and that’s keep on fighting. BTW, we’re right. They’re wrong, and if things continue the way they are, they’ll get what’s coming to them.


7 posted on 03/09/2011 9:06:43 AM PST by yup2394871293
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To: cripplecreek

You are right — it’s 1 year in WI.


8 posted on 03/09/2011 9:08:16 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bushwon

These e-mails only show the definition of “pay”. That’s all.

It is perfectly reasonable to define “pay” as those payments made to the employee, particularly if they appear as separate line items in a pay stub, but are then summed up to calculate taxes, etc. The IRS considers overtime, hazardous duty, etc. as income, so why shouldn’t the State of Wisconsin.

Total non-event. Just some lawyers defining “pay” and I think they got it right.

Walker has NOT changed his position, IMHO.


9 posted on 03/09/2011 9:10:07 AM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Vigilanteman

The employer is not forced to hire only union members, The State of WI hires contractors working through staffing agencies and tell the public that they are saving money. What actually happens is that the wages paid to the Contracting agency far exceeds the wages and benefits that a State employee makes, often multiple times what a State employee is making.

Let’s really save the State of WI money and allow contractors to become State employees.


10 posted on 03/09/2011 9:13:12 AM PST by DonkeyBonker
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To: bushwon

Scott walker is on newstalk 1130 with vickie mckenna online. right now


11 posted on 03/09/2011 9:14:04 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Daus

It should be spread far and wide in the media to expose it as one more union lie.

The unions are collecting money for a recall effort they know damned well isn’t going to happen.


12 posted on 03/09/2011 9:15:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill; All

Vicki McKenna 1130 WISN radio has Governor Walker on program right now.

I doubt people aware of all the benefits that these State Employees are entitled to that private sector workers are not—

Ex. Stacking of overtime...you can be out your regular shift, get paid on sick day, then go in and work a back-to-back second shift and get time and a half. So people are scheduling themselves to do just that.

That is not reasonable—esp. in a state that has no money!!!


13 posted on 03/09/2011 9:17:10 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon; All

http://www.newstalk1130.com/main.html

To hear Governor Walker live on air.


14 posted on 03/09/2011 9:18:27 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: hondact200

Indeed, thank you and I posted a link!


15 posted on 03/09/2011 9:19:56 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Anima Mundi
NOPE! This could have been a BIG win in Walker's column if he would have nipped it in the butt!! He gave the EVIL SOB'S too much time to regroup and solidify. HE BLEW IT BIG TIME!! YOU STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT!! That is the problem with the STUPID PUBS at the hill too!!! UGH! I'm finished with all of them... I despise politicians to the core!!! The only thing that comforts me is GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL and SITTING IN HIS THRONE!!HE will have the last word!!
16 posted on 03/09/2011 9:26:19 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: DonkeyBonker
Contractors can be hired for various reasons, two of the most common being that they current employees lack the expertise to do what the contractor is asked to do or the contractor supplements the workload which the existing staff cannot handle. Theoretically, at least, that is how it is supposed to work in the private sector.

When we talk about public employment, the reasons for using contractors multiply. To the common list, you can add such things as an end-run to hiring freezes or political payback and money laundering for campaign favors.

The bottom line is that most states and localities where public employee unions call the shots also have laws in place where these governmental units also have to pay prevailing union wages to these contractors. And somehow, mysteriously, non-union contractors seldom get selected.

17 posted on 03/09/2011 9:40:01 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RoseofTexas

I agree. Walker has let this drone on to long. If you give these criminals any time at all they will regroup and counter attack. They usually win.

We get the hammer but are afraid to use it because we don’t want to appear “unreasonable”. At the same time the libs can be completely lawless and nothing is said.

Note to Repubs. STOP TRYING TO PLAY NICE WITH TYRANTS!!


18 posted on 03/09/2011 9:42:08 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: bushwon
From article: "Efforts to recall 14 Republican and Democratic senators in Wisconsin....."

Huh! 14 Republicans?

19 posted on 03/09/2011 9:53:03 AM PST by Spunky (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Walker has NOT changed his position, IMHO

I agree. Mandatory OT, hazard pay, etc is all part of wages. Walker has clarified, not changed, what was meant by wages, and I don't consider any of it unreasonable.

20 posted on 03/09/2011 10:01:12 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd; Andy from Chapel Hill
Walker has NOT changed his position, IMHO.

Good to know, thanks for posting. Hard to see thru all the chaff.

21 posted on 03/09/2011 10:24:11 AM PST by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: bushwon

I wonder if this article is bs. I don’t recall any Republicans helping the Dems.

Sounds more like the Dems trying to include or make this the Republicans fault which seems to be their top priority everywhere.


22 posted on 03/09/2011 10:24:38 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: bushwon

The DNC and Obama’s campaign are sending in funding and operatives to run the recalls, both on the ones that can be recalled now, and the Republicans that can be recalled early next year.

Their goal is to wipe us out here in WI (and in OH, IN, and FL) before 2012 so they can steam roll us in the Presidential election, a fillabuster proof Dem senate, and give Pelosi the gavel again.


23 posted on 03/09/2011 10:31:42 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: bushwon

I think Rush just said that these emails being discussed are old emails from before polls indicating the gov is winning the argument with voters.


24 posted on 03/09/2011 10:36:06 AM PST by stockpirate (Underemployment, surged in February to 19.9%)
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To: RoseofTexas
"and SITTING IN HIS THRONE"

..and doing nothing (i.e. 9/11).

25 posted on 03/09/2011 10:45:04 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: bushwon
The recall of 5 Republican state senators is funded from national public union dues, and pushed by moveon.org. WI Republicans cannot match funds nor organize on anywhere near the scale of the Union attack on WI taxpayers.

None of the five have done anything to warrant a recall. Some have just run an election campaign, and have NO funds for another this soon.

The key provision in Walker's Budget Repair Bill is the provision to stop the state from collecting union dues. Everyone seems to miss this - including many conservative talk show pundits (the guy who sat in for GB today was unable to understand that everything else in the bill is fungible execpt that.

This whole thing is simply boiling down to two things:
1) Can the public unions maintain their control over WI government as they have for the past 40 years or not? (While using continuing to use WI residents as a source of ready cash).

2) Without WI in the Dem column in 2012, Obizmo will not win.

Thus these five state senators must be made into examples lest other states follow suit by cutting off union funding and thus Dem election funds.

26 posted on 03/09/2011 11:58:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Anima Mundi

They will not have won, once they collapse our system of government and we are a third world hell hole caught up in civil war.


27 posted on 03/09/2011 12:16:30 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: PIF

I agree...what result do you think will likely occur?


28 posted on 03/09/2011 2:21:14 PM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: bushwon

We must start planning to go after the most vulnerable democrat senators now.

There are three that are very vulnerable. They are in swing districts and the money to get them recalled would be the most effective. Most republicans are not is swing districts.

We need to start planning right now. If it appears that others have pissed off enough people in their areas, we need to add them in and plan to get them recalled.

We also need to make sure David Prosser, currently a WI supreme court justice, wins re-election this April for another 10 year term. Right now the court is 4-3 conservative (and each side hates the other) so we need him to win so the libs don’t send every piece of legislation to the courts and have a liberal 4-3 court continually strike down laws passed by Walker and the legislature.


29 posted on 03/09/2011 3:58:15 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Rick_Michael

Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights (18-1)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2686281/posts

If Walker wins this one, then maybe other states will follow forcing the Unions to spread their money around.

As for the recall elections, if Walker wins, then is very likely that no matter how much money the Union spends, they will lose - hinging on voter turn out. The WI public will have to chose between being taxpayers who run the state or Union cash machines who do what they are told as they have for 40 years.


30 posted on 03/09/2011 4:39:58 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Daus

>> It’s gonna be a tough slog for the Dems to make any ground. They are more likely to lose ground.

The Republicans should not underestimate the influence of Leftist propaganda and the often fickle nature of the voter. The GOP is notoriously ignorant on this front.


31 posted on 03/09/2011 10:33:40 PM PST by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

As I posted in the other thread, the worst thing that can happen is if the GOP gets complacent on the recalls for the Fleebagger 14 now that the bill has passed.

The Dems will push recalls nonstop the next 12-months. So the GOP must push them as well on the vulnerable members of the Fleebagger 14. That way if the GOP loses a seat or two, they stand a chance of picking up one in these other districts.


32 posted on 03/09/2011 10:37:34 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: SteveAustin

>> the worst thing that can happen is if the GOP gets complacent

Definitely in this case, but is that not the GOP’s problem in general? Yeah, the “compassionate conservatives” are a bunch of frauds, but if we ignore those RINOs, the rest still seem to lose their orientation by the stroke of a feather. Maybe things will be different with the TPE class.


33 posted on 03/09/2011 11:51:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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