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The Education Department's 82% Failure Rate
IBD Editorials ^ | March 10, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 03/10/2011 5:32:11 PM PST by Kaslin

Government: Education Secretary Arne Duncan blames — you guessed it — George W. Bush for the steep decline of public schools. How much failure does it take for politicians to recognize government as the problem?

It was shock time at the House Education and Workforce Committee on Wednesday. The U.S. Department of Education unveiled an almost unbelievable number regarding the breakdown of the public school system: By next year, some 82% of all U.S. public schools could be failing.

Secretary Duncan, in warning the panel, actually echoed longtime criticisms of federal education policy.

"By mandating and prescribing one-size-fits-all solutions," Duncan charged, the Bush administration's bipartisan No Child Left Behind law "took away the ability of local and state educators to tailor solutions to the unique needs of their students."

President Obama's purported answer is a political no-brainer: cut the locals some slack from federal rules.

But what Duncan actually proposes has been described as "a single national assessment system" by critics like University of Arkansas professor of education reform Sandra Stotsky, who was a longtime commissioner in the Massachusetts public school system.

A year and a half ago, Duncan was telling the National Press Club that the various state educational benchmarks amounted to "a race to the bottom" because "we have 50 different standards, 50 different goal posts."

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1 posted on 03/10/2011 5:32:13 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

There are no words.


2 posted on 03/10/2011 5:37:26 PM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: Kaslin
""a race to the bottom" because "we have 50 different standards, 50 different goal posts."

Ruh-Roh....

She forgot to check with The Messiah; as there are 57 States.

She didn't know that, and she's the Top "Educator" in this Country?????

ROFL

3 posted on 03/10/2011 5:39:04 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Kaslin

Keep the immigrants coming and get rid of the 3 Rs in favor of social consciousness and diversity training.

That should get us out of this pickle.


4 posted on 03/10/2011 5:39:12 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Kaslin

“By mandating and prescribing one-size-fits-all solutions,” Duncan charged, the Bush administration’s bipartisan No Child Left Behind law “took away the ability of local and state educators to tailor solutions to the unique needs of their students.”

It’s Bush’s, and yet it’s bipartisan. I guess that means Bush couldn’t make up his mind whether he was a Democrat or a Republican when he signed it.


5 posted on 03/10/2011 5:41:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Kaslin

The White House can’t pass new laws so they put new regulations and controls on people. Dictators. What’s the difference between a law and a regulation?


6 posted on 03/10/2011 5:42:06 PM PST by RC2
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To: Kaslin
Department of Education proves that the more money you throw at a problem, the fewer solutions you get.

Try firing those in charge and cutting their budgets to the bone. If they want money, make them show results FIRST. Reward only success.

7 posted on 03/10/2011 5:44:37 PM PST by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: Kaslin

Simple solutions work.

CLOSE the U.S. Department of Education, end it now.

Let the state and local school boards run the schools, finance them and be responsible for the results......


8 posted on 03/10/2011 5:44:47 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kaslin

Here’s a scary story for you.
Last week I was turning in paperwork to enroll my daughter in 9th grade for this fall. They gave me some papers to take home. By mistake, they gave me a transcript of a 10th grade student that was tranfering from one Colorado school district to this school. This students GPA was 1.4. The scary part is that she ranked 348 out of 490. 30% of her class was doing worse than she was! Amazing!


9 posted on 03/10/2011 5:45:32 PM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: Kaslin
Conveniently for DemonRats, the media has forgotten that this was that grand educator, Ted “Killer Whale” Kennedy's bill.
10 posted on 03/10/2011 5:46:05 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (It's not the *Prince of Fools* but rather the *fools* that are the problem)
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To: Kaslin
The other 18% are failures as well!

If children are learning in the so-called successful schools it is because their parents and the children are AFTERSCHOOLING!

I would like to see the **proof** that the “successful” schools have anything at all to do with the academic success of the children attending. I would bet my entire 401K that if looked at carefully, nearly all of that success happened IN THE HOME. The schools had LITTLE to do with it.

Think about it. Ask successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children about what they are doing IN THE HOME. Anecdotally, you will find that both sets of families have very similar home habits. Both the successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children are spending the **SAME** amount of **TIME** in study IN THE HOME at the kitchen table or child's desk!

So?...If it is really parents and children who are doing the hard work IN THE HOME, why are we spending THOUSANDS of dollars a year per child on schools that are ALL failures??? Huh?

If every government school in this nation were to close tomorrow the **same** children who are getting an education today, would get one tomorrow. Why? Answer: Because all of the REAL work is being done IN THE HOME!

11 posted on 03/10/2011 5:49:12 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Texas Fossil

That won’t really help either. As a teacher I implore you to demand the privatization of education before the likes of “Wisconsin’s Brightest” destroy it altogether.


12 posted on 03/10/2011 5:50:17 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (It's not the *Prince of Fools* but rather the *fools* that are the problem)
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To: wintertime
I teach Science and Math and if you could see my "afterschooling" schedule it would validate your point.

I just wish the school system didn't have a monopoly on daytime hours.

13 posted on 03/10/2011 5:53:36 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (It's not the *Prince of Fools* but rather the *fools* that are the problem)
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To: Kaslin

The whole thing is hopeless and will never change. We just go round and round. Let parents (or teachers whom the parents trust and hire) teach kids to read, write, and do arithmetic on a grammar school level. If a kid wants to learn history, he can read a book; if he wants to learn a language, he can get Rosetta Stone. Same with science and anything else. Public schools are obsolete, and in many cases devisive and they usurp parental authority They sure are expensive enough.

NY state is thinking about adding 20 more days to their school calendar, with an eight hour day. That probably means that schools will have more time with students than the parents will. It’s ridiculous. Stop the insanity. It’s nuts.


14 posted on 03/10/2011 5:54:45 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: wintertime

I gave up on public schools a long time ago. And we have some of the better ones in the country here in northern Colorado Springs.

I agree wintertime that anything learned by a child is IN SPITE of public school not because of it.

Homeschooling is the only choice we have as concerned parents. My 15 y/o is doing great, and she is able to make such better decisions that her private schooled and public schooled sisters.

She has never been inside a public classroom her whole life and I wouldn’t have it any other way.


15 posted on 03/10/2011 5:56:51 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Kaslin

With salary and perks teachers are bringing in close to a hundred grand a year for an 8 month a year job. The obvious solution is to give them another hundred grand a year, fewer students to teach, and more ‘earth day’ type classes to teach... /s


16 posted on 03/10/2011 5:57:14 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: Kaslin; ElkGroveDan; holdonnow; flat; bitt; SeekAndFind; NorwegianViking; justiceseeker93

Here’s a report issued in 1983 when President Reagan was in office regarding the state of America’s education. I had the honor of helping provide the committee (that issued this report) with students paperwork, school district curriculum, and photocopied examples of pages out of textbooks to illustrate their poor quality and content. The NEA has been using their propaganda in our public schools for three or more decades.

A NATION AT RISK

http://www.ed.gov/pubs/NatAtRisk/risk.html

“...If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war. As it stands, we have allowed this to happen to ourselves. We have even squandered the gains in student achievement made in the wake of the Sputnik challenge. Moreover, we have dismantled essential support systems which helped make those gains possible. We have, in effect, been committing an act of unthinking, unilateral educational disarmament...”


17 posted on 03/10/2011 5:59:59 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin
Please, please, abolish the US Department of Education. I believe it was established around 1985. Before which, America single-handedly, walked on the Moon, prevailed in World Wars, built the aviation industry, gave humanity culture-turning inventions.

The human nature of it is that we the people will find or insist on competent education, with NO need, none, for centralized federal government interdiction. Basic Algebra has NOT changed since 1060 AD.

Really, just eliminate the US Dept of Education! The States, or the local jurisdictions, CAN administer it (as they did for decades). This is a teacher speaking.

Johnny Suntrade

18 posted on 03/10/2011 6:02:23 PM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Brilliant
“By mandating and prescribing one-size-fits-all solutions,” Duncan charged, the Bush administration’s bipartisan No Child Left Behind law “took away the ability of local and state educators to tailor solutions to the unique needs of their students.

Isn't that rich...coming from the folks who always want to centralize everything in DC...I am sure she'll join us then in dumping the Dept. of (un)Educationing

19 posted on 03/10/2011 6:03:27 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Kaslin
"a race to the bottom" because "we have 50 different standards, 50 different goal posts."

So the huge federal program that is Teddy Kennedy’s ‘No Child Left Behind’ is a failure.

So if a huge federal program is a failure what is the right thing to do?

Well if you are a Dimocrat the answer is obvious create an even larger and more expensive federal program.

Oh, and do not even think of abolishing the previous failure, we could not possibly do that!

20 posted on 03/10/2011 6:03:43 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Kaslin
Just think what would happen if all those tax dollars spent on education and the educrats and their bureaucracy and corrupt unions actually went to the parents of children for their education.

I can think of a lot of things I could do for the kids if I didn't have to pay my feudal serfdom fees (i.e., property taxes) to rent my property from the government and fund public schools.

21 posted on 03/10/2011 6:09:32 PM PST by elk
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To: Texas Fossil

Do my eyes deceive me? Is the Secretary of Education admitting that Central Planning doesn’t work for education? Why the alternative would be...

Free enterprise? No, that would be unthinkable!


22 posted on 03/10/2011 6:09:38 PM PST by Qout
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To: wintertime

“If every government school in this nation were to close tomorrow the **same** children who are getting an education today, would get one tomorrow. Why? Answer: Because all of the REAL work is being done IN THE HOME!”

Yes, that pretty much nails it. A large part of educational mythology is the belief that any gains that students make are a direct result of what goes on in the school. Educrats can’t fathom that people can learn anything on their own.


23 posted on 03/10/2011 6:23:42 PM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: goldi

They have no incentive to get better, only incentive to get worse. The premise is always “We’re doing poorly because we don’t have enough money,” so the worse they do, the more money they need.


24 posted on 03/10/2011 6:37:59 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Qout

Central planning never has and never will work.

Limited human knowledge within the most brilliant of us keeps it from happening.

Another hand planned this life we live, and he must be laughing at our efforts to “plan our future”.


25 posted on 03/10/2011 6:51:38 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kaslin
We are currently under the rule of an entire race of pre-psychotic juvenile delinquents.


26 posted on 03/10/2011 6:53:01 PM PST by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (Incidentally, one can get beaten up in school simply by referring to oneself as one.)
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To: Kaslin
50 different standards, 50 different goal posts.

That is EXACTLY what is so great about the United States. We get 50 different models of experimentation. The best systems succeed, naturally. Other states emulate what works and eschew what doesn't work in the poorly scoring states. Plus, people and businesses both vote with their feet and move to the successful states.

With a one-size-fits-all federal model, every state is GUARANTEED to fail.

27 posted on 03/10/2011 6:56:19 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Kaslin

“By mandating and prescribing one-size-fits-all solutions,” Duncan charged, the Bush administration’s bipartisan No Child Left Behind law “took away the ability of local and state educators to tailor solutions to the unique needs of their students.”

Notice how fat boy Teddy skates on this one.


28 posted on 03/10/2011 6:58:55 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: jnsun

Yes, close it totally. Win-Win!

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/index.html

“ED currently administers a budget of $69.9 billion in discretionary appropriations (including discretionary Pell Grant funding) under the FY 2011 Continuing Resolution annualized level and operates programs that touch on every area and level of education. The Department’s elementary and secondary programs annually serve nearly 14,000 school districts and approximately 56 million students attending some 99,000 public schools and 34,000 private schools. Department programs also provide grant, loan, and work-study assistance to more than 15 million postsecondary students.”

Close it and all that spending goes away, and I am convinced that the quality of education would greatly improve...Win-Win!!!


29 posted on 03/10/2011 7:02:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Aevery_Freeman; Texas Fossil

“...demand the privatization of education...”

Yes. Privatization is what is needed. I believe that the crux of the matter is in our state compulsory education laws.

Compulsory education laws enable the states to appropriate tax money. Then we get people in various levels of government trying to figure out just how that money gets spent rather than what’s best for any particular student.

Does my reasoning make sense?


30 posted on 03/10/2011 7:03:19 PM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: paint_your_wagon

There was a time when local governments were in total control of their schools. They were public schools with local control, local hiring, local taxing, local funding, local supervision. That seemed to work with little resources.

That is not the case now.

Would private schools work? Possibly but there is no pattern that supports that now.


31 posted on 03/10/2011 7:07:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Kaslin

There would be absolutely no loss if this whole department were defunded and disbanded.


32 posted on 03/10/2011 7:24:04 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s amazing how far we are away from what you describe.

It’s hard to imagine the Federal and State governments loosening their control of the system. Lot’s of money at stake.

It just seems more practical for parents to homeschool, or afterschool. There may be opportunities for some teachers to work within that market.


33 posted on 03/10/2011 7:34:59 PM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: Aevery_Freeman

They didn’t forget...


34 posted on 03/10/2011 8:16:09 PM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: Texas Fossil

There was a time when local governments were in total control of their schools. They were public schools with local control, local hiring, local taxing, local funding, local supervision.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let’s call the above what it was and what it would be if we returned to it:

**Collectivism,

**Socialism,

**Voter mob control over the heart and souls of the captive children and parents under the thumb of the government to use it, and the feudal serfs ( misnamed property tax payers) force to pay for it.

ALL compulsory attendance, compulsory funded, government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination! This is true even if the school district was the size of suburban housing development.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing **all** education on every level.


35 posted on 03/10/2011 8:55:50 PM PST by wintertime
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To: jnsun
1979.......

:}

36 posted on 03/10/2011 10:52:29 PM PST by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: Kaslin

I’d like to add, stop it with that “Integrated Math” crap!
That just teaches kids to hate Math.


37 posted on 03/10/2011 11:02:13 PM PST by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Galtoid
There are no words.

I can find a few...

A Nation at Risk- 1983

and

A Nation Still at Risk- 2008

and

Teacher Tenure Reform- 2010

38 posted on 03/11/2011 11:19:25 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Aevery_Freeman; Kaslin
"By mandating and prescribing one-size-fits-all solutions," Duncan charged, the Bush administration's bipartisan No Child Left Behind law "took away the ability of local and state educators to tailor solutions to the unique needs of their students."

This is hilarious beyond words. Of course Bush was stupid beyond words for allowing "partisanship (the old 'Rat definition)" to sucker him into signing on to this turkey. He should not have signed it; but...

Who wrote and pushed the Bill? and suckered or blackmailed Bush into signing it? Was it part of military appropriations?
I will have to back up are research that. But...

Conveniently for DemonRats, the media has forgotten that this was that grand educator, Ted “Killer Whale” Kennedy's bill.

39 posted on 03/11/2011 11:39:53 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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