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City agrees to lower test scores for police exam
Dayton Daily News ^ | 3/10/2011

Posted on 03/10/2011 5:44:19 PM PST by Altura Ct.

DAYTON — The city’s Civil Service Board and the U.S. Department of Justice have agreed on a lower passing score for the police recruit exam after it was rejected because not enough blacks passed the exam.

The city lowered both written exams a combined 15 points that resulted in 258 more people passing the exam, according to a statement released Thursday by Civil Service officials. The agreement allows the city to immediately resume its plans to hire police and firefighters.

The original passing scores determined by Civil Service required candidates to answer 57 of 86 (66 percent) questions correctly on one portion and 73 of 102 (72 percent) on the other. The lowered benchmark requires candidates to answer 50 of 86 (58 percent) questions correctly and 64 of 102 (63 percent) of questions on the other.

A total of 748 people passed the exam under the new benchmarks. It is unclear the demographics of those who passed.

The passing candidates will undergo preliminary background checks and, once that hurdle is cleared, will be subject to an oral interview. Those dates have not been determined.

The Justice Department’s rejection of the passing scores last month delayed the city’s firefighter’s exam that was slated for April 2. A makeup date has yet to be set for the exam.

The city said it wants to put new hires on the street in both police and fire departments by next year to replace dozens of retirees that have left public safety forces near all-time lows.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; ericholder; ericholderspeople; mypeople

1 posted on 03/10/2011 5:44:29 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Sounds racist. Also stupid.


2 posted on 03/10/2011 5:53:52 PM PST by clintonh8r (Member Emeritus of Vitriolics Anonymous.)
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To: clintonh8r

Makes perfect sense. You just want mules capable of executing simple tasks.

Actually thinking about the philosophical, historical, economic aspects of an command based edict only invites problems.


3 posted on 03/10/2011 5:59:14 PM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: Altura Ct.

So now they can reject some better candidates in the name of meeting their quota.

Outrageous racial discrimination.


4 posted on 03/10/2011 6:00:10 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Altura Ct.

How is hiring dumber cops good?


5 posted on 03/10/2011 6:02:40 PM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: Altura Ct.

Political Correctness is designed by cultural Marxists to destroy us from within.

Don’t allow it. Merit works, nothing else does. Skin color has nothing to do with ability to do the job. Standards should never be lowered. It will ruin the force.

The quality is reduced to make it a worthless outfit. Quotas are unconstitutional anyways.


6 posted on 03/10/2011 6:04:58 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: ConservativeChris

It’s great if you’re a government who wants paramilitary thugs who blindly follow orders.


7 posted on 03/10/2011 6:05:06 PM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: Altura Ct.
the U.S. Department of Justice is a Racist Enterprise.

8 posted on 03/10/2011 6:12:06 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Altura Ct.

A victory for...?

Smart criminals?


9 posted on 03/10/2011 6:15:01 PM PST by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: Altura Ct.

Why, not enough white men passing the exam?


10 posted on 03/10/2011 6:17:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ConservativeChris
One of the big reasons public employees are so screwed up is affirmative action. It destroys worker morale and makes merit and dedication meaningless. It's hard to have faith in a system that continues to promote illiterate morons who are a certain gender or color. It will get even worse now that sexual perverts are added to the special group.
11 posted on 03/10/2011 6:18:51 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Altura Ct.

I guess Detroit public sector union workers are happy they don’t have Scott Walker as governor.


12 posted on 03/10/2011 6:19:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: peeps36

Where I worked they had a huge deal to get more women and minorities promoted. I lost a couple promotions because of it. Told to my face. More important to promote women.

Saw the writing on the wall, gave them 4 weeks notice. My section boss was shocked saying he had such great plans for me. It was the first I ever heard about it.


13 posted on 03/10/2011 6:22:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: clintonh8r

Bump.


14 posted on 03/10/2011 6:24:02 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: Altura Ct.

Before affirmative action / quotas you may have needed 90% or more to get hired. It used to be “most qualified” then it became “qualified” and standards, as we can see, can be lowered until the right quotas are met. No wonder so many government agencies are filled with incompetents.


16 posted on 03/10/2011 6:29:09 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Altura Ct.
I got knocked out in the infamous 33% Police exam in Mass in the 70’s. It pissed me off but I found there was life without civil service.
17 posted on 03/10/2011 6:31:01 PM PST by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a Poofter.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Which were the racist questions? Just take THOSE out.


18 posted on 03/10/2011 6:32:50 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Altura Ct.
The city’s Civil Service Board and the U.S. Department of Justice have agreed on a lower passing score for the police recruit exam after it was rejected because not enough blacks passed the exam.

holder and "his people"!

19 posted on 03/10/2011 6:36:57 PM PST by parisa
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To: Altura Ct.
The passing candidates will undergo preliminary background checks

I imagine the results of these background checks will be deemed "racist" as well.

20 posted on 03/10/2011 6:39:04 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: Altura Ct.
So now they are going below the 80 IQ level. since 85 had been the previous average.
21 posted on 03/10/2011 6:39:10 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Altura Ct.
Let me guess.

It was racists that kept these poor Blacks from attending public schools where they could have gotten the same education as all other Americans and would have scored higher on these tests.

22 posted on 03/10/2011 6:43:48 PM PST by blam
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To: Altura Ct.

This is nothing, they get to carry guns too.


23 posted on 03/10/2011 6:52:00 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Altura Ct.

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this new “post racial” America getting more and more racist.

Do you actually think that countries like China, India, or China would EVER lower their standards just to accomodate lesser competent people? NO! Students and workers their COMPETE for university slots and jobs....only the best of the best get it. That is what COMPETITIVE nations do to succeed.

How is America supposed to compete against the world if they are striving for excellence, and we strive for mediocrity?

Have we lost our minds? I cry again at the downward spiral of my beloved America.


24 posted on 03/10/2011 7:03:45 PM PST by DecentAmerican
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To: Altura Ct.

It sounds like it’s time for a Police Academy remake.


25 posted on 03/10/2011 7:10:03 PM PST by texsean (Fight the future!)
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To: Leisler

You don’t need much sense to harass your fellow man AT WILL, write tickets, eat donuts and then shoot their dogs...


26 posted on 03/10/2011 7:17:07 PM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Where I work, almost every senior manager is now a minority, a woman, usually black, or a foreigner. When I started 14 years ago, I would say around 75% were white men. Now it is 10-15%. And I work at a large warehouse with many managers.

I am not trying to get a promotion and like where I am, but many others are being passed over or quitting.


27 posted on 03/10/2011 7:22:30 PM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Yep...here comes another Detroit....


28 posted on 03/10/2011 7:24:42 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: Altura Ct.

Stupid is as stupid does.


29 posted on 03/10/2011 7:24:54 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: packrat35

The tax/slave/debt state government depends upon it’s workers to extract money from us. If they want to hire the dumbest, fine by me. Personally, I have no need for police, nor anyone I know.


30 posted on 03/10/2011 7:34:33 PM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: TASMANIANRED
You can't discriminate against retards in Dayton. You HAVE to put them on the police force.

BTW, why even bother with a test, if it doesn't matter anyway? You're black? HIRED!

31 posted on 03/10/2011 7:36:43 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop
It's worse than you think,the law suit was brought during the Bush administration which pushed it through, that compassionate Conservatism you know.It was started by city commissioner Joey Williams who sued his own city because he's a fighter for diversity and civil rights according to the local media.Now you might ask surely the news media might be curious about how lower standards and unqualified police officers could be a danger to the public safety and would report on the consequences of such a dangerous policy right? Well the # 1 TV station in town which like the local paper is Cox owned won't report that aspect of the story.Of course I don't think Natasha Williams who is Joey's wife as well as an anchor for the local TV station as well as her friends on the local newspaper want to do anything but applaud this progressive policy. The city and county is controlled by democrats and "civil rights activists" and they are beside themselves trying to save one of the local reverends caught looting programs for the poor especially since he is the former head of the national SCLC. The local "civil rights activist" are upset because he's under house arrest while waiting trail and it's wrong as well as racist to treat a community leader with years of service in such a degrading way.Both our local officials and the news media assure us the proper safe guards are in place and it will never happen again so we should not only renew but increase the human services levy because the need is so great. NCR,Mead Paper and other companies have left in recent years and no one in local media or government can figure out why.
32 posted on 03/10/2011 8:21:45 PM PST by bonehead4freedom
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To: Altura Ct.

This is racist!! To lower the standards so citizen’s of a different race can pass the qualification test doesn’t change anything. They would still have lower test scores than the folks that scored higher! And if you hire the lower qualified test score folks over the higher test score folks (simply because of race) .... that is govermental RACISM!! Not only is that illegal, it is wrong. How can this crap be allowed to stand..... the court’s should not allow this. But to eliminate/correct this kind of racist activity by goverment can only be corrected by law-abiding judges. Not sure fair minded, non-political judges are in large numbers anymore.


33 posted on 03/10/2011 8:40:05 PM PST by CardeadInKy ("The problem with Liberalism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Marg Thatcher)
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To: Altura Ct.

I read the comments and truly Eric Holder and Barack Obama are sticking it to the Anglo, legally or illegally, for the next 1.5 years, minimum.

This is symptomatic of every bureaucracy, including firms I have worked for, who crave promoting a non-White to any position of power, visibility or prominence.

The EEOC and all of the Leftists know that left to their own devices (merit/hard work/intellect), the achievement and professional gaps would be so great that it would be even more embarrassing for the results of the Great Society, which has killed the black family and society in the US.

Dumbing down, promoting for color/gender/sexual preference makes people resentful and clearly you are not getting the best at what they do.

It’s a Utopian lie, but the Commies push it every day.


34 posted on 03/10/2011 10:17:44 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: ConservativeChris

As holder said, “My People”


35 posted on 03/11/2011 2:10:56 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Altura Ct.

I do feel sorry for the black people who are capable and intelligent................they have to completely cringe when they see things like this. Affirmative action has NO place in 2012. And this is from a person who used to believe in it!

I always wondered why black people don’t want it banned. It only makes everyone question whether they got their job fairly or not. I would be mortified to get a job just because of my race or gender.

IT’S 2012.....................SERIOUSLY FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 03/11/2011 3:16:36 AM PST by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Altura Ct.
I guess Kasich was right after all. *Idiot*
37 posted on 03/11/2011 10:30:51 AM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: Altura Ct.

Cops are dumb enough and now they want to hire people clinically retarded?


38 posted on 03/11/2011 10:31:44 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Altura Ct.
City agrees to lower test scores for police exam

Why?
They're not presently getting the desired quality of Rabid Unionized Thugs?

39 posted on 03/11/2011 7:32:45 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Leisler
The tax/slave/debt state government depends upon it’s workers to extract money from us. If they want to hire the dumbest, fine by me. Personally, I have no need for police, nor anyone I know.

As someone already pointed out, the central regime is demanding that public employees everywhere accept and execute orders without the handicap of being able to think or to reason.

Sound familiar?

40 posted on 03/11/2011 7:40:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: boop
BTW, why even bother with a test, if it doesn't matter anyway? You're black? HIRED!

When I was last in D.C., that apparently had already happened with the Capitol Police Force.

41 posted on 03/11/2011 7:43:00 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Publius6961

Are you saying someone wants people who will someday say, “I was just following orders”?


42 posted on 03/11/2011 7:43:30 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: GOPJ
Are you saying someone wants people who will someday say, “I was just following orders”?

Yes.
The unconstitutional "Executive Orders" he has been issuing in the dark of night and weekends, and the regulations issued by non-elected appointees could not otherwise be enforced.

People with the capacity to think can never "just follow orders."

43 posted on 03/11/2011 7:52:15 PM PST by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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