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Army reprimands 9 officers in Fort Hood shooting
AP/WorldMag ^ | Mar 10, 11:01 PM EST | LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 03/10/2011 8:35:23 PM PST by quantim

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nine Army officers are being reprimanded for leadership failures in connection with the shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, and their failure to detect and report problems with the accused shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, as he moved along in his medical career.

Saying that although no single event directly led to the tragedy, Army Secretary John McHugh found that certain officers failed to meet expected standards, an Army statement said Thursday. The officers - all lieutenant or above - will receive punishments ranging from an oral reprimand to the far more serious written letter of censure that is considered a career-ender.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: fthood; islam; jihad; nidalhasan
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1 posted on 03/10/2011 8:35:26 PM PST by quantim
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To: quantim

They probably would have been reprimanded for sounding the alarm. Damned if they did, damned if they didn’t.


2 posted on 03/10/2011 8:40:08 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: quantim

What medical specialty seems to attract more than it’s share of wackos?


3 posted on 03/10/2011 8:42:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: FlyVet

You’ve got that right. Todays military is strictly PC.


4 posted on 03/10/2011 8:42:54 PM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: quantim

Small consolation for the dead.
Anyway, these officers would have been “reprimanded” had they dared to bring the killer Muslim’s behavior to anybody’s attention in the first place. Damned if you do, etc.


5 posted on 03/10/2011 8:43:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: quantim

What a crock - those guys were not allowed to say that a Muslim was incompetent just like we are not allowed to say that Obama is incompetent. Telling the truth brands you as a racist. Their careers would have been over.


6 posted on 03/10/2011 8:44:37 PM PST by chickadee
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To: quantim

No way any officer could win with this situation. Any accusations of this guy would have been declared “racist.” Sounds like ass-covering by the Army.


7 posted on 03/10/2011 8:45:34 PM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: quantim

Which’ll probably mean 5 Privates, 3 specialists, and a Corporal will go to Leavenworth for 20 years each.


8 posted on 03/10/2011 8:47:15 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: quantim

Their parasitic leaders would have immediately used any complaint as the basis for a “discrimination” complaint against them and they would use it to advance their own careers!

Let’s see if anybody now makes a complaint against a Muslim in the ranks for being a suspected Jihadist! I doubt it!


9 posted on 03/10/2011 8:48:30 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: quantim
But the most blatant comment came AFTER the shooting; "Let's not rush to any conclusions."

Hmmm Who said that???

10 posted on 03/10/2011 8:49:31 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: FlyVet
Yep, no question about it. These are scapegoats...

BTW, Funny writing

"oral reprimand to the far more serious written letter of censure that is considered a career-ender".

There is no such thing as a 'small' reprimand in the Army. The opposite of Las Vegas, everything you do follows you for life.

There is no small reprimand in the Army. Screw up, wrong place wrong time, even by accident, whether you were right or wrong doesn't matter...You're done.

You can make it by, but your life is going to become a teenie tiny little bit more difficult.

11 posted on 03/10/2011 8:51:03 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

Yeah, especially officers. We used to say even an LOC was the kiss of death for them. Some of them I respected, some, not so much, but, they had a pretty tough row to how, in some ways.


12 posted on 03/10/2011 8:53:57 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: quantim

That would instead be failure to acknowledge and warn.


13 posted on 03/10/2011 8:56:09 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: FlyVet

“row to hoe”, that is.


14 posted on 03/10/2011 8:57:12 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: Sacajaweau
But the most blatant comment came AFTER the shooting; "Let's not rush to any conclusions." Hmmm Who said that???

Probably the same ones who blamed Palin and Limbaugh for the Giffords shooting about 30 seconds after it happened.

15 posted on 03/10/2011 8:57:45 PM PST by Zman516 (muslims, marxists, communists ---> satan's useful idiot corps)
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To: quantim
Anyone think General Casey will get gigged for his remarks?
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Political Correctness:

”A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

By spreading this definition around, perhaps we can employ one of the more effective methods of deflating and defeating the fools who practice and promote it: RIDICULE.

Unless stopped – and soon – PC will DESTROY Western Civilization -- if it hasn’t already.

PASS IT ON!!

THEN PASS THE KOOL AID!!


16 posted on 03/10/2011 8:58:52 PM PST by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: FlyVet
Once those lights roll, or you're on the Carpet...say goodbye.

Knew a really good guy, over 20yrs could never make Master because he had and Article when he was...like 19.

Really good guy, unbelievable physical stuff. Outrageous... he was a great guy. Last I heard he was in Iraq on the Iranian boarder.

In the Army, stuff just doesn't go away. Well, ... it can ... but normally you have to be underage or your father is a Senator. Then they will let it go sometimes.

17 posted on 03/10/2011 9:03:44 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: chickadee
When a society adopts PC and deems all cultures and societies as equal to their own, that society will be engulfed and destroyed.
18 posted on 03/10/2011 9:10:30 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: Zman516

Obama said it...........


19 posted on 03/10/2011 9:15:47 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: FlyVet
Just what I think. That is probably why they didn't sound the alarm.

Another scenario is that they were brainwashed in univ. and really are too PC to be alarmed.

I think it is O'reilly that does the little video every once in a while of the Fox guy--Watters?--interviewing. He interviewed at Columbia, and the students gave brain dead answers. Didn't seem to have a problem with Islam--Christianity was just as bad --alternate universe.

vaudine

20 posted on 03/10/2011 9:20:29 PM PST by vaudine
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To: 240B
I had an Article when I was a first-term Airman. A bit rebellious, I was, but it wasn't the end of the world. My boss was on my side, didn't think I deserved what I got, long story and all that. Still made E-7, mostly due to a lot of studying for promotion. Wasn't much of an award winner.

One of my Chiefs had an Article when he was a youngun. He made E-9, although it was rare to climb out of that hole and go all the way like he did. He was a pretty good guy.

There was a certain amount of redemption allowed, for us enlisted guys anyway, in the AF, as long as you worked hard and didn't screw up too much.

21 posted on 03/10/2011 9:27:59 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet
They probably would have been reprimanded for sounding the alarm. Damned if they did, damned if they didn’t.

Right on. You can just imagine his rater conniving, begging and calling in favors to get that Moslem out of his unit. Damned if they leaned on him, damned if they didn't. Isn't PC a great idea!!!

22 posted on 03/10/2011 9:32:06 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: FlyVet
They probably would have been reprimanded for sounding the alarm. Damned if they did, damned if they didn’t.

Right on. You can just imagine his rater conniving, begging and calling in favors to get that Moslem out of his unit. Damned if they leaned on him, damned if they didn't. Isn't PC a great idea!!!

23 posted on 03/10/2011 9:32:44 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: quantim
A Pentagon review last year found that Hasan's supervisors at Walter Reed Army Medical Center where he worked expressed serious concerns about his questionable behavior and poor judgment but failed to heed their own warnings. It said the Army psychiatrist's supervisors continued to give him positive performance evaluations that kept him moving up through the ranks despite worries about his strident views on Islam and worries about his competence.

When the shootings first happened, there were news reports that [while at Walter Reed] he was assigned to give a presentation within his specialty. Instead, he gave a rambling talk about how it was the duty of all good Muslims to kill Infidels ...

His behavior was reported immediately to superiors by other personnel who had attended the presentation - the superiors DID NOTHING !!!

24 posted on 03/10/2011 9:36:36 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...</i><p>)
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To: FlyVet
My guy, cold-cocked a luie and threw him up on his shoulders on a hot mission because the guy did not (really did not) know the difference of E or W.

He was taking his squad in the opposite direction of the 9 line. There was no time to lose and no time to debate. He was right but he was wrong so...hey what can you do?

25 posted on 03/10/2011 9:36:36 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Paladin2
What medical specialty seems to attract more than it’s share of wackos?

Years ago, a college prof told me that a high percentage of those who go into the psychology profession are doing so to find out what's wrong with themselves... Experience tells me it's so...

26 posted on 03/10/2011 9:38:19 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: 240B

Well LOL I don’t the difference between E or W or the 9 line either, you’d have to explain that to me. But I know what cold-cocking a louie on a hot mission means. Yeah, that cold-cocking of officers is generally frowned upon. Even if it had to be done.


27 posted on 03/10/2011 9:43:51 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

Line 1. Location of the pick-up site.

Line 2. Radio frequency, call sign, and suffix.

Line 3. Number of patients by precedence:
A - Urgent
B - Urgent Surgical
C - Priority
D - Routine
E - Convenience

Line 4. Special equipment required:
A - None
B - Hoist
C - Extraction equipment
D - Ventilator

Line 5. Number of patients:
A - Litter
B - Ambulatory

Line 6. Security at pick-up site:
N - No enemy troops in area
P - Possible enemy troops in area (approach with caution)
E - Enemy troops in area (approach with caution)
X - Enemy troops in area (armed escort required)
* In peacetime - number and types of wounds, injuries, and illnesses

Line 7. Method of marking pick-up site:
A - Panels
B - Pyrotechnic signal
C - Smoke signal
D - None
E - Other

Line 8. Patient nationality and status:
A - US Military
B - US Civilian
C - Non-US Military
D - Non-US Civilian
E - EPW

Line 9. NBC Contamination:
N - Nuclear
B - Biological
C - Chemical
* In peacetime - terrain description of pick-up site


28 posted on 03/10/2011 9:53:00 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: FlyVet

Was my first thought.

Imagine if any one of the 9 had actually done something, Imagine Chrissy tingles gettin that spot on his show...Rachel madcow....and of course anderson teabag cooper...Islamaphobe racists!


29 posted on 03/10/2011 9:58:09 PM PST by Freddd
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To: FlyVet

And they won’t get as good of a defense as the Muslim terrorist..


30 posted on 03/10/2011 9:59:59 PM PST by Freddd
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To: 240B

Nine line, NBC contamination. First Gulf War, by chance? Don’t know your timeline. Spent a few months over there in 96 and 97. Saddam rattled his saber at us a bit, had to go to MOPP 2 for a while, but no big deal. He didn’t shoot at us. I had it easy. My 20-year career was a bit strange in that way, we never got into anything too messy. Kept expecting it, didn’t happen. Who knew?


31 posted on 03/10/2011 10:00:07 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

Seriously...how could you not know that? Just a question...


32 posted on 03/10/2011 10:00:52 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: FlyVet
You are bringing back some...odd...memories.

That MOPP stuff. Wow. And the Liberals think Waterboarding is bad. HORRIBLE!

Put one of those terrorists in a MOPP suit for a couple hours. He will be begging to be waterboarded!

BTW, I just want to say off the side or whatever, it is fun, enjoyable engaging (speaking with you).

33 posted on 03/10/2011 10:06:23 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B

Maybe our nomenclature was different than yours? We made up our own Mobb checklists pertaining to the equipment involved. Don’t remember any of the line stuff you’re talking about. Plus,it’s over a decade in the past, and my memory fades....we were comm, not infantry. Big difference. In some ways, admittedly, our wartime training was lacking. We didn’t spend much time with M-16, our chemwar and first aid training was once a year for a few hours....


34 posted on 03/10/2011 10:08:30 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: vaudine

This lay at the feet of the Generals, who by way of their Washington connections collared all our military brass to lay out the party line to be towed—political correctness, or else. These officers played the only cards dealt to them by the higher ups, and are now in the bag while General Casey and the DC generals keep their cocktail hour right on time unencumbered. Disgusting.

I will never forget the outrageous statements of General Casey to the media on the day of the shooting. Sickening then and still is.


35 posted on 03/10/2011 10:19:22 PM PST by RitaOK
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To: 240B
I talked to a Chief I worked with before I retired, a few years ago. Some of his Airmen were sent to Iraq for convoy duty. He said they came back pretty rattled. In general, our guys were just not trained to handle that kind of stuff, like Marines or Army infantry are. We have our Security Police who train for Air Base Ground Defense, they get some pretty good combat training, and of course the Pararescue guys who go hardcore like the Green Berets or the SEALS, but in general, no, we do not get the hardcore training.

I deployed to Fort Drum for a week once, around 1990, we set up a tac unit, hospital, chow hall, perimeter, sandbag bunkers and all that. OPFOR was seasoned Rangers, the older guys, NCO's. MILES gear. They were using AK's with blanks, but without the muzzle plug. Man does that thing make an impressive muzzle flash at night. And the distinctive sound. Pop-pop-pop, that low cycle rate.

They freaking killed us three times over. Walked right through us. It was quite an eye-opener. You have to be trained for that stuff. We generally weren't.

36 posted on 03/10/2011 10:22:55 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: LaineyDee

Mine too, based on a cohort of friends going to med school.


37 posted on 03/10/2011 10:29:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: quantim

Why will the Army not reprimand the CIC and top brass for creating this sort of climate in their ranks?


38 posted on 03/10/2011 10:36:08 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: FlyVet
Ok, hey look I really have to hit the rack.
But it was a most entertaining conversation.

I think we could talk for hours.

Ft. Drum?
All I was told about Ft. Drum is that they have 8ft of snow on the ground in the winter. lol

You are a great person, an American patriot. Thank you for your time and your service to this Great country.

39 posted on 03/10/2011 10:41:31 PM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: 240B
You are a great person, an American patriot.

Thanks, but nope, at best I'm the most ordinary person you ever met.

My hat will always be off to the combat veterans. They pay the price.

40 posted on 03/10/2011 10:45:34 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: quantim

41 posted on 03/10/2011 11:14:47 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: chickadee

You got that correct.


42 posted on 03/10/2011 11:17:22 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: quantim
Simply amazing! You create a culture of "ethnic diversity" where you punish anyone who reports something bad about "a minority" and then you punish them further when they don't do anything that might have made the minority appear in a bad light.

Catch-22. I must be insane.

43 posted on 03/11/2011 3:31:45 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: quantim

Nine scapegoats to protect PC.


44 posted on 03/11/2011 4:17:05 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: chickadee

“What a crock - those guys were not allowed to say that a Muslim ...”

Once upon a tim in America a Man understood his responsibilities and did what he damn well had to in order to continue to be able to look in the mirror and consider himself a Man.

The feminization of the culture continues apace.


45 posted on 03/11/2011 4:21:54 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: chickadee
What a crock - those guys were not allowed to say that a Muslim was incompetent just like we are not allowed to say that Obama is incompetent. Telling the truth brands you as a racist. Their careers would have been over.

As opposed to now? Never be complicit in the crimes of your superiors in any venue -- if they are amoral enough to sacrifice you on the altar of political correctness they will certainly throw you under the bus to save their own skins.

46 posted on 03/11/2011 4:35:58 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: quantim; TomGuy; geezerwheezer; Supernatural; jpl; SueRae; FourtySeven; ovrtaxt; ScaniaBoy; ...
This is just absolute insanity. If someone told me this in conversation, I wouldn't believe it. I still remember what happened to LtC Anthony Shaffer and the Able Danger Team for speaking up about factual evidence that wasn't PC.

Any officer that had dared to speak the truth about Hassan would have jeopardized their own career. Now they are being used as scapegoats.

47 posted on 03/12/2011 8:52:07 AM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Baynative

When Zero was elected, I got yelled at by FReepers for saying that I would not join the military service with Zero as my CIC. I stand by my original statement.


48 posted on 03/12/2011 9:25:22 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: quantim

Great. Now that they’re figured out who to blame, can we put this guy Hasan on trial please?


49 posted on 03/12/2011 10:02:49 AM PST by jpl (Run Christie, run.)
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To: Baynative

EXACTLY RIGHT.
...BUMP!


50 posted on 03/12/2011 12:52:19 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM: The Liberal solution to every societal problem... Other People's Money.)
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