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Fire break out at nuclear power plant after Japanese quake (Declares nuclear emergency)
The National ^ | Mar 11, 2011 | The National

Posted on 03/11/2011 3:34:41 AM PST by TSgt

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To: Lessthantolerant

“trust me the media will blow this into a nuclear disaster, this will help slow reactor developent and building world wide”

Blow this? Nuclear power is not a conservative/liberal issue. Boiling water using the most poisonous substances known to man while thumbing your nose at mother mature will lead to a big wakeup call.

Human frailty and totally unacceptable leakages will result, ultimately, in disaster every time.


61 posted on 03/11/2011 8:38:36 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay
Nuclear power is safe. Everything has a risk. Coal plants have killed many people over the years with their stack emissions.
We need a larger nuclear industry, not a smaller one.
I prefer heating and cooling my home and vibrant economy.
Nuclear energy helps to make that possible.
62 posted on 03/11/2011 8:43:06 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Safe cause you say so. I’ve got a 160 points and years on construction projects as large as the Alaskan pipeline that tells me differently.

What do you got?


63 posted on 03/11/2011 8:50:38 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay

“What do you got?”

So tell us how many people have have died in nuclear plant accidents over the years?
And how many people have died from accidents at other types of power generation plants.

And then tell us since you don’t like nuclear power; what is your alternative for inexpensive, safe electricity?


65 posted on 03/11/2011 9:10:32 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: Lazamataz; AmericanInTokyo; Ronin
Please check in AIT.

He was on here this morning, Middle East time, not long after the earthquake hit. So was Ronin, but he was concerned about family in a harder-hit area and that this thing wasn't over.

It would sure be great to hear from both of you guys again.

66 posted on 03/11/2011 9:14:46 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Your answer was non-respnsive as to why your opinion should carry any weight. There is plenty of natural gas and oil in this country, as well as Canada and Mexico. New proven reserves should put an end to chicken little’s the sky is falling. Drill baby drill!


67 posted on 03/11/2011 9:20:09 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
"what is your alternative for inexpensive, safe electricity? "

Pebble-bed reactors. They don't get hot enuff to melt. they can't.

68 posted on 03/11/2011 9:26:47 AM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: TSgt

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Kyodo News Ticker

http://english.kyodonews.jp/photos/2011/03/76624.html

Radiation level rising in Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant turbine building (01:58)


69 posted on 03/11/2011 9:27:47 AM PST by BallandPowder
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crap

BBC

The Tokyo Electric Power Company has said the pressure inside the No. 1 reactor at its Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant has been rising, with the risk of a radiation leak, according to the Jiji Press news agency. Tepco planned to take measures to release the pressure, the report added. The reactor’s cooling system began to malfunction after the earthquake. People living close to the plant were later evacuated as a precaution.

Nuclear physicist Dr Walt Patterson tells the BBC it sounds like there is a “serious problem” at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant. “It’s the sort of thing that nuclear engineers have nightmares about,” he says. “If it is not resolved in the next few hours it will get serious. If the core is uncovered, then those rods at the top may get hot enough to melt themselves.”


70 posted on 03/11/2011 9:30:01 AM PST by janetjanet998
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To: at bay
“Your answer was non-respnsive as to why your opinion should carry any weight.”

You have given no reason why your opinion should carry any weight.
Give us what kind of engineering degree you have, and then tell us what what nuclear plants you have worked in. And what safety issues in the industry you have observed.

Telling us that your are an expert in nuclear safety because you have worked the Alaska pipeline doesn't cut it.

You may in fact be very knowledgeable, but I will trust the industries track record and PERSONAL knowledge of people who work in the industry, over hearsay on the Internet.

Jane Fonda also didn't like the nuclear industry and made a movie about it. I don't listen to her opinion either.

71 posted on 03/11/2011 9:44:51 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Yes, trust the nuclear engineers. They know best. Best to discount my real life experiences. So what if some major project was built backwards. With nuclear power, everyone is really really really careful. Three reallys ought to about do it. Thank you for sharing what background you have for your bromide pronouncement that nuclear power is safe. I’d gladly but you a one way ticket to Wefuguprilibadliama power plant so you can observe the safety in action.


72 posted on 03/11/2011 10:21:03 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay

Sure humans make mistakes. Humans also do quite a bit correctly.


73 posted on 03/11/2011 10:22:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: at bay

“Yes, trust the nuclear engineers. They know best. “

I trust nuclear engineers that work in the field and have many years of experience.
They are constantly looking for potential problems and weaknesses. They look at all kinds of scenarios and “what ifs”.

They are on site at these plants.


74 posted on 03/11/2011 10:29:18 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: TSgt

It hasn’t even been 12 hours since the Earthquake hit in Japan, and some geriatric hag named Kate Hudson, of a nuclear disarmament group, is screaming & yelling that all nuclear power plants worldwide must be shut down immediately. So far as we know, no in in Japan has died today because of a nuclear reactor.


75 posted on 03/11/2011 10:32:35 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“So far as we know, no in in Japan has died today because of a nuclear reactor.”

But a LOT of people live better and longer because of the electricity they produce.

This was a massive quake. Its a testament to good engineering and construction that the damage is not worse.


76 posted on 03/11/2011 10:36:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: F15Eagle
You cannot “turn off” a nuclear reactor. They insert control rods to slow down (absorb) the radiation released and that becomes a “low-power) state (a normal emergency SCRAM puts control rods in at maximum, as I understand it).

You have to extract the fuel rods to essentially make the reactor (idle). That is not a quick process. It requires substantial “de-fueling” maintenance procedures.

Not correct. The reaction (fission) stops instantly with the insertion of the control rods. Once the reaction stops, there is still considerable 'residual heat' in the core from decay products which requires coolant circulation to remove that heat. My guess here is that the plant lost off-site power to keep their coolant pumps running and for some reason or another, their emergency diesel generators did not kick in to provide power for the pumps.

Worst case scenario, they could trash their core and the reactor internals, much like what happened at Three Mile Island. It probably poses no danger to the outside world.

77 posted on 03/11/2011 10:48:42 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: driftdiver

Core temp: RISING.......LOSING.........DUH


78 posted on 03/11/2011 10:49:21 AM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: Hoodat
Does anyone happen to know what brand of DCS the plant is running?

Probably does not have a DCS unless it's for collecting historical data or for non-safety functions. To my knowledge, no DCS has been rated for safety related function (NRC Class Class 1-E). They tend to use separate very specialized controls much of them hard-wired analog vintage equipment for those safety related functions.

79 posted on 03/11/2011 10:58:35 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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They don't get hot enuff to melt. they can't.

Wrong. That was the theory, but it turns out, it was far from the reality. Click here to read about the condition of the fuel in the German pebble bed reactor. They have a serious mess to deal with.

80 posted on 03/11/2011 11:09:26 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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