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Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Escalates in Japan – ‘Worse than Chernobyl’
Forbes ^ | 3/11/2011 | Willian Pentland

Posted on 03/12/2011 8:16:13 AM PST by Chunga85

The Institute for Public Accuracy issued the following statement by nuclear expert, Kevin Kamp, about the risk of nuclear disaster in post-Earthquake Japan: “The electrical grid is down. The emergency diesel generators have been damaged. The multi-reactor Fukushima atomic power plant is now relying on battery power, which will only last around eight hours. The danger is, the very thermally hot reactor cores at the plant must be continuously cooled for 24 to 48 hours. Without any electricity, the pumps won’t be able to pump water through the hot reactor cores to cool them. Once electricity is lost, the irradiated nuclear fuel could begin to melt down. If the containment systems fail, a catastrophic radioactivity release to the environment could occur.”

“In addition to the reactor cores, the storage pool for highly radioactive irradiated nuclear fuel is also at risk. The pool cooling water must be continuously circulated. Without circulation, the still thermally hot irradiated nuclear fuel in the storage pools will begin to boil off the cooling water. Within a day or two, the pool’s water could completely boil away. Without cooling water, the irradiated nuclear fuel could spontaneously combust in an exothermic reaction. Since the storage pools are not located within containment, a catastrophic radioactivity release to the environment could occur. Up to 100 percent of the volatile radioactive Cesium-137 content of the pools could go up in flames and smoke, to blow downwind over large distances. Given the large quantity of irradiated nuclear fuel in the pool, the radioactivity release could be worse than the Chernobyl nuclear reactor catastrophe of 25 years ago.”

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Not sure of this guy's credentials...he could just be a talking head from another "non-thinking profit tank"...if they are now flooding cores with sea water that suggests the cooling pumps aren't working.
1 posted on 03/12/2011 8:16:19 AM PST by Chunga85
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To: Chunga85

Yawn... we’ve been subjected to so much of this chicken little BS over the past few decades that it is hard to take seriously anymore. Even Chernobyl didn’t live up to the billing.


2 posted on 03/12/2011 8:19:02 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

wow...just wow.


3 posted on 03/12/2011 8:21:06 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Chunga85
This disinformation really doesn't belong here.

Here's all you need to know about this guy's "creds":

http://www.beyondnuclear.org/about/

4 posted on 03/12/2011 8:21:22 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: pnh102
Yawn... we’ve been subjected to so much of this chicken little BS over the past few decades that it is hard to take seriously anymore. Even Chernobyl didn’t live up to the billing.

And our Japanese friends are much better engineers and businessmen than Ivan. They will handle this OK.

5 posted on 03/12/2011 8:21:45 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Chunga85
The Institute for Public Accuracy was founded in mid-1997 by its current executive director, Norman Solomon, with the support of a two-year $100,000-per-year Public Interest Pioneer grant from the Stern Family Fund [1]. IPA opened its national office in San Francisco in October 1997. Several months later, IPA established its media office in the National Press Building in Washington, D.C. It is a 501(c)(3) organization.

Sourcewatch

6 posted on 03/12/2011 8:21:45 AM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: Chunga85
From wiki:

"The Institute for Public Accuracy is a Washington, D.C.-based organization that encourages mainstream news media to interview alternative sources."

Forbes is quoting anti-nuke hysterics from a leftwing whorehouse. Dumb shits at Forbes.

7 posted on 03/12/2011 8:22:42 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chunga85

What in the world has happened to Forbes.

The family turned the magazine publishing over to a new entity and the quality of the articles and the news is down to tabloid quality.


8 posted on 03/12/2011 8:22:47 AM PST by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Chunga85

He’s full of crap.

Chernobyl was a graphite-moderated reactor. The situation was made MUCH worse there when the graphite caught fire. Their plant design lacked a hard containment vessel as western plants have. And their problems were operator-induced.

These plants are right on the seacoast. If they make a decision to flood with seawater, they have plenty of it nearby. Unlike Chernobyl, where they had to airlift sand to smother the fire that resulted.


9 posted on 03/12/2011 8:24:08 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Carley; All

All disaster teams should be diverted immediately to Forbes...got it.


10 posted on 03/12/2011 8:25:54 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Chunga85
Here is the resume of the "expert" Kamps:

Kamp's resume

Of note:

Kevin attended Earlham College, a Society of Friends (Quaker) school in Richmond, Indiana, as well as Kalamazoo College in Kalamazoo, Michigan, where he studied biology and chemistry, respectively.

Gee, that's somebody who's opinion I REALLY want to trust!

11 posted on 03/12/2011 8:26:09 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Chunga85

BS, all of it.

Not worth responding in more detail. See credible sources for information if you want to know the facts.


12 posted on 03/12/2011 8:27:16 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Chunga85

Sounds like bulls*** to me, theyre pumping seawater and boric acid into the containment area which should cool it down. All they have to do it keep it below 1000C.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 8:27:34 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: pnh102

I agree, ignore this environmental BS. Just give a donation to this ravaged country. They’re one of the few allies we have left in the world. They are as technologically proficient as anyone in the world. Given enough time they will rebuild.


14 posted on 03/12/2011 8:29:43 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: Chunga85
Per Nuclear News Organization Evacuation order increased from 10 to 20 km as a precaution.

At time of explosion, 3 people were 1 km north waiting for helicopter and were exposed to the radiation.

15 posted on 03/12/2011 8:30:15 AM PST by tarpit
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To: NVDave

“Without any electricity, the pumps won’t be able to pump water through the hot reactor cores to cool them.”


16 posted on 03/12/2011 8:31:23 AM PST by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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To: Chunga85

Of course it is! Waste no crisis!


17 posted on 03/12/2011 8:31:37 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
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To: Chunga85

“Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe Escalates in Japan – ‘Worse than Chernobyl’”

Oy. Where to start?
Well, let’s start off saying that the Chernobyl actuality wasn’t/isn’t a risk*, that the Nuclear situation in Japan *is* means that it, by definition, cannot be worse than Chernobyl. (It may, however, have the potential to be worse than Chernobyl.)

* There actually was a higher risk-factor with Chernobyl before the disaster because they were not employing [proper] safety protocols.


18 posted on 03/12/2011 8:34:53 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

This will feed the anti-nuke kooks for another few decades. Meanwhile, we’ll grow that much more dependent on others for our energy needs.


19 posted on 03/12/2011 8:35:13 AM PST by gthog61
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To: Chunga85

Folks, we have to keep it in perspective.

If all of the nuclear reactors in Japan went critical, melted down and lit up simultaneously, it would do less damage to our country than the current administration.

Just sayin’


20 posted on 03/12/2011 8:35:49 AM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: Chunga85
The Institute for Public Accuracy...

Didn't need to go much past there. Anything with THAT name probably isn't, like the "Center for Science in the Public Interest" which is a whacko far-left vegan group, or the "National Association for Women" which couldn't find the time to help women like Juanita Broaddrick.

21 posted on 03/12/2011 8:36:42 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Carley

>The family turned the magazine publishing over to a new entity and the quality of the articles and the news is down to tabloid quality.

Hey! Don’t insult tabloids.
;)


22 posted on 03/12/2011 8:36:42 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

In case you need an example to illustrate “hyperbole” this week. Thanks Chunga85.


23 posted on 03/12/2011 8:37:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: COBOL2Java

National Association for Women = National Organization for Women - aka the “National Association of Gals” (NAGs) as Rush calls them.


24 posted on 03/12/2011 8:39:10 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: NVDave
These plants are right on the seacoast. If they make a decision to flood with seawater, they have plenty of it nearby. Unlike Chernobyl, where they had to airlift sand to smother the fire that resulted.

Actually sand, lead, steel are much better materials for stopping a chain reaction. Water, once melting of the fuel rods has occurred, simply turns to steam and contributes to the spread of the contamination. Sand, lead on the other hand mix with the molten fuel and help to bring things back below critical mass necessary for a chain reaction to continue.

25 posted on 03/12/2011 8:39:57 AM PST by Errant
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To: Chunga85

Another perspective:

PROF PADDY REGAN, PROFESSOR OF NUCLEAR PHYSICS AT THE

UNIVERSITY OF SURREY

“It looks as if the coolant pumps had initially stopped working. They shut down automatically when the reactor shuts down, but there is a backup system running off a diesel generator — it looks as though that’s the bit that failed.

“As a result there is no way of pumping heat out of the reactor, so it has to cool naturally. If the reactor gets too hot, in principle this means the fuel rods can melt - but it looks unlikely this has happened to any great extent in this case.

“To reduce the pressure, you would have to release some steam into the atmosphere from the system. In that steam, there will be small but measurable amounts of radioactive nitrogen - nitrogen 16 (produced when neutrons hit water). This remains radioactive for only about 5 seconds, after which it decays to natural oxygen.”


26 posted on 03/12/2011 8:46:07 AM PST by Vasilli22
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To: Chunga85

Per NHK press conference on nuclear reactors:

They are in still in process of putting sea water to cool the nuclear reactor. They will use that as a seal.

Even if that fails, they do not expect a problem within 20km which is why they increased the evac area.

When explosion happened, 4 people got injured. they we near the turbine of the containment and they are at hospital right now.


27 posted on 03/12/2011 8:46:19 AM PST by tarpit
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To: SunkenCiv
In case you need an example to illustrate “hyperbole” this week.

I find this interesting:

They do offer the following caveats:

Beyond Nuclear is unable to reach the Australian Radiation Service (as of 10 AM Sat Mar 12) who apparently released this map, to verify the radiation levels given or to understand how they are derived. This map shows an large-scale weather pattern which is verifiable by a weather site in Japan. This map below will not represent local or regional weather patterns for Japan itself. The weather site shows more local weather effects.

28 posted on 03/12/2011 8:47:16 AM PST by Errant
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To: politicket

Just another group of people making a living off of donations. Of course, it is disaster, how else do they get people to keep giving them money?


29 posted on 03/12/2011 8:47:19 AM PST by tiki
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To: politicket
Here's all you need to know about this guy's "creds"

Thanks - you saved me a lot of computer time. I was particularly "impressed" (amused) by some of the "scientific experts"who back this propaganda outfit:

Ed Asner, Ed Begley,Jr., Christie Brinkley, James Cromwell, John McEnroe, Bonnie Raitt and Susan Sarandon.

30 posted on 03/12/2011 8:47:46 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: SunkenCiv; All
Too funny. Play politics with everything..

Nuclear Facility

Surely the containment buildings remain undamaged. Especially after an earthquake, tsunami, and explosion.

31 posted on 03/12/2011 8:48:11 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: tarpit
Even if that fails, they do not expect a problem within 20km which is why they increased the evac area.

I remember yesterday, they were saying 6km was adequate. Some reports say they're not letting anyone closer than 60km.

32 posted on 03/12/2011 8:51:51 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

People who inject ideologies into situations like this truly make me sick. Prayers to Japan.


33 posted on 03/12/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Errant

Yes, they might be better moderators of neutron flux, but the point was that they didn’t have it handy at Chernobyl. They had to fly it in, which took time.

In Japan, they have seawater there at their back door in huge quantities.

At Chernobyl, they were flying sand on top of the pile for week, and dropping the sand from a height put more radioactive components into the air.


34 posted on 03/12/2011 8:56:58 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Chunga85

The sky is falling agenda.


35 posted on 03/12/2011 8:57:15 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: Chunga85
The Institute for Public Accuracy

If that a division of the "Ministry of Truth" or something?

36 posted on 03/12/2011 9:00:19 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: politicket

*If* there’s a meltdown, they should round up the luddite liberals and stuff them in the core. It wouldn’t cool the reactor, but it might cool down the hysteria.


37 posted on 03/12/2011 9:01:54 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Chunga85

So the reactor cooling system is running on battery power. This horrible, end of the world disaster will only happen if all the resources of Japan, and their many technically capable allies cannot deliver some working generators to plant, or repair the ones already there before the batteries run down. YAWN


38 posted on 03/12/2011 9:05:39 AM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: Milhous
“Without any electricity, the pumps won’t be able to pump water through the hot reactor cores to cool them.”

Why couldn't this have happened in country where generators are manufactured? (/sarcasm) The engineers at the nuclear site might have other problems but I can assure you that a supply of electricity isn't one of them.

39 posted on 03/12/2011 9:15:48 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Carley

Yes, what happened to Forbes?


40 posted on 03/12/2011 9:17:11 AM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: Chunga85

“The Institute for Public Accuracy”

Already the red flag has gone up. Public is one of those clue words which usually translates to leftwing psuedoscience when used in this context.


41 posted on 03/12/2011 9:20:16 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Bernard Marx

I had no idea John McEnroe was that stupid.


42 posted on 03/12/2011 9:23:29 AM PST by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Airtractor 402)
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To: lastchance; All

Here’s hoping you jokers are right.


43 posted on 03/12/2011 9:24:15 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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To: Texas Fossil
And our Japanese friends are much better engineers

No slam against Americans but I've got more confidence in the engineers and their facilities in Japan than anywhere else....not too many of them got into college with sports scholarships.

44 posted on 03/12/2011 9:24:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: Chunga85

You and others will be most interested in the following article by Michael Crichton:

“Fear, Complexity, & Environmental Management in the 21st Century.”

Here is the tease:


Fear, Complexity, & Environmental Management in the 21st Century

(An excellent article by Michael Crichton, which discusses Chernobyl, Yellowstone, the Club of Rome, Y2k and more.)

I am going to challenge you today to revise your thinking, and to reconsider some fundamental assumptions. Assumptions so deeply embedded in our consciousness that we don’t even realize they are there.

But the assumptions I am talking about today represent another kind of map—a map that tells us the way the world works. Since this is a lecture on complexity, you will not be surprised to hear that one important assumption most people make is the assumption of linearity, in a world that is largely non-linear. I hope by the end of this lecture that the meaning of that statement will be clear. But we won’t be getting there in a linear fashion.

Some of you know I have written a book that many people find controversial. It is called State of Fear, and I want to tell you how I came to write it. Because up until five years ago, I had very conventional ideas about the environment and the success of the environmental movement.

The book really began in 1998, when I set out to write a novel about a global disaster. In the course of my preparation, I rather casually reviewed what had happened in Chernobyl, since that was the worst manmade disaster in recent times that I knew about.

What I discovered stunned me. Chernobyl was a tragic event, but nothing remotely close to the global catastrophe I imagined. About 50 people had died in Chernobyl, roughly the number of Americans that die every day in traffic accidents. I don’t mean to be gruesome, but it was a setback for me. You can’t write a novel about a global disaster in which only 50 people die.

________________________

Also, Michael knew global warming was/is a hoax and gave many speeches about it.


45 posted on 03/12/2011 9:33:36 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Chunga85

The fact that I have doubts about the source does not make me a joker. It just makes me one who prefers her facts to come from disinterested sources that do not have an agenda.


46 posted on 03/12/2011 9:40:24 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: azcap
When TMI went bad (and it was much worse than the told the public) they did have a melt down. All these years I have lived within 5 to 10 miles of TMI.

My wife lived in a farm house about 1 mile away (to the east of the reactor). She has had stage 3 thyroid cancer and went through massive surgery. Treatments for it continue. Last week she was diagnosed with Barret's syndrome which is a precursor to esophageal cancer.

She still does not claim or blame it on TMI and the closeness to it where she lived. TMI also had a number of "venting" episodes cause it got to hot and the water around the reactor was building up steam. Later they found it could have blown the top off the containment vessel or cracked it wide open.... but it didn't.

The bottom of the containment vessel did melt and penetrate the bed rock beneath the vessel.

So besides Chernobyl the world has seen a melt down or three before .....
47 posted on 03/12/2011 9:41:22 AM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Chunga85
"Play politics with everything.."

Viewing everything through a political prism appeals to the keep it simple stupid (KISS) crowd.
48 posted on 03/12/2011 9:46:48 AM PST by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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To: Chunga85

Yeah, I consider it a load of garbage. Every resource available to the government of Japan will be devoted to getting electricity to this plant if it’s true. There’s no way they’ll let it happen.


49 posted on 03/12/2011 9:54:04 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: lastchance; All
FWIW...once this is proven to be nothing more than fear mongering by greenies...I'll come back here and every one of you can call me a joker. I AM truly hoping you are right and I AM wrong.

Meltdown Caused Nuke Plant Explosion: Safety Body

50 posted on 03/12/2011 9:55:21 AM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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