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How Flaws Undid Obama’s Hope for High-Speed Rail in Florida
New York Times ^ | March 11,2011 | MICHAEL COOPER

Posted on 03/12/2011 9:25:08 AM PST by Hojczyk

The Tampa-to-Orlando route had obvious drawbacks: It would have linked two cities that are virtually unnavigable without cars, and that are so close that the new train would have been little faster than driving. But the Obama administration chose it anyway because it was seen as the line that could be built first. Florida had already done much of the planning, gotten many of the necessary permits and owned most of the land that would be needed.

The Department of Transportation did not have that many options. Only two states, Florida and California, were deemed far enough along in their planning to receive money for building actual bullet trains — trains that can travel more than 150 miles an hour, on tracks of their own that are not shared with other trains.

In the end, though, the state’s new governor decided not to build it at all, worried that those very drawbacks would ultimately make it a boondoggle.

Florida’s route had some glaring imperfections, though.

Tampa and Orlando are only 84 miles apart, generally considered too close for high-speed rail to make sense. The train trip, with many stops along the way, would have shaved only around a half-hour off the drive. Since there are no commercial flights between the two cities, the new line would not have lured away fliers or freed up landing slots at the busy airports. And neither Tampa nor Orlando has many public transportation options. So the question arose: Could riders be persuaded to leave their cars behind and buy tickets to places where they would still probably need cars?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; florida; highspeedrail; newyorktimes; obanomics; whiteelephant; williegreen

1 posted on 03/12/2011 9:25:10 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Tampa and Orlando are only 84 miles apart, generally considered too close for high-speed rail to make sense

Has sense been in the room since the Obama administration commenced?

2 posted on 03/12/2011 9:28:29 AM PST by relictele
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To: Hojczyk

No one would ride it...maybe a few tourist but not anyone who owns a car..it is 84 miles..


3 posted on 03/12/2011 9:31:14 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Gov Scott, many thanks to you for taking the Kenyan to the woodshed.
4 posted on 03/12/2011 9:31:47 AM PST by JPG (May the WI GOP stay united and strong.)
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To: Hojczyk

Not to mention the bogus consultant’s reports that inflated the projected number of riders, minimized forecasted operating costs and ticket prices, and generally pumped the project for the local pro-rail politicians.


5 posted on 03/12/2011 9:31:52 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Hojczyk

Ban those Thomas the Tank Engine videos and that silly liberal obsession with trains will go away.

6 posted on 03/12/2011 9:33:39 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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Willie Green probably threw his bong against the wall when this rail project was canceled...


7 posted on 03/12/2011 9:34:53 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Hojczyk

Funny, I made all of these points to Willie Green’s posts two years ago. Once again, it takes the NYT a little longer to figure out the truth.

Look at the good news, at least this time they did figure it out. That makes them slightly above the Mendoza Line . . .


8 posted on 03/12/2011 9:35:07 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Hojczyk

This post requires no comment other then the current occupant of the White House, Barack Hussein Obama has two glaring faults, no brains and knowledge of what he speaks or advocates!!! Obama, the worst “empty suit” of the human race!!!


9 posted on 03/12/2011 9:35:29 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Hojczyk

What is hilarious is how so many of Obama’s high speed rail projects include the state capitols. So if no one else rides them at least state employed drones will....once in a while


10 posted on 03/12/2011 9:37:55 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Hojczyk

That was the second thing that bothered me about the HSR, transportation at the destination. The first was that it was not going to cover Florida, which would’ve made more sense. Then we hear about the actual “high-speed”, which is more than likely already achieved by many, if not most, of the highway users. It would be a criminal use of taxpayers’ money to build such a thing.


11 posted on 03/12/2011 9:41:50 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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12 posted on 03/12/2011 9:41:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Hojczyk

I used to travel on business from Seattle to Portland - 180 miles. I could fly..it took 3 hours if you count parking, waiting, etc. Or I could drive - also 3 hours.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 9:54:52 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Hojczyk
So the question arose: Could riders be persuaded to leave their cars behind and buy tickets to places where they would still probably need cars?

Gee. This is the kind of question that could keep the geniuses at the New York Times busy for fifteen or twenty years.

14 posted on 03/12/2011 9:59:06 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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The fact that the premise of using High Speed Rail for a 90 mile trip with multiple stops is so illogical, and yet they still insist on pushing the project tells you everything you need to know about Federal Government funded boondoggles.


15 posted on 03/12/2011 10:08:09 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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Wow. NY Times finally gets something correct. Direct non stop busses would be better.


16 posted on 03/12/2011 10:12:27 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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This is typical of minority-run Metros (minorities always run Metros because it is reparations, plus they can pay themselves whatever they please, and do).

In Houston, the first choo-choo train they built connects the Astrodome to the Enron-dome. Maybe two dozen people a day actually use it. A train from downtown to Katy would have alleviated all kinds of traffic congestion, but that would have benefited Whitey, and we can't have that.

17 posted on 03/12/2011 10:21:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Hojczyk
TRUMKA MONGO
18 posted on 03/12/2011 11:04:07 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Hojczyk
So the question arose: Could riders be persuaded to leave their cars behind and buy tickets to places where they would still probably need cars?

And the answer from the jug eared communist in the White House and his comrades in DC and Tallahassee is

"who cares as long as we get to spend other peoples money for no good reason in exchange for votes!"

19 posted on 03/12/2011 11:09:44 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Hojczyk

“High-Speed Rail” is a false premise in the first place.

Follow the money, as usual.

It is really “slow-speed rail” to serve certain special interests. Serving “passengers” is the very LAST thing on that agenda.

All you will ever need to know about it can be found here:

Here’s a Short Video with the ‘Real Story Behind the High Speed Rail Push’!
VIDEO: http://www.ronaldreaganclubs.com/New%20Rail.html

Facts, figures do not lie....this would have been a disaster for Florida taxpayers and their grandchildren! The video also explains the real reason and who will profit from the Rail.


20 posted on 03/12/2011 11:31:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: relictele

Early reports of three passenger trains ‘missing’after earthquake!

All work on high speed rail to be abandoned!


21 posted on 03/12/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Hojczyk
Even the New York Times admits a boondoggle: its too expensive, will never attract enough riders to cover the capital and operating costs and at 84 miles, its short to be a true high speed rail route.

FL taxpayers know they will be on the hook for any shortfalls. No one wants this thing. They even repealed a state constitutional amendment requiring high speed rail over the costs involved. The bottom line is no such line will ever be built in this country and its a transportation system that would serve only a tiny fraction of the transportation market.

Willie Green would have to say its a white elephant. Good news FL took a pass on it.

22 posted on 03/12/2011 1:16:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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But a state-sponsored ridership study, which was released this week, concluded that the proposed line would actually have been a money-maker from the start.

Nonsense. I can't wait to read and dissect that study.

Consider: So I take the train from Orlando to Tampa. Then what, rent a car? The train shaves a half-hour off the drive the article says. Does that include TSA time? Please arrive 2 hours ahead of departure? Queue up in the already swamped MCO screening lines to take the tram to the departure station? Then add time spent in the queue at the destination trying to rent a car while my car sits in a parking lot at the origin airport costing how much a day? Do the airports (the purported termini) even have enough parking? As it is on busy days you are in satellite parking so add another 20 mins onto the trip time for the shuttle.

Who commutes between TPA and MCO anyway? Oh, so it would mainly serve tourists? Well, Disney does its level best to keep you on Disney property so if you are silly enough to fly into Tampa to shlep a weeks worth of luggage onto a train and then go to Disney, more power to ya.

And speaking of Disney, I am surprised that the Tampa tourism people wouldn't look at this funnel to the Mouse House with horror.

23 posted on 03/12/2011 6:52:09 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
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