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KNIGHT: Unions show no class in Wisconsin ‘war’
The Washington Times ^ | March 11, 2011 | Robert Knight

Posted on 03/12/2011 11:29:40 AM PST by jazusamo

Labor thugs threaten murder to preserve payola

“I’m not going to lie to you, this is going to get ugly.” So predicts “Goldfish,” a Daily Kos blogger who boasts of spending two weekends in Madison, Wisc., “on the Front Lines of the Class War.” Now, “Goldfish” is predicting a general strike, like the ones in Greece whenever the bankrupt government tries to cut ruinous spending.

A bigger fish, film director Michael Moore, announced on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” on Wednesday that, “This is war. This is class war,” and that a national walkout of government school students would happen Friday. Jesse Jackson told Fox News that public unions will retain collective bargaining or “you’re going to have it through the streets. People here will fight back because they think their cause is moral.”

Moral? Public employee unions are bankrupting local and state governments, including Wisconsin’s. They have it cushier than the folks who are taxed to pay for it all. A Spectrum Research Group report found that public employees make up 15 percent of the work force but lay claim to more than a third of the nation’s $9.3 trillion in pension assets. Many retire in their 50s and then double-dip with new jobs.

Union members have been demonstrating in Madison for days, but became enraged Wednesday when the Republican Senate finally bypassed the 14 AWOL Democratic senators holed up in Illinois and voted to send GOPGov. Scott Walker’s budget reform bill to the House. The law, which the House quickly passed and Mr. Walker signed, requires state employees to contribute 5.8 percent of their salaries to pensions and 12.6 percent to health care benefits, which is still less than most private employees pay.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: deaththreats; unions; unionthugs; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 03/12/2011 11:29:44 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

I’m distressed by the fact that the narrative currently in vogue, (even among conservatives, and this is horrifying for what it means for the future of the country) seems to run like this,

“Public sector unions are REALLY bad. There are some bad things in private sector unions, too, but they aren’t pure evil like public sector unions. Private sector unions, especially at the turn of the century, were actually pretty good.”

This is pure BS! It is very, very, very scary when, even here on FR, for Pete’s sake, people do not recognize ALL UNIONS AS GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED THEFT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUYING DEMOCRAT VOTES. I expect ignorance of this fact elsewhere, but here on FR??????????????????????

Here’s how the purely evil, anti-American, communistic, welfare-begging private sector unions work…..

I set up a business, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY (my capital and/or cash money).
I pay for the space, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay the taxes using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I supply the parts and inventory, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay for the insurance, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I pay the labor, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I recruit, hire, and advertise, using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Oftentimes an entire life’s savings (MY PRIVATE PROPERTY) is at stake.
My future, my standing in the community, my credit, and MY PRIVATE PROPERTY are all at stake.
If I fail, I stand a good chance of being economically crippled for life.

One day, on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY that I own and acquired using MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, one of my employers, who is only in my presence because of the risk of MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, comes to me and says, “Here’s the story, Bub. From this moment forward I am going to begin organizing your other employees to work AGAINST YOUR PRIVATE INTERESTS and do everything in our power to TAKE BY FORCE AS MUCH OF YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON. We are going to spend a great deal of time and effort ORGANIZING AGAINST YOUR INTERESTS TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GROW STRONGER AT YOUR EXPENSE, IN ORDER TO TAKE YOUR MONEY. You might as well have your business competitors working here on the shop floor. If you do not agree to our demands, we will go on strike, make your life miserable, harass and threaten and/or MURDER IN COLD BLOOD anybody you may want to hire in our place.”

Now the one and ONLY way that such a thing could EVER take place is for the government to step in and say, “Mr. Employer, if you fire this union man, you are going to jail.” Plainly and simply, no union could ever exist in a free society. Yes, in a free society, you should be able to form and join a union of any type at any time for any purpose whatsoever. AND YOUR EMPLOYER SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIRE YOUR HAPPY ASS IN A HEARTBEAT FOR DOING SO. FREEDOM IS A TWO WAY STREET.

I find this ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. Truly. A man strolls onto the PRIVATE PROPERTY of another man and tells him how he will employ his PRIVATE PROPERTY going forward, OR ELSE!, and hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people the world over think that the first man is not only somehow better than sub-human filth, they actually see him as a hero! To me, this is one of the most perverse and mystifying examples of twisted human thinking the world has ever seen. I can’t say it enough; you come onto my PRIVATE PROPERTY, and bargain with me, using the THREAT OF GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED FORCE, about how much of my PRIVATE PROPERTY you will allow me to keep! And this is somehow acceptable?

As I say, even conservatives, (who have escaped the liberal brainwashing that begins when we are still in the womb on guns, race, US history, etc., etc., and do not subscribe to the easy notions that are so readily picked up by the unthinking) seem to fall for this trap. Seem to believe that…“The work place is filled with mean managers and mean bosses who were/are really mean to kids and women and workers and paid them pennies instead of the legitimate millions that they were REALLY worth, making evil white male capitalists even richer, and they enslaved them and coerced them and made them work real hard and were really, really mean. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the government stepping in and saving women and children from mean bosses and really mean white capitalist men.”

Needless to say, each and every single word of that narrative is as totally false and ridiculous as the liberal narrative on US history, or bad guns, or evil white men. If you know people who believe that stuff, you cannot help them. Do not waste your breath on them, do not do their research for them; have them read Sowell or Williams or von Hayek, or von Mises, or Friedman, or even Stossel when they write of “sweatshops” either in today’s 3rd world or in America at the turn of the century.


2 posted on 03/12/2011 11:31:04 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: jazusamo

General strike?

Sounds like mass firings are in order. Lots of people need jobs.


3 posted on 03/12/2011 11:31:15 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: jazusamo
THUGBOY
4 posted on 03/12/2011 11:32:18 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: fwdude

Absolutely...I’d bet there’s more than enough unemployed and underemployed who want those jobs.


5 posted on 03/12/2011 11:33:48 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: FrankR

That nails it!


6 posted on 03/12/2011 11:34:49 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
A general strike is exactly what needs to be done. There are millions of unemployed out there who would VALUE that job and be glad to have it. One lesson I learned at my first job: Everyone is replaceable.
7 posted on 03/12/2011 11:35:05 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: jazusamo
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8 posted on 03/12/2011 11:38:12 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: jazusamo
hey goldie, I don't feel like be bled by more and more taxes to sustain your fat, lazy arse. You want to battle over it? Bring it fatso
9 posted on 03/12/2011 11:40:11 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Want to choke off unions, do not base your economy on large companies. If every business is family owned (employ immediate family members only) or employ very few persons, unions would be hard pressed to form. Relationship between owner and worker is close. Once huge corporations form, with execs and lawyers etc etc, workers will naturally form unions to counter it (human nature).


10 posted on 03/12/2011 11:43:08 AM PST by Fee
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To: fwdude
I don't know about the Wisconsin law, but the law Ohio will be passing next week forbids strikes by public employees. It looks like wisconsin may be the thugs' last chance, this round at least.
11 posted on 03/12/2011 11:43:33 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jazusamo

They need to also recall the Dem Secretary of State who is now refusing to affix his signature to the law that Scott Walker just signed so that it will stay bottled up.


12 posted on 03/12/2011 11:44:10 AM PST by chuckee
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To: jazusamo
This piece is way off base. The protesters are class all the way, baby.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 11:44:53 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: jazusamo
Unions have never had any class to show at any time. Remember this?


14 posted on 03/12/2011 11:46:10 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Great! Unions will HAVE to obey the law, or face the consequences.


15 posted on 03/12/2011 11:47:20 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: jazusamo

It it’s a class war, then Moore will go into hiding.


16 posted on 03/12/2011 11:50:22 AM PST by DallasDeb
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To: Fee

“Want to choke off unions...”

How about we simply allow a little freedom to exist??? You are free to join a union, I am free to fire you for it. REAL simple.


17 posted on 03/12/2011 11:52:06 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: jazusamo

Public employees make up 15 percent of the work force but lay claim to more than a third of the nation’s $9.3 trillion in pension assets.

People here will fight back because they think their cause is moral.

The gravy train is now out of fuel.


18 posted on 03/12/2011 11:52:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Lazlo in PA

heh heh heh

I guess low class is better than no class at all. :)


19 posted on 03/12/2011 11:55:41 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: SandRat

Yep, that was pathetic.


20 posted on 03/12/2011 11:58:52 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: SandRat
Unions have never had any class to show at any time. Remember this?

That incident has been running through my mind since this Wisconsin public union issue began to get ugly.

Obama claims to want "volunteers" to do "good things", but his own union thug buddies "don't want no volunteers".

How can anybody miss the thuggery these unions employ in outright extortion of the public treasury? Collective bargaining and union "rights" are giving the unions the upper hand. The taxpayers need to take the upper hand back.

21 posted on 03/12/2011 12:00:06 PM PST by SteamShovel ("Does the noise in my head bother you?")
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To: FrankR

I’m not a violent person, but my desire to punch that fool in the snotlocker is huge - fortunately he’s 2,000 miles away.


22 posted on 03/12/2011 12:03:19 PM PST by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a pit bull.)
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To: SteamShovel
Ne Culturna(spell ?) is the term in Russian to describe the Unions & 'O's Volunteers (Brown-Shirt Thugs) - Uncultured Barbarians.
23 posted on 03/12/2011 12:06:42 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

That happened here in Allentown. Boy did the union get a black eye with that. These idiots just can’t help but do things to turn off the public. It is in their mindless Lib Rat nature.


24 posted on 03/12/2011 12:15:38 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: jazusamo

No, it’s not class war, it’s ideological war... between the givers and the takers... and the givers are taking their givings back.


25 posted on 03/12/2011 1:30:46 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: SandRat

Ne Kulturny. (Meaning “uncultured,” a grave insult in Russian.)


26 posted on 03/12/2011 1:33:44 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
Found out that it's

It’s transliterated “ne kulturniy”, sometimes as just one word (sorry, don’t have a Russian font on this computer).

Pronounced: nyeh kool-toor-knee, accent on the ‘toor’.

And it is NOT a term you want to use to a Russian. MANY fights have begun by using the term.

27 posted on 03/12/2011 1:36:37 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Did the national walkout of students happen? I didn’t hear anything about it here in Texas. Just wondering!


28 posted on 03/12/2011 1:37:45 PM PST by NativeTxn
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To: NativeTxn

Isn’t that for this coming Friday? I don’t know.


29 posted on 03/12/2011 1:39:15 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
While I agree with part of your assessment of Private sector Unions you are wrong on several counts a leave out a lot of history in the process. To start with companies of the 19th and early 20th century only had themselves to blame for Unions taking hold. Had they treated their workers fairly, and I am not talking about wages, then Unions would never have been formed. Working people 12-14 hours a day 7 days a week for one thing. Making people pay for tools broken on the job(such as mines making people pay for shovels out of their wages). One of the worse things was making people stand around waiting for delivery of goods, either by horse drawn wagons or, in the 20th century, motor vehicles and not paying them but forcing them to stand around waiting or get fired. They were only paid for the time actually unloading the vehicles regardless of how long they stood around waiting, which in some cases would be 10 or so hours. Also, the habit of bosses firing people simply because they didn't like them regardless of how the worker did their job. These are just some of the things that made people turn to Unions. They were needed at the time and now we have laws that address most of these problems and Unions got way out of hand, but for you to say they were never needed is to blind yourself to the facts as they were at that time.

As I said the companies of this country brought Unions on themselves.

30 posted on 03/12/2011 2:33:49 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

Every word you wrote is incorrect. Read the sources I mentioned when they talk about sweatshops and working conditions, and what is “fair”, etc.


31 posted on 03/12/2011 2:40:16 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: jazusamo

CHAMPION NEWS.NET

Job Stress: Comparing teaching with other occupations (Part 1)
Posted: March 06, 2011

Editor’s note: Back by popular demand and in light of the events in Wisconsin, this series of articles from last year is being reposted for your reading pleasure.

By John Sullivan

It is hardly unusual for employees in any field to complain about stress related to their jobs. Teachers are certainly no exception, but what are actual job stressors and do teachers suffer more than most? This is an important issue because job stress should have a relationship to compensation.

For example, it would be argued that running backs in the NFL deserve high compensation because their average working life in that position is very short. It could be argued that air traffic controllers deserve high compensation because they spend their entire working day with the lives of others in their hands. It is difficult to list or even imagine all job stressors, but an incomplete list follows.

1. Loss of job.

2. Low pay.

3. Uncertain pay.

4. Uncertain working hours.

5.Weekend work.

6. Little vacation time.

7. Work related travel.

8. Safety on the job.

9. Responsibility for employees.

10. Uncertainty of raises.

11. Saving for retirement.

12. Late retirement.

13. Job relocation.

14. Increased regulation and paperwork.

15. Problems with customers.

“Loss of job” is considered the most important stressor and can come about in many ways, including product obsolescence, structural unemployment, job elimination, discharge, etc. How many autoworkers, steelworkers, keypunch operators, tech employees and so on lose their jobs? The numbers are usually announced in the tens of thousands. Due to tenure, union protection, and leverage against parents, teacher job loss is almost nil. I read recently that 46% of employees are afraid of losing their job. I would guess that few of these are teachers.

Low pay would certainly not be a source of job stress for teachers. Teachers are required to work about six hours a day, five days a week, 180 days a year with 15 paid sick days per year that can be accumulated. They may-or may not- work additional hours for no pay. On a monthly basis, the average teacher makes 2-3 times what a private-sector employee makes with similar credentials.

The amount of pay is known, sometimes years in advance. Compare this to a commission-only salesman of business software that works now for an uncertain payoff six months from now or perhaps a trader on the Chicago Exchange who might make $10,000 today and lose $10,000 tomorrow. These are occupations where “uncertain pay” is truly a job stressor!

Most people have jobs that require flexibility re working hours. Construction workers might find out on Friday that they have to work until the job is done. Attorneys might find out that an important case means that they cannot take any time off indefinitely. Pilots may get stuck on the other side of the world due to snow in Chicago. These are certainly job stressors, but not for teachers.

In that vein, it is certainly stressful to realize that your employer considers your weekends off to be optional. How many employees have to change their weekend plans because they have to work? Do Chicago snow-plowing personnel get to enjoy the weekend off during a blizzard? Not if they want to keep their jobs! In contrast, I have never heard of a teacher who was required to work on a weekend.

Typically, in the private sector, one receives a week of vacation after the first year of employment, followed by two weeks after five years, three weeks after ten years, and four weeks after twenty-five years. The private sector of this country works more hours per year than every other developed nation in the world. I know people who haven’t had a week off in ten years. Teachers have about four months off per year beginning immediately. My guess is that “lack of vacation time” is not a stressor for teachers.

Travel, while always a stressor, has become much more so due to increased security at airports. I used to travel moderately in my career, but I certainly wouldn’t want to today. In other words, I would have to receive a lot more compensation to take a job that required travel. Teachers do not have this stressor.

Teachers have some safety concerns in the workplace. Teachers can be assaulted like anyone else and there is always the possibility of accidents. This is a stressor for anyone either on or off the job. However, teachers do not work with machinery or equipment, around hazardous or dangerous materials, come into contact with dangerous people like policemen do, work underground, underwater or high in the air, or have any kind of activity that would be considered inherently dangerous. They do not have to evade tacklers or work for a contractor in Iraq. They do not lose arms or legs on the job. As a job class, teaching must be among the safest.

Up next: Part 2.

Job Stress: Comparing teaching with other occupations (Part 2)
Posted: March 09, 2011

http://www.championnews.net/article.php?sid=3211

John Sullivan has an MBA from NIU and has 20 years of management experience supervising both union and non-union labor. He currently resides in Palatine, Illinois.


32 posted on 03/12/2011 3:06:14 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: calex59

My mother with two young sons,father deceased, was barely able to keep the necessary food on the table. It was the early 1930s when unions were coming on strong. There were many nights Mom came home and cried. She cried not only because she felt discriminated against as an immigrant with an accent not being given some of the good material to work with on piecework( management) but she cried also as a very self determined immigrant who was being bullied by union organizers/thugs to continually be on strike, no pay. I believe Mom ended up being unionized but it never increased her take home pay much,if any. The experiences of those times have no doubt influenced my thought that a person is generally if not much better off to find/do work where they can be recognized for their worth as individuals as contrasted to getting paid on a herd basis. No doubt some people are better suited by character, ambition, greed/jealousy to be members of the herd. And of course there are those like my mother who in spite of desire for free choice get caught up in the web of other peoples ambition.


33 posted on 03/12/2011 3:27:18 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: calex59

My mother with two young sons,father deceased, was barely able to keep the necessary food on the table. It was the early 1930s when unions were coming on strong. There were many nights Mom came home and cried. She cried not only because she felt discriminated against as an immigrant with an accent not being given some of the good material to work with on piecework( management) but she cried also as a very self determined immigrant who was being bullied by union organizers/thugs to continually be on strike, no pay. I believe Mom ended up being unionized but it never increased her take home pay much,if any. The experiences of those times have no doubt influenced my thought that a person is generally if not much better off to find/do work where they can be recognized for their worth as individuals as contrasted to getting paid on a herd basis. No doubt some people are better suited by character, ambition, greed/jealousy to be members of the herd. And of course there are those like my mother who in spite of desire for free choice get caught up in the web of other peoples ambition.


34 posted on 03/12/2011 3:27:37 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Bravo!

The government should not be able to force a businessman to bargain collectively with employees if the employer doesn't want to bargain collectively.

Likewise, the government should not be able to force a professional person to get medical "license" before opening a medical practice. Ditto lawyer licenses, dental licenses, and real estate licenses. Let customers decide if the professional is qualified.

Likewise, the government should not be able to force me to locate my business in one location rather than another. Zoning laws have no place in a free society.

Don't get me started!! an use our private property to open a medical practice?

35 posted on 03/12/2011 3:54:42 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Bravo to you, sir.


36 posted on 03/12/2011 3:57:32 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Walts Ice Pick
Likewise, the government should not be able to force a professional person to get medical “license” before opening a medical practice.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The quality of medicine is really **privately** controlled, now, through certified residencies, privately administer board specialist exams, malpractice insurance, peer review boards, and hospital demands that physicians and surgeons be certified before joining their staff.

If they did away with the state licenses, I can't see how it would make much difference to the patient. The medical licenses that states give out now are very basic. For instance, a psychiatrist is licensed to do heart surgery. Psychiatrists have no access to surgical facilities because of the above controls.

37 posted on 03/12/2011 4:06:47 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Doctor 2Brains
you come onto my PRIVATE PROPERTY, and bargain with me, using the THREAT OF GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED FORCE, about how much of my PRIVATE PROPERTY you will allow me to keep! And this is somehow acceptable?

And....( This is really important because unions that do the following are nothing more than a mafia.)

If you do not agree to our demands, we will go on strike, make your life miserable, harass and threaten and/or MURDER IN COLD BLOOD anybody you may want to hire in our place.”

The above is an offer that the employer can't refuse.

38 posted on 03/12/2011 4:16:46 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

As I say, it’s a truly mind-boggling situation.


39 posted on 03/12/2011 4:18:53 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

To hell with collective bargaining rights. How about granting individual bargaining rights instead? If I am the best damn teacher the state of Wisconsin has, I should be able to levy my ability to teach in order to gain a raise in salary from the school district. Without individual bargaining rights, my salary is set by the performance of the very worst teacher in the district.


40 posted on 03/12/2011 4:23:44 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Hoodat

There is NOTHING good about any union anywhere.


41 posted on 03/12/2011 4:28:56 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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