Skip to comments.The Dayton Police Department is lowering its testing standards for recruits.
Posted on 03/12/2011 3:32:47 PM PST by mandaladon
It's a move required by the U.S. Department of Justice after it says not enough African-Americans passed the exam.
Dayton is in desperate need of officers to replace dozens of retirees. The hiring process was postponed for months because the D.O.J. rejected the original scores provided by the Dayton Civil Service Board, which administers the test.
Under the previous requirements, candidates had to get a 66% on part one of the exam and a 72% on part two.
The D.O.J. approved new scoring policy only requires potential police officers to get a 58% and a 63%. That's the equivalent of an F and a D.
It becomes a safety issue for the people of our community, said Dayton Fraternal Order of Police President, Randy Beane. It becomes a safety issue to have an incompetent officer next to you in a life and death situation."
The NAACP does not support individuals failing a test and then having the opportunity to be gainfully employed, agreed Dayton NAACP President Derrick Foward.
The D.O.J. and Civil Service Board declined Daytons News Sources repeat requests for interviews. The lower standards mean 258 more people passed the test. The city won't say how many were minorities.
If you lower the score for any group of people, you're not getting the best qualified people for the job, Foward said.
We need to work with the youth and make them interested in becoming law enforcement officers and firefighters, said Beane. Break down the barriers whether they are real or perceived, so we can move forward in this community.
The D.O.J. has forced other police departments across the country to lower testing standards, citing once again that not enough black candidates were passing.
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“It’s a move required by the U.S. Department of Justice after it says not enough African-Americans passed the exam.”
Do they mean black people?
Duh-heeeeeee duh-heeeeeeee duh-hurrrrrrrrr-hurrr-hurrr-hurrrrrrrr...
It will be interesting when they get around to doing this for airline pilots! 30 plus years ago I an encounter with an EEOC officer who had flown into town for a meeting with my county agency on our testing procedures for paramedics. He was insistent that lots of people can do the work but “just don’t do well on tests.” I asked him if he would get back on the plane and return to Washington if he knew the pilots didn’t do well with exams and had failed their written tests for several ratings? He didn’t see the humor, but I think he might have gotten the point.
Di-verst-it-tie is are strenf!
Only a pulse is mandatory. Fogging a mirror is a plus.
I do not mind hiring anyone who passes an objective test, not subjective and hiring them in thot requiring merit assures that the public will not get adequate and proper treatment.
Congress this week did the same for the military. Racism is rampant against native born, English speaking Caucasian, American Males. As Europe has now said, Multi Culturalism does not work.
The company I fly for just hired two people, both are former US Army Pilots, one a black male the other a white female, both are incredibly intelligent and exceptional pilots.
The black male is a graduate of West Point and he is the most anti-political person I’ve ever met.
Refuses to get sucked int any debate on politics, isn’t registered to vote.
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting, working with and flying with many military pilots and he without a doubt one of the smartest one’s to date.
Tell the “justice joke” dept to shove it up Holder’s smelly Obama.
How does being anti-political make you a genius? Or being apolitical for that matter?
The dumbing down of the police dept. We’ll see what that produces.
I’ll bet would be one of the last people who want test scores lowered to accommodate blacks. Adjusting test results to allow those who otherwise would not qualify for a position is bad for everyone involved, but it’s so typical of how liberals think. They honestly don’t understand why some things work and others don’t. They skip right over the process and jump to the assumption that anyone who gets into a position can do just as well as anyone else. Even if you manage to somehow circumvent the kind of testing that is valid and is indeed predictive how well someone knows a subject and get these “affirmative action” candidates into a job they often learn very quickly just getting the position is only half the job!
“The dumbing down of the police dept. Well see what that produces.”
It will produce police officers that will commit even more mayhem on the streets of America. Exactly what they want. It’s a plan.
The U.S. Department of inJustice is busy again I see. I wonder when they will be abolished.
“Below IQ level of 85, dang, just contract it out to the chinese. “
With our current immigration situation, below 85 IQ will be the norm.
" The dumbing down of the police dept. Well see what that produces. "
It will produce police officers that will commit even more mayhem on the streets of America. Exactly what they want. Its a plan.
From the article:
"It's a move required by the U.S. Department of Justice after it says not enough African-Americans passed the exam."
In the years of 68-69 race riots raged in Dayton; white flight took hold and by the early 70's the factory's were shutting down; NCR with 10,000 per shift, Frigerdare, GM, and so many others, all left when they saw the destruction of the city by those who dwell until today on the West Side.
Any city that elects a foul mouth uneducated politician to run the city deserves this.
ABC couldn't print the truth if their lives depended on it.
Everything old is new again.
I graduated from the University of Cincinnati with honors with a B.S. in Criminal Justice in the early `80s. I tested above 95% written and physical for every police department that was hiring in the region. I kept getting passed over in favor of minorities and females who, in some cases, were scoring in the low 70’s and upper 60’s - but very, very rarely higher than my scores.
The Commandant of the Ohio Highway patrol suggested that with my transcripts I should consider law school because it would be “difficult” for me to find a good paying law enforcement job “at this time”. As I was escorted out one of the instructors who proctored the exams told me I was “too white and too male.”
Every day, in every way, Obama seems determined to exceed Carter for ineptitude.
“not enough African-Americans passed the exam”
I refuse to use the term “African-American”.
I grew up using “colored” or “negro”.
It was fine for the NAACP, and the United Negro College Fund.
It is interesting you mentioned the military in the context of this story. Invariably, ‘affirmative action’ comes at the expense of veterans preference, essentially wiping out any real advantage to having served in the military.
Excellence for everyone!
I also noticed they did not print what I thought should be the proper headline.
So if your dog is 11 years old, expect it to not only be shot but raped first.
It’s the dumbing down of America!!!
The implications of a “diverse” police force are most interesting. White liberals will enjoy encounters with the “diverse” one’s.
Did you ever consider a lawsuit? That is horrible. What did you end up doing in your professional life?
The dumbing down of the police dept. Well see what that produces.
It will produce police officers that will commit even more mayhem on the streets of America. Exactly what they want. Its a plan.
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Plan is correct.
When these misfits (lets call them HOLDERS 100,000) are allowed to ‘take over’ the established ‘older’ police will be medically retiring early for stress or some other malady and the low scorers will replace them- which will more strain on the economics of the community..
Before you know it, the whole force is “Dumber than a sack of rocks”.
MacNamara’s 100,000 didn’t work cause the troops either wouldn’t put up with the idiots or left them out of the process.
Bad for everyone involved....especially the overworked troops picking up the slack from the no doers....
“Before you know it, the whole force is Dumber than a sack of rocks.”
That is a desirable outcome if you think about it.
In my opinion, the American people lowered their standards in the election of 2008.
“It will be interesting when they get around to doing this for airline pilots! 30 plus years ago I an encounter with an EEOC officer who had flown into town for a meeting with my county agency on our testing procedures for paramedics. He was insistent that lots of people can do the work but just dont do well on tests. I asked him if he would get back on the plane and return to Washington if he knew the pilots didnt do well with exams and had failed their written tests for several ratings? He didnt see the humor, but I think he might have gotten the point.”
It is true as a principle any test that is not the actual job itself does add and miss qualifications which are not relevant to the job at hand.
It is regrettable that our testing technology is so crude. In the future it may be possible to construct a test that more closely simulates the actual requirements of a job.
Such a test would invariably increase the number of qualified workers for a job and thus benefit any employer that choose an a more accruate test enabling them utilize this population.
An improved test would also save the employeer money lost due to ultimatly unqualfied employees passing the test for lack of something not adaquitly tested for.
The point is testing error cause a lot of problems. One of the most common forms of testing error is related to the reading and writing function of the test. Some people are poor at theses tasks which may not have anything significant to do with the job at hand.
I’m a lawyer. Have been for 23 years. Quite happy with my career choice. I’m a Fellow in the American College of Employee Benefits Counsel and I’ve authored six books on employee benefits law. I speak at conferences around the nation and I provide expert witness testimony and act as an arbitrator in benefits contracts disputes. As much as I would want to be a cop (many friends are), I couldn’t afford the pay cut.
But isn't reading and writing a function that is relevant in virtually every job? Especially police work?
There are exceptions, I'm sure. But any job that requires a civil service exam would seem to require a working knowledge of reading and writing.
Glad to hear that it worked out for you in the end, but to get pushed there because of the discriminatory practices you described was quite sad to read.
“”One of the most common forms of testing error is related to the reading and writing function of the test. Some people are poor at theses tasks which may not have anything significant to do with the job at hand.”
But isn’t reading and writing a function that is relevant in virtually every job? Especially police work?
There are exceptions, I’m sure. But any job that requires a civil service exam would seem to require a working knowledge of reading and writing.”
Indeed at some point in the future your ability to read or write may be rendered nearly meaningless for most jobs.
This is going to become even more apparently.
You make very valid points.
The true test of a person’s ability to perform a task or job is to actually do it, and even if not well, at least without disastrous consequences.
Testing is an inexact science at best, at least in many respects. We were working to come up with a test that would help us decide which applicants would make good paramedics. This was 30 years ago and the notion of advanced pre-hospital care was in its infancy.
Then we could just make 85 the new 100, then everyone will be smarter.
Somehow, I don't ever see than happening, do you?
Before you know it, the whole force is Dumber than a sack of rocks.
That is a desirable outcome if you think about it
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True in a good sense BUT, remember, ‘they’ want us unarmed - put a bunch of dumb hoods in uniform, with guns, and disaster looms....
Almost sounds like that ‘Private Army’ some Presidential Wannabe (occupier) was ‘pushing’.....
And Holder (probably) figures why prosecute people for polling place infractions, when you can just make them the ‘popo;.?
That is a ‘lose-lose’ situation.
Just what authority does the DOJ have to tell cities who to hire for their police departments? Why doesn’t Dayton, and other cities, tell Holder to f*** off.
I agree, and thank you. I always wanted to be a cop. That was denied me for no reason other than the color of my skin and my gender.
Holder means “My People”!!!
I agree, the rest of us are whites with NO hyphens!!!
“It will be interesting when they get around to doing this for airline pilots!”
This has been in effect for years now throughout the aviation industry:
Racial Preferences at United Airlines
United Airlines Affirmative Discrimination
Down: UAL Story Index
The color and gender of UAL’s pilots is more important than your safety in the UNfriendly skies.
“the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) hired women and minorities who did not know the front end of an airplane from the back; and tried, largely unsuccessfully and at great expense, to train them as air traffic controllers and flight service specialists, while experienced male pilots were passed over.”
Disgraced, Failed Female Navy Pilot Pursues Vendetta Against Organization that “Outed” Her
Center for Military Readiness ^ | 2/03 | Donnelly
Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:49:29 PM by pabianice
“...It is regrettable that I had to spend more than $ 500,000 to defend CMR [against] a baseless suit filed by former Navy LT Carey Lohrenz (Lorhenz had been “female quotaed” through Navy flight training and finally relieved of flying duty by her carrier CO after she had so scared the rest of the crew that no one would fly with her. She then sued CMR for releasing the details of her incompetence and grounding for “ruining her career.” CMR subsequently successfully defended itself in US District Court).
“The proximate cause of
the mishap was pilot error. There was an engine failure, but it
wasn’t fatal by itself; it had to be compounded by numerous gross
errors on her part. The mishap board identified four “aircrew
factors” as contributing factors to the mishap, including heavy use of
rudder while single-engine (a no-no), failure to execute proper
waveoff procedures, failure to inform the RIO of the emergency, and
failure to make a timely decision to eject.
The Navy issued a press release stating that the “cause” of the mishap
was the engine failure, and this was widely reported as Truth by the
press, who—contrary to what you saw in “All the President’s Men”—rarely
dig any deeper than the latest press release. They did this to head
off well-deserved criticism that they had rushed an under-qualified
female through the program just to meet their quota in that category.”