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For Michele Bachmann, A Pattern of Getting Facts Wrong [makes Palin look like Count Metternich]
Politico ^ | 3/12/11 9:48 PM EST | By JONATHAN MARTIN & KENDRA MARR

Posted on 03/12/2011 9:38:34 PM PST by fight_truth_decay

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s suggestion Saturday that the Revolutionary War began in Concord, N.H., rather than Lexington and Concord, Mass., marks the third time in recent months that the potential GOP presidential hopeful has committed a puzzling gaffe about history and current affairs.

Making her first trek to New Hampshire as a 2012 prospect, Bachmann told a GOP crowd in Manchester: “You’re the state where the shot was heard around the world at Lexington and Concord.”

The Revolutionary War began, not in New Hampshire’s capital, but in the famous two towns more than 50 miles away in Massachusetts.

For Bachmann, who leads the House Tea Party caucus and champions a return to the Constitution, to get such basic facts wrong about the country’s birth is revealing.

Her comment wasn’t just an off-hand reference that she inserted in her remarks. At a fundraiser Friday night on the New Hampshire Seacoast, Bachmann said almost the exact same thing

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Bachmann was also criticized for getting the Iwo Jima facts wrong back in February during her SOTU speech.

Bachmann playing off to her web camera instead of direct eye contact to the networks camera was a more minor WTF moment, as Sarah Palin might describe.

I seem to recall....

Obama: "I have now been in 57 states, [?] I think one one left to go...one left to go.. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to.. even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it"

Biden: "Stand up Chuck!..Oh God love ya, what am I talking about!! Stand up for Chuck!! Good to see ya buddy!!"

1 posted on 03/12/2011 9:38:40 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

What matters is her prudent applications of government, in all 57 States.


2 posted on 03/12/2011 9:50:13 PM PST by Loud Mime (If it is too stupid to be said, people will listen to it, if sung - - Voltaire)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Politicians are wise to have their stump speeches fact-checked before making them. (With the literacy level of the average public-schooled intern it still might go bad.)


3 posted on 03/12/2011 9:51:20 PM PST by GVnana
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However, New Hampshire, COLONY OF, was for many years a dependent of Massachusetts, but first to form an independent State government (Jan. 5, 1776) as temporary, to last only during the war; a permanent State government was not established until June 4, 1784.
4 posted on 03/12/2011 9:52:41 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Making her first trek to New Hampshire as a 2012 prospect, Bachmann told a GOP crowd in Manchester: “You’re the state where the shot was heard around the world at Lexington and Concord.”

The Revolutionary War began, not in New Hampshire’s capital, but in the famous two towns more than 50 miles away in Massachusetts.

Big deal. The sad fact of things is that 9 of 10 Americans would not recognize this as a mistake. There is only local impact on this gaff.

5 posted on 03/12/2011 9:54:54 PM PST by Barnacle (Is treason a high crime or misdemeanor?)
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To: Loud Mime

Once you’re the incumbant it doesn’t matter how many gaffes you make.


6 posted on 03/12/2011 9:56:12 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Loud Mime

Once you’re the incumbent it doesn’t matter how many gaffes you make.


7 posted on 03/12/2011 9:56:26 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

If you are a good Democrat, it doesn’t matter what gaffes you make and how many. Only Repulicans are held to strict standards in this regard.


8 posted on 03/12/2011 9:57:54 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: fight_truth_decay

These asswipe morons at the politico are drooling Hussein cultists...because any fair, objective CHECK on the gaffe meter would show the Kenyan Communist knows less about some basic facts than Michele Bachmann on any given subject.

Naval Corpsemen, the effects of capital gains taxes, and the 3000% percent raise, are the first examples that come to mind of the verbal idiocy displayed by the man-child occupant of the top of the executive branch.

But the “journalists” at the politico obviously have their noses buried so far up Hussein’s backside, they can’t hear him speak.


9 posted on 03/12/2011 9:59:32 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: fight_truth_decay

I wonder who filled in little Jonathan and Kendra about Concord and Lexington. I doubt they even knew about those two towns until someone pointed out Michelle’s mistake to them.


10 posted on 03/12/2011 9:59:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Look for the union label and just say, NO!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Only Repulicans are held to strict standards in this regard.

Yes, they are by the liberal media.

For republicans or democrats, when they see a candidate in the primaries known to make gaffes it should be a red flag. Last thing we want to see is for a gaffe making nominee going up against a gaffe making incumbent.

11 posted on 03/12/2011 10:02:34 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: fight_truth_decay
While the facts are important, I really can't buy into the "Katic Couric" plan that presidential candidates be potential "Jeopardy" winners.

A leader should possess many things other than rote memorization of historic dates, times and places.

The most needed quality for a leader for America right now is courage. With countless advisors at hand, not to mention a tireless staff, any situation required historical accuracy can be researched at a moment's notice, just like obama's teleprompter writers do.

Governor Scott Walker is a perfect example of a leader - courage and integrity beyond reproach. Knowing the right thing, and doing...damn the torpedoes.

Fixing all of America's ills will be a be a gigantuan task; it will take a super hero just to undo obama's messes. But now that the left has had a taste of unbridled power, they are not going gently into that good night, we have a fight on our hands.

The upcoming battle is not for the faint of heart like Jimmy Carter, nor the appeasers, like John McCain. The left has a lot of good "intimidators"...who use terrorist-like scare tactics to weaken our resolve. They hope that fear will keep us from fighting, as they don't really want a fight. It's like the old schoolyard saying, "One is scared, and the other one is glad of it.".

Whichever candidate, or potential presidental candidate comes forward, the left if going to leash the Kracken on them with their favorite weapon, the politics of personal destruction. With their screwy policies and liberal/socialist ideology, it's the only thing they have...well, except cheating at the ballot box.

However, i disagree with the notion that our side must pass a pop quiz in history and adhere to Courics approved reading list to be a president - especially looking at what we have in office now.
12 posted on 03/12/2011 10:06:07 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: GVnana
Would it not be refreshing if they just spoke "straight from the heart".. and especially not give history lessons to those in states, where the speaker does not live. Safer that way. They stray away their comfort zone. It becomes unnatural and that turns off a voter.

Mrs. Clinton stumping in Maine as a Democratic candidate made me laugh when she said that when she drove by the Maine mills inactive, they should get up and running [words to that effect]... they should be burning wood- with all the trees in Maine. It was in her speech in Lewiston, Maine; but never reported. I could just picture little Leprechaun laborers lugging logs to an enormous wood fired furnace all day long..for what purpose?

13 posted on 03/12/2011 10:12:11 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Loud Mime

And supporting those brave corpsemen!


14 posted on 03/12/2011 10:13:49 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Loud Mime

only makes politico seem PETTY and SMALL!


15 posted on 03/12/2011 10:19:06 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (To anger a Christian, Lie to them. To anger a muslim, tell them the TRUTH!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Concord NH is kind of close to Lexington MA.

Not that close but... Whatnot, when you are talking to the retarded.

I have been on the Concord green many times. I can walk from my house to where a band of 200 men mustered and walked 16 miles to fight that day at Concord MA. Most of them never survived the war.

If you are living in a housing project in Manchester NH, any Concord may as well be on Mars... Just get out and vote in November. There are rides available for you too...


16 posted on 03/12/2011 10:21:53 PM PST by mmercier
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Would it not be refreshing if they just spoke "straight from the heart".. and especially not give history lessons to those in states, where the speaker does not live."

It would be refreshing if a pol knew American history intimately enough to stir local crowds by speaking to their unique American inheritance. I would want a Pennsylvania speech to rally the community to the sacrifices of Valley Forge, a Texas crowd to the Alamo, an Hawaiian crowd to Pearl Harbor, etc. For somebody conversant with, and passionate about our history, those types of things are straight from the heart.

17 posted on 03/12/2011 10:27:36 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Barnacle
The sad fact of things is that 9 of 10 Americans would not recognize this as a mistake

Ah...but in New England voters of a more adult age with roots in the same..take pride in the history of our 13 colonies [and still fly the flag on the 4th] as so we are often related to the early founders, governors, Tories, etc. Maine was an exclave of Massachusetts until 1820.

Now once I spoke to a customer service person [and not India] and she asked if New England was in Europe..so...lol will give you that.

Plus, remember you can't fool a 5th grader!!

18 posted on 03/12/2011 10:37:39 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: mmercier

Is Aunt Zeituni allowed to vote?


19 posted on 03/12/2011 10:40:52 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Joe 6-pack
if a pol knew American history intimately enough to stir local crowds by speaking to their unique American inheritance

Newt's strong suit..to bad his other suits are soiled.

20 posted on 03/12/2011 10:43:17 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Would it not be refreshing if they just spoke "straight from the heart".

Indeed.

21 posted on 03/12/2011 10:44:39 PM PST by GVnana
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To: fight_truth_decay

“had Palin simply said the nonsense Biden has voiced we would think she was lunatic and she should be gone from the race–and that disconnect reminds us again how the media sadly ignores the most unhinged things if only they come from the politically-correct.”

Imagine this: “If Sarah should say, as did Biden, that Americans once watched “President” FDR on TV in 1929 rally the public after the Great Panic—Sarah is history. Fact. End of story.” - Victor Davis Hanson


22 posted on 03/12/2011 10:46:13 PM PST by anglian
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From The Anchoress. Side-by-side Gibson/Obama and Gibson/Palin questions and more. There’s no doubt the Charles Gibson interviews showed extreme prejudice against Palin and extreme favoritism towards Obama…He constantly questioned her ability to lead but never questioned Obama’s ability to lead.
Obama interview:

How does it feel to break a glass ceiling? How does it feel to “win”? How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling? Who will be your VP? Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP? Will you accept public finance? What issues is your campaign about? Will you visit Iraq? Will you debate McCain at a town hall? What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Palin interview:

Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders? Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job? Questions about foreign policy -territorial integrity of Georgia -allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO -NATO treaty -Iranian nuclear threat -what to do if Israel attacks Iran -Al Qaeda motivations -the Bush Doctrine -attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin] http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/12/side-by-side-gibson-questions-more/


23 posted on 03/12/2011 10:52:45 PM PST by anglian
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To: fight_truth_decay

They’re going to Quayle-ize and Palin-ize and marginalize her. She’s got to be perfect or they’ll jump on every gaffe as proof of her right-wing stupidity.

Very sad.


24 posted on 03/12/2011 10:57:07 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: fight_truth_decay

This is just what the liberal media needs to push the Japan earthquakes off of the front page.


25 posted on 03/12/2011 11:03:39 PM PST by webheart (Just saying.....)
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To: fight_truth_decay

But Hillary or Obama can make stupid statements and the MSM ignores them.

Let Michelle or Sarah slip up and they rant for weeks or months or years about it.


26 posted on 03/12/2011 11:04:01 PM PST by Aroostook25
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To: GVnana
Politicians are wise to have their stump speeches fact-checked before making them.

Exactly.

This is 3rd grade history for New England. There's a Patriot's Day Holiday in MA and ME.... The Boston Marathon is run on that day .... The Red Sox always play at Fenway at 11 AM on that day.....

If it had been off an cuff statement to answer a town hall question she would be given a pass. It is local history and voters wouldn't expect her to know every detail of regional history.

This is, however, a prepared speech in NH. It would have taken 10 seconds to fact-check on Wikipedia. Instead, she made a statement that any 3rd grader would know is incorrect. Why should anything else she says be taken seriously by an uncommitted voter scrutinizing her positions?

She will be dismissed out of hand as someone who doesn't do their homework.

She's a Tea Party spokesperson. She can't come across as someone who doesn't respect the intellect of local voters enough to get 3rd grade history correct on a topic she herself chose to present.

The arguments that other politicians have made gaffes is specious. Independent New Englanders already know they're bullsh.t artists. They're looking for someone who isn't.

27 posted on 03/12/2011 11:21:14 PM PST by longjack
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To: fight_truth_decay

ROTFLOL They are such liars.


28 posted on 03/12/2011 11:28:45 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Ever notice how it always takes TWO liberal jugheads to write this crap.


29 posted on 03/12/2011 11:51:39 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Look for the union label and just say, NO!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama. .....Barack Obama

Selma was in 1965 —
Obama was born in 1961

30 posted on 03/13/2011 12:40:40 AM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: fight_truth_decay

Besides the media double standard (everyone gets details wrong), we should keep in mind that Michele may have had the right Concord in mind and not paid attention to the fact that she was in the wrong one. I’ve been on the road, and it’s not easy to remember where you are.


31 posted on 03/13/2011 1:31:09 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Aroostook25

But Hillary or Obama can make stupid statements and the MSM ignores them.

I agree about Obama but Hillary gets tons of crap. That whole getting off the aircraft and running for safety due to bullets being fired overhead was played over and over again on the media during the primaries.


32 posted on 03/13/2011 1:59:07 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: fight_truth_decay

Uhgg.. The snobbery in this article is so offensive. None more than the comment “She makes Sarah Palin look like Count Metternich” from a so-called GOP consultant Mike Murphy.

I hope someone does a piece on Mike Murphy. I want to know who exactly consults him. It would help reveal more of the left-leaning, big-government, old-guard appeasers and compromisers in the GOP. (James O’Keefe, are you available?) These guys see the writing on the wall. They know they are dinosaurs about to eat their last meals and they are lashing out at those who represent the common man of the United States.

Bachmann is loved and admired precisely because she is not a card-carrying member of the elitist Washington clique of snobs. She is uncompromisingly conservative, she is a God-fearing family woman, she is a brilliant, hard-working, and accomplished lady, she is a fearless leader and exudes confidence, and she is drop-dead gorgeous. The same could be said about Sarah Palin. The opposites could be said about the old-guard GOP who have been too quick, too often to surrender their positions and vote with the big government socialists.


33 posted on 03/13/2011 4:15:28 AM PDT by GreatJoeMcCarthy
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To: longjack
"This is, however, a prepared speech in NH. It would have taken 10 seconds to fact-check on Wikipedia. Instead, she made a statement that any 3rd grader would know is incorrect. Why should anything else she says be taken seriously by an uncommitted voter scrutinizing her positions?"

If you actually take the time to check Wikipedia, you will find that for much of it's existence, pre-Revolution, New Hampshire WAS part of Massachusetts. They were joined and separated several times. So the real facts of history are a bit more nuanced than you think.

34 posted on 03/13/2011 4:16:20 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: fight_truth_decay

Does she know there are 50 states in the US?


35 posted on 03/13/2011 4:17:52 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Wonder Warthog
So the real facts of history...a bit more nuanced

I grew up in Massachusetts. I don't need to hear the nuance BS about Concord & Lexington. We're not talking about King Philips's war here.

Her statement is an automatic double facepalm for the residents of the area she is campaigning in, from 3rd graders on up.

If Bachmann is serious about campaigning outside of Minnesota she needs to have local people proofread her speeches.

36 posted on 03/13/2011 4:30:46 AM PDT by longjack
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To: fight_truth_decay

I guess only Jeopardy winners can run for office. Ken Jennings, where are you?


37 posted on 03/13/2011 5:28:25 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: fight_truth_decay

Forgive her. Several generations of us have been brought up on falsified history. I’m just now correcting that for myself.


38 posted on 03/13/2011 6:17:02 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

She was just complimenting the people of New Hampshire on their tremendous sense of hearing. She didn’t say the shot was fired in New Hampshire, she said they heard it there. Those New Hampshireinians have many abilities.


39 posted on 03/13/2011 9:50:48 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: longjack
She's a Tea Party spokesperson. She can't come across as someone who doesn't respect the intellect of local voters enough to get 3rd grade history correct on a topic she herself chose to present...[and all]

Agree 100% "longjack"..and we all write that the other side says "this" and "that"..but I must admit is no excuse.

Fox News [by hiring] and other media outlets have overexposed [for media ratings] our best possibles.. they,therefore, become political celebrities/actors and are not taken seriously anymore.

So we are left without a Republican leader, not that I thought Bachmann stood any kind of a chance as President. But, I am disappointed.

...maybe there is no one out there with presidential leadership material, the "right stuff and IT factor".. and we go as a popular comment always made- "the worst of all evils".

40 posted on 03/14/2011 6:56:31 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

I wonder if the DemonHack Operatives JONATHAN MARTIN & KENDRA MARR are published in all 57 States for Corpsemen? If they just spread the wealth around, then the bitter gun-and-bible clingers could stop acting stupidly.


41 posted on 03/14/2011 7:04:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (NPR is the ACORN of the media world.)
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To: Pollster1; longjack
Michele may have had the right Concord in mind and not paid attention to the fact that she was in the wrong one. I’ve been on the road, and it’s not easy to remember where you are.

..that may even be worse..lol

This part I did like from a voter; but not Bachmann ... [sighs]:

"We see you on Fox all the time! Keep up the good work!" called out Valerie Lallas, a retrired teacher from Lynnfield, as Bachmann signed autographs after her speech.

"I'm on CNN, too," Bachmann replied.

"But we don't watch CNN," Lallas said.

Bachmann was trying to show she was more Independent? didn't want to be connected specifically with Fox, her ever faithful cheerleaders?

42 posted on 03/14/2011 7:13:18 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Thanks for the support.

I like and respect Bachmann and think that, as ditsy as this statement is, people will understand she under the stress of a campaign and just screwed up.

I hope she learns a lesson and hires local proof readers. It just surprises me that some people want to try to pass this statement off as being correct in some esoteric way.

I grew up in New England and this stuff is baseball & apple pie level US history there.

It was a major gaffe.

43 posted on 03/14/2011 7:18:10 AM PDT by longjack
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To: blueunicorn6
She didn’t say the shot was fired in New Hampshire, she said they heard it there. Those New Hampshireinians have many abilities.

Yes, there were many more trees then which the sound could bounce off from, the King marked them for himself --the White Pines War was in great part of why the Revolutionary War came to be.

The school was in Manchester, NH.
The "Republican fund raising" honey pot was at a hotel in Nashua.

44 posted on 03/14/2011 7:28:06 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: longjack
I grew up in New England

as I..

..and agree with you further.

45 posted on 03/14/2011 7:30:44 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: GreatJoeMcCarthy
She makes Sarah Palin look like Count Metternich

..but that was a positive spin for Palin!! Matternich was thought highly intelligent and moral..perhaps the nicest thing they have said about Palin.

46 posted on 03/14/2011 7:35:01 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: FrankR
The most needed quality for a leader for America right now is courage. With countless advisors at hand, not to mention a tireless staff, any situation required historical accuracy can be researched at a moment's notice, just like obama's teleprompter writers do.

Your standards are very low.

Courage is all very well, but ignorant courage is worse than useless. The old saying, "fools go where angels fear to tread," is appropriate here.

A real leader has to know enough to be able to tell when one or more of those "countless advisers" is giving bad advice.

As for Ms. Bachmann's gaffe, I suppose it's natural enough; but what it really shows to the people of NH and MA, is that she doesn't care enough about them to take the proper care when she speaks.

47 posted on 03/14/2011 7:41:43 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Don't forget to squish that pimple on your nose as you look down it at me.


48 posted on 03/14/2011 7:49:51 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FrankR

You’re full of pus, frank.


49 posted on 03/14/2011 8:19:31 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thats sad that she made this mistake.

The way things are, she is done as a potential candidate.

Repubs/Conservatives can not make ONE MISTAKE otherwise they are DONE these days as far as the MSM and the general public is concerned.


50 posted on 03/14/2011 1:39:58 PM PDT by CapnJack
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