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Argentina's president will use Falklands as key to re-election
The Telegraph ^ | 3/13/2011 | Robin Yapp, Sao Paulo

Posted on 03/13/2011 2:29:25 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Argentina's president, is using her refusal to appoint an ambassador to Britain as demonstration of her hardline on the Falkland Islands, a key plank of her platform for election in October.

Tensions over the sovereignty of the Falklands have increased since British companies began drilling for oil in the region just over a year ago.

Argentina responded last August by abandoning plans to install a new ambassador in London and reports in Buenos Aires now indicate that none will be appointed this year.

Political analysts said the decision suggested that President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner could stoke up popular resentment about Britain's stance on the Falklands to help win crucial votes in the October poll.

The Argentine government has continued to dispute British sovereignty over the archipelago since its 1982 invasion was defeated.

Prof Mark Jones, an expert in Latin American politics at Rice University in Texas, said Mrs Kirchner's government was likely to use "zealous rhetoric" about the Falklands.

"Kirchner will use the Falklands issue to score political points with the electorate as well as to distract public opinion from topics that are potentially damaging for the Government," he said.

Argentina has not had an ambassador in London since Federico Mirre retired in 2008.

José Nun, a former minister, was lined up to take on the role at the end of 2009 but his appointment was delayed and then cancelled in protest

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1982; argentina; falklandislands; falklands; kirchner; obamasfault; oil; weaknessinvites

1 posted on 03/13/2011 2:29:26 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

2 posted on 03/13/2011 2:31:04 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: bruinbirdman

No more aircraft carrier or STOVL jets, UK, no more Falklands.

That’s where this is going.

UK appears to be totally fine with it.


3 posted on 03/13/2011 2:32:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: bruinbirdman

What is wrong with these argentinians? The falklands are populated by british people. Jeeze, maybe obama should declare cuba US territory cuz it’s close to florida.


4 posted on 03/13/2011 2:32:43 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It did not end too well for Argentina the last time they tried to claim the Falklands.


5 posted on 03/13/2011 2:38:11 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: bruinbirdman
The people of the Falklands overwhelmingly like being part of the United Kingdom. Argentina started an uprovoked war with Britain over this issue and they lost - the issue was settled then. It appears if they wanted to break away from Britain at any point, they would want to be an independent nation and not part of Argentina.

Falklands happy as British Overseas Territory and ‘don’t like being told by others what to do’

6 posted on 03/13/2011 2:38:16 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: bruinbirdman

Machismo in Latin America appears to be a problem for both genders in Central and South America. The Argentinians may need to learn a lesson about every generation or so regarding the Falklands. Dumb move.


7 posted on 03/13/2011 2:40:20 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: bruinbirdman

***The Argentine government has continued to dispute British sovereignty over the archipelago since its 1982 invasion was defeated. ****

An invasion designed to divert Argentine attention away from domestic problems.

The ship General Bellgrano(A survivor of pearl Harbor), went down in that fight.

Phil Donahue had a segment on his show about the Argentine conflict. The total ignorance of the audience was apalling as many blamed the US for that war.


8 posted on 03/13/2011 2:41:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: bruinbirdman
This woman is a disaster. There is no way the Falklands is just going to roll over and let the Argentinians just take over. I wonder if this dopey play of hers is going to work. The only thing that is going for Christina is that she is mildly attractive.


9 posted on 03/13/2011 2:41:20 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ConservativeTeen
Margaret Thatcher announces to Parliament that the Falklands have been invaded by Argentina in 1982.
10 posted on 03/13/2011 2:41:39 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: mamelukesabre
“What is wrong with these argentinians? The falklands are populated by british people.”

Kind of like Ireland was populated by Irish people?

The Brits have enough problems at home, let alone protecting some insignificant islands 10,000 miles away.

11 posted on 03/13/2011 2:43:16 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Lazlo in PA

In this picture she looks attractive, in the one above, she looks like a transvestite.


12 posted on 03/13/2011 2:43:52 PM PDT by rlmorel (How to relate to Liberals? Take a Conservative, remove all responsibility...logic...)
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To: bwc2221

The falklands are not fighting for independence ya dolt. ARgentina want to take over.


13 posted on 03/13/2011 2:47:44 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: bwc2221

Would you say the same thing about Guam? Should the US just let someone invade them?


14 posted on 03/13/2011 2:48:35 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Republican Wildcat
The people of the Falklands overwhelmingly like being part of the United Kingdom.

Indeed. I visited there last year, and that was definately the sentiment I heard from virtually everyone I encountered.

15 posted on 03/13/2011 2:48:47 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: bwc2221
The BritsAmericans have enough problems at home, let alone protecting some insignificant island Hawaii 10,000 2,500 miles away.
16 posted on 03/13/2011 2:49:31 PM PDT by rlmorel (How to relate to Liberals? Take a Conservative, remove all responsibility...logic...)
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To: bruinbirdman

She and her late husband - two totally corrupt politicians. Come to think of it, the only way she landed her job was by being married to the then current president. Kind of like Michelle succeeding Barack. Now, that is one very scary thought.

Speaking of Obama, how much do you want to bet that he would back Argentina, especially considering his past treatment of anyone British.


17 posted on 03/13/2011 2:52:21 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: bruinbirdman
Politicians<

Argentina has barely crawled up from an econimic meltdown - and this (bimbo? war monger? astute politician?) is fussing over something they never had.

She must want that oil plenty bad to dick around with a nuke power..... Even what's left of the British Navy is far larger and more modern than anything the Argis could ever hope to field... /p>

18 posted on 03/13/2011 2:55:37 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: bruinbirdman

If the Argentine’s elect this crazy corrupt b!tch again they get what they deserve! She has been a disaster for the country and needs to be bounced out. Problem is that all the politicians are corrupt as hell so it may be more of the devil you know versus the one you don’t but even so they could find one that’s a little bit less crazy.


19 posted on 03/13/2011 2:56:46 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: CdMGuy

His administration has already sided with them in calling for Britain to begin talks with Argentina. The Falklands have been British before Argentina existed as a nation. They have no claim to them - and they started an unprovoked bloody war with Britain over them in 1982 that they lost - the issue was decided then - no “talks” at this point make sense.


20 posted on 03/13/2011 2:58:41 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: bruinbirdman

The last time this came up Hildabeest said that the Falklanders had to ‘negotiate’ with Argentina. This also begs the question would President Obama allow Her Majesty’s Navy to re-supply on Ascencion Island as President Reagan did? 19 Months and counting.


21 posted on 03/13/2011 2:58:41 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: bruinbirdman

22 posted on 03/13/2011 2:59:24 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: bwc2221

More people died during the Falklands’ War than there were people living on the island.


23 posted on 03/13/2011 2:59:24 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: bwc2221

“Ireland was populated by Irish people?”

The northern Irish people want to be part of the UK.


24 posted on 03/13/2011 3:00:35 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: bruinbirdman

This would be a war over oil and I wonder if Britain would fight again and with what?


25 posted on 03/13/2011 3:01:50 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: fieldmarshaldj
argentina woman Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner
26 posted on 03/13/2011 3:03:12 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The Falklands are too well protected for the Argentinians to take them this time around. The last time, they faced a garrison of about 20 Royal Marines with light arms, now they would be facing 4 Eurofighters, artillery, AAA, naval support, and about 500 troops, probably battle-hardened from tours in Afghanistan, (with many more that could be airlifted in at short notice if tensions were to rise)...


27 posted on 03/13/2011 3:03:32 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: CdMGuy

He detests the British. After just finishing his book (Bill Ayers book, actually) “Dreams From My Father” his hate of the British just seeps from parts of it.


28 posted on 03/13/2011 3:05:12 PM PDT by rlmorel (How to relate to Liberals? Take a Conservative, remove all responsibility...logic...)
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To: bruinbirdman

If Argentina has a right to seize the Falklands, then the United States has the right to take back Cuba, which was a prize of war from Spain over a century ago.

I don’t give a rat’s arse what the OAS thinks.


29 posted on 03/13/2011 3:05:12 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The RAF does have a fighter base there.


30 posted on 03/13/2011 3:06:39 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Truth29
"This would be a war over oil . . . ."

[Falklands] Well results dampen oil explorers , Investors Chronicle - 16 February 2011

yitbos

31 posted on 03/13/2011 3:16:51 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Calusa
This also begs the question would President Obama allow Her Majesty’s Navy to re-supply on Ascencion Island as President Reagan did?

That kinda depends on how much he wants continued access to the airbase there.

32 posted on 03/13/2011 3:52:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it -Voltaire)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“The northern Irish people want to be part of the UK.”

No, the Scots and Welsh the British relocated to Ireland several hundred years ago want to be part of the UK. The Irish (which are almost a majority, if they are not already in Northern Ireland) want to be part of the Irish Republic.


33 posted on 03/13/2011 4:10:54 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: bwc2221

your argument, if applied equally, would make the USA the crazyhorse nation.


34 posted on 03/13/2011 4:13:58 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: SatinDoll; All

“If Argentina has a right to seize the Falklands, then the United States has the right to take back Cuba, which was a prize of war from Spain over a century ago.”

The American role to take over the Falklands is closer to the truth than you may know. Checkout this; Comodore Morris and the USS Deleware 1841 and the burning of Puerto Soledad ...


35 posted on 03/13/2011 4:24:56 PM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: rlmorel

Wow my thoughts exactly, not bad looking in one picture and transvestite in the other.


36 posted on 03/13/2011 4:26:54 PM PDT by decisis
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To: Secret Agent Man
No more aircraft carrier or STOVL jets, UK, no more Falklands.

And there is no more Lady Thatcher either.

Brits are handing over Britain to Muslims. Why would they not hand over the Falkland to Argentinians? It's such and embarrassing reminder about the empire and the British greatness.

37 posted on 03/13/2011 4:30:00 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
"northern Irish"

Maybe about half do. The country used to be 2/3 Protestant and 1/3 Catholic. The Catholic population is now over forty percent, and most of them support unification with The Republic of Ireland. The upcoming decades, and demographics, will decide the issue.

38 posted on 03/13/2011 4:52:15 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
The Falklands are too well protected for the Argentinians to take them this time around. The last time, they faced a garrison of about 20 Royal Marines with light arms, now they would be facing 4 Eurofighters, artillery, AAA, naval support, and about 500 troops, probably battle-hardened from tours in Afghanistan, (with many more that could be airlifted in at short notice if tensions were to rise)...

The Argies would also need to worry about the RN SSN force showing up and dropping Tomahawk cruise missiles onto mainland targets. Less risky and a LOT more effective than what was done during the Falklands War (the Vulcan Black Buck missions were somewhat intended to show that the Brits had the ability to attack Argentina proper.)
39 posted on 03/13/2011 5:06:33 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks bruinbirdman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristina_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_Kirchner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9stor_Kirchner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_for_Victory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party

http://www.google.com/search?q=Cristina+Fern%E1ndez+de+Kirchner+site:freerepublic.com
http://www.google.com/search?q=Nestor+Kirchner+site:freerepublic.com


40 posted on 03/13/2011 5:17:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

In 1982 a British task force used Ascension Island as a staging post during the Falklands War,[3] though according to Matthew Parris,[8] “...at the start of the Falklands conflict Washington at first refused Britain permission to use the USA-operated airfield facilities for refuelling RAF jets. Only after Mrs Thatcher intervened with Ronald Reagan did the Americans reluctantly concede.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island


41 posted on 03/13/2011 5:22:43 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: CdMGuy

I’ll take that bet. When Christina de Kirchner visited the US Obama apparently refused to meet with her. According to the Argentines I spoke to, this was because she badmouthed the US. Also, during the SOTU Obama mentioned he would be visiting Brazil,Chile, y El Salvador. Argentina was conspicuously absent.

When asked what the US’s position on the Falklands dispute would be, Hillary Clinton said the US would be “neutral”. As to what she meant by that, your guess is as good as mine.


42 posted on 03/13/2011 5:31:12 PM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Conservatism =/= Corporatism.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kMMqStpvi8Y/RokcH3t76WI/AAAAAAAAA2I/vpLwsZ4vMk4/s400/Cristina%2BFern%C3%A1ndez%2Bde%2BKirchner.jpg


43 posted on 03/13/2011 6:39:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
4 Typhoons? The ARgentine Airforce has 61 combate jets. At most, a Typhoon has what, 10 missile points, 8 or which are for AMRAAMS or Meteors. At best, assuming no evasion or successful use of countermeasure, that leaves only 29 jets against 4 Typhoons, each with 2 ASRAAMs. And that's assuming that no Typhoon is hit by any of the Mirage IIIs and their R.530.
When the British put 12, or better 24 Typhoons, they'll have a credible defense.
44 posted on 03/14/2011 12:13:00 AM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: rmlew

The most advanced fighter they have is an A4 Skyhawk, and most of their fighters aren’t even that. The Eurofighter could crap all over anything in their airforce, and that isn’t even taking into consideration the RAPIER missile batteries and probably the PAAMS Daring-class destroyer that would probably be on station nearby.
Overwhelming them with numbers would basically require them launch their entire airforce all at once (which I doubt they could) and then watch it get decimated until UK garrison forces ran out of missles.

If their airforce wasn’t totally destroyed, they’d have lost most of their aircraft, and for what?


45 posted on 03/14/2011 12:38:53 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: driftless2

Most people there just want peace, including the catholics. Even the Irish don’t really want reunification. It opens a whole can of worms that isn’t worth bothering about, it makes no real difference anyway because Being a British or Irish citizen is basically the same thing, other than having a slightly different passport.


46 posted on 03/14/2011 12:44:47 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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