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WSJ: Analysts predict 7.7% unemployment by November 2012
Hotair ^ | 03/14/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 03/14/2011 12:16:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The midterm elections turned into a referendum on the economy, the budget, and ObamaCare. Democrats lost their House majority and substantially weakened their Senate majority by spending the 111th Session ignoring the first, refusing to deal with the second, and spending about half of their time passing the third despite widespread opposition to the bill. Meanwhile, joblessness continued without much attention until the election rolled around, and the 9% jobless rate sealed the doom of Nancy Pelosi, if not Harry Reid.

What will unemployment be at the next election, and how will it impact voters in 2012? The Wall Street Journal surveyed economists and found that an average of their projections will put it at 7.7% when voters go to the polls:

The U.S. jobless rate will be 7.7% in November 2012, the highest level for a presidential election month since Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford in 1976, according to the average forecast of economists in the latest Wall Street Journal survey.

That rate is well below the 8.9% reported by the Labor Department for February, but still remains high as economists expect job gains to come slowly. “The labor market is a scar that will be slow to fade,” said Sean M. Snaith of the University of Central Florida.

On average, the 54 respondents—not all of whom answer every question—forecast the jobless rate will be 8.8% in June and 8.4% in December of 2011. They forecast the U.S. economy will add about 190,000 jobs a month over the next year—an improvement from the depressed level of job creation so far in this recovery, but still too low to bring the unemployment rate down quickly.

While the 7.7% rate in November 2012 would be the highest in seven presidential election cycles, analysts point out that it is often the overall trend—rather than the level of joblessness—that determines an incumbent’s fate. President Carter was defeated in 1980 by Ronald Reagan when the unemployment rate was 7.5%, lower than the level when he was elected but up from 5.6% earlier in his term. Meanwhile, President Reagan was re-elected in 1984 with the rate at 7.2%, but that was down sharply from the peak of 10.8% recorded in 1982.

A few caveats are in order in this analysis. First, nothing here accounts for the civilian participation rate in the workforce, which has dropped to 64.2%, the lowest since 1982. If that stays the same, then 7.7% won’t be as beneficial as it sounds, since it will mask a much higher drop in actual employment in relation to the population than the overall rate would indicate. During the last expansion, that number was up to 67.2% at its peak, which means that a significant number of people have dropped off the grid. And if they decided to start looking for jobs again, their return will spike the jobless number upward considerably even if the economy is producing a significant number of new jobs by then.

Next, the issue of trending is important but not necessarily decisive. One key part of the context will be that Barack Obama pledged that his $787 billion stimulus would prevent unemployment from going above 8% in the first place. Instead, the money is gone and interest payments are bogging down the budget, and it will have taken 3+ years to get down to a level that Obama predicted we’d hit before then without the stimulus. Regardless of who gets the Republican nomination, Obama’s challenger will beat that projection from Christine Romer at every campaign stop from the conventions to Election Day — as well as the White House’s “Recovery Summer” PR campaign from last year.

Also, trends become important when their impact can be felt as a trend. Drifting from 8.4% in December to 7.7% in November won’t have the same impact as Reagan’s drop from 10.8% in 1982 to 7.2% in November 1984, especially since civilian participation actually improved during that period. The difference in economic production was palpable and impressive, not drifting, gradual, and almost accidental.

Could Obama get re-elected with a 7.7% unemployment rate? It’s certainly possible, but it’s not enough of an improvement to increase his chances. It will likely depend on the Republican challenger, and how good a case he or she can build to convince voters that GOP leadership can provide better stewardship of the economy. Right now, that’s not a difficult case to make.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: unemployment; wallstreetjournal; wsj

1 posted on 03/14/2011 12:17:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh? Really? And will there be a budget surplus then too?

And when the "adjusted figures" are released in Dec 2012, just how ugly will it be?

2 posted on 03/14/2011 12:19:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SeekAndFind

I predict that gov’t “analysts” will pull that 7.7% unemployment number out of their butts by November 2012 to help Obama win re-election.


3 posted on 03/14/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I predict everyone on FR will find a new car under their Christmas tree. See how easy this prediction stuff is?


4 posted on 03/14/2011 12:20:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let people decide if those stats are cooked. If a person is unemployed then they will decide with their wallet.


5 posted on 03/14/2011 12:20:59 PM PDT by Tea Party Reveler
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To: SeekAndFind
The U.S. jobless rate will be 7.7% in November 2012, the highest level for a presidential election month since Jimmy Carter defeated Gerald Ford in 1976,

I'd be SHOCKED if it were anywhere near that LOW!

6 posted on 03/14/2011 12:20:59 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SeekAndFind

When you don’t count people who can’t find work and give up, you can make the rate about as low as you want.

The numbers are lies.


7 posted on 03/14/2011 12:21:03 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: SeekAndFind

But WHERE will those jobs be? The Left wing Blue States?
Michigan?
New York?
California?
Massachusetts?

Nope!

Texas and other Red States will be gaining.


8 posted on 03/14/2011 12:21:23 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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To: Windflier

I was thinking the same thing.


9 posted on 03/14/2011 12:21:32 PM PDT by RC one (WHOOPS. lol)
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To: SeekAndFind

And gas will be 1.50 a gallon also.

(sarc)


10 posted on 03/14/2011 12:21:32 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (The most dangerous place on the face of the earth is between a liberal and their money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Either they will fix the numbers to give the White House what it wants, or unemployment will unexpectantly still be above 8%.


11 posted on 03/14/2011 12:21:49 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: SeekAndFind

Reminds me of the live interview in 2006 of financial analysts, including Peter Schiff regarding the drop in house prices. Peter said this was the popping of the bubble. The rest said it was a temporary blip and everything was looking good. When He made his case, they LAUGHED AT HIM on live television. He was right.

I never forgot that the people of King County voted to have the Kingdome built by SouthCenter, but they built it in Seattle instead (it was used for a couple of decades and torn down a few years ago.

Same with “financial experts”.

I ignore them. They don’t have a clue what they are talking about.


12 posted on 03/14/2011 12:22:15 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SeekAndFind

As the world explodes and implodes around me I look at TV and am told just move along....Nahhh. Are things really so desperate? THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE SCAM is to try and save the crat party and is an obvious book cook.


13 posted on 03/14/2011 12:24:46 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the EXPECTED that later becomes the UNEXPECTED.


14 posted on 03/14/2011 12:25:04 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Windflier

Most people don’t believe the unemployment numbers now, nor do they believe that the recession ended nearly two years ago.


15 posted on 03/14/2011 12:25:33 PM PDT by chickadee
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s see, a crystal ball, delusional or just flat out lies.


16 posted on 03/14/2011 12:25:46 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

17 posted on 03/14/2011 12:27:37 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The raw U6 unemployment number is 22.1% for February 2011. That’s all you really need to know. http://www.shadowstats.com/


18 posted on 03/14/2011 12:28:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Another thing - the “stimulous” was mainly used to keep public workers on the payrolls. Now Republican governors all over the country are cutting those rolls which could drive the unemployment rate way up.


19 posted on 03/14/2011 12:29:09 PM PDT by chickadee
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To: SeekAndFind

I predict BO’s golf game will be much better in 2012.


20 posted on 03/14/2011 12:30:17 PM PDT by Reagan69 (I went to a shooting-victims' memorial service and all I got was a lousy T-shirt !)
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To: SeekAndFind

No surprise, even though Reuters, et al, will call it ‘unexpected’.

Just since Christmas, 3 million have been mysteriously lost from the unemployment numbers. Alien abductions?

By next fall, the Bureau of Labor Statistics could/will easily manipulate the numbers to reflect a rate of 8% or less.

Additionally, official inflation, we will be told, remains comparatively low, even though coffee may be $5.00+ per pound and gasoline $5.00 + per gallon.


21 posted on 03/14/2011 12:30:59 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

...should just be about good enough to get Dear Reader re-elected.. : (


22 posted on 03/14/2011 12:31:44 PM PDT by stevecmd
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
When you don’t count people who can’t find work and give up, you can make the rate about as low as you want.

The numbers are lies.

Yep. They do not count people who have come to the end of their unemployment as well as all the people who were never elligable for unemployment. Also, many people have given up looking for work.

I know quite a few people who were laid off from their high-five and low-six figure jobs and are now working at stores for $10 per hour. They are considered employed but are in financial distress. Most have already lost their homes.

While they are "employed", they are actually under-employed. They are not counted.

23 posted on 03/14/2011 12:32:39 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The raw U6 unemployment number is 22.1% for February 2011.

U6 increases and U3 decreases. Guess which one gets touted.
24 posted on 03/14/2011 12:34:20 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SeekAndFind
WSJ's Miss Maryann conducting poll of respected economists:


25 posted on 03/14/2011 12:34:58 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

The way the government now hides numbers is unbelievable.

Need Unemployment rates lower than they actually are, just adjust the number of people in the ‘employment pool’.

Need inflation rates lower than they are, just remove Food and Fuel (you know the two absolute neccessities every person has to have) from the equation.

All the government is doing is hiding the fact we have 10-15% inflation and 20% unemployment in this country - RIGHT NOW!


26 posted on 03/14/2011 12:35:12 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, don’t get nervous, everyone.

These folks can make their predictions, but the chances that they will be even remotely correct are pretty tiny.

Don’t sweat it.

-Rex


27 posted on 03/14/2011 12:36:16 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: All

Repeat after me.......

WAR IS PEACE,

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY,

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


28 posted on 03/14/2011 12:40:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: SeekAndFind
As soon as business and industry are confident Obama is on his way out of office, the US will see a dramatic increase in economic activity and rapid rise in employment - mark my words!!!
29 posted on 03/14/2011 12:40:53 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the unemployment rate is still hovering around 8% in November 2012, Obama is done. The economy went in the crapper in September of 2008. We could run Attila the Hun and win in this scenerio.


30 posted on 03/14/2011 12:48:39 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: SeekAndFind

From the ANALysts that have been wrong on every facet of reality for the last 20 years.

LLS


31 posted on 03/14/2011 12:48:43 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: Windflier
I predict that gov’t “analysts” will pull that 7.7% unemployment number out of their butts by November 2012 to help Obama win re-election.

Evidently about 90 million of us will be exiting the labor force...
33 posted on 03/14/2011 1:01:30 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: chickadee
Most people don’t believe the unemployment numbers now, nor do they believe that the recession ended nearly two years ago.

You're correct, but that won't stop the leftstream propaganda complex from blasting out one Big Lie after another next year to help the Boy King's chances of re-election.

Hopefully, they'll follow him into his well-deserved oblivion.

34 posted on 03/14/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well - under the current method of calculating unemployment, the 7.7% number might be “correct”...

By then, many millions of unemployed will roll off the unemployment rolls because they have run out of benefits, so thy are no longer counted among the “unemployed”.


35 posted on 03/14/2011 1:10:48 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Wall Street Journal surveyed economists and found that an average of their projections will put it at 7.7% when voters go to the polls:

Are these the economists and WSJ that so deftly predicted this whole financial debacle?

36 posted on 03/14/2011 1:13:20 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SeekAndFind
It will stay ugly.

A old prediction from Mish.
Mish Unemployment Projections Through 2020 - It Looks Grim


37 posted on 03/14/2011 1:13:34 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no doubt that ZERO and the MSM will manipulate the numbers to show 7.7% UNEP.


38 posted on 03/14/2011 1:20:03 PM PDT by DeaconRed (There will be WARS & Rumors or WARS. . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: KansasGirl
So in otherwards the rate will be around the same as when Bush left office so Obama has not improved anything and if the rate of 7.75 is good when O is the so called pResident than I suppose it would be good when G W Bush was President as well. Right?
39 posted on 03/14/2011 1:20:03 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Windflier
"I predict that gov’t “analysts” will pull that 7.7% unemployment number out of their butts by November 2012 to help Obama win re-election."

How about this. If the unemployed number is worse than that Democrats will win in a landslide believing they are being screwed by Republicans.

40 posted on 03/14/2011 1:20:04 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: OldMissileer

I resent their tone when they talk about people who have “given up looking for work”. It is reminiscent of the “jobs American’s won’t deeewww”. What it means is people who have looked for jobs, who KNOW there AREN’T any jobs so they’re not looking, but as soon as they hear about people being hired through the grapevine, they WILL be looking for jobs. And don’t get me started on the people who are working on a cash basis.


41 posted on 03/14/2011 1:21:18 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Altura Ct.
Are these the economists and WSJ that so deftly predicted this whole financial debacle?

No. These are the ones who said that the recession ended in June, 2009.

42 posted on 03/14/2011 1:28:58 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: SeekAndFind
Somebody's always predicting something

So... let me get in the act.

I predict: "If things don't change they'll stay the same".

43 posted on 03/14/2011 1:33:50 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: ex-snook
How about this. If the unemployed number is worse than that Democrats will win in a landslide believing they are being screwed by Republicans.

I think you meant, "lose in a landslide...", correct?

44 posted on 03/14/2011 1:56:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Wide-eyed optimists, more optimistic than gov't projections in fact.

I fully expect Obama to win reelection. He just needs to show up. It won't matter how bad things are or who is run by the GOP.

45 posted on 03/14/2011 2:42:27 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: SeekAndFind

oh really? and will the ‘lower unemployment’ also come with an increase in the number of people with jobs?

or just less people looking for work?

/clintonian-parser-enabled


46 posted on 03/14/2011 5:44:37 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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