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This is NOT going to make Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann happy ...
Gretawire @ Fox News ^

Posted on 03/14/2011 3:25:19 PM PDT by mnehring

At the House Rules Committee (on-cam, fed back live), House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-KY) tells his colleagues that it is impossible to "defund" the $105 billion in mandatory spending that was approved for the health care law that Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Steve King (R-IA) are demanding.

(Excerpt) Read more at gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: bachmann; deathofamerica; greta; michelebachmann; obamacare; steveking
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The full letter at the source is interesting.
1 posted on 03/14/2011 3:25:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Is that good ol’ ‘Gubamint Shutdown’ pork I smell bbq’ing on the grill?


2 posted on 03/14/2011 3:27:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: mnehring

Wow! Now congressmen have a whole new scam when they write bills. Just insert language that makes the money appropriated non discretionary. What a racket!

Congress, the only permanent American criminal class.


3 posted on 03/14/2011 3:28:35 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: mnehring

Defunding Obamacare is only impossible for RINOs.


4 posted on 03/14/2011 3:29:14 PM PDT by MeganC (Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: mnehring

Just tell the senate that nothing will get funded until Obamacare is defunded.


5 posted on 03/14/2011 3:31:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: mnehring

Are we being told that appropriations slipped into a bill by lies, deceit, and fraud perpetrated against the American people, can’t be reversed?

Are there people in prison today for committing IRS fraud?


6 posted on 03/14/2011 3:31:43 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: mnehring

And if the bill is unconstitutional?


7 posted on 03/14/2011 3:32:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: mnehring

Really makes the argument that we need to vote in the GOP to end this BS. They are a bunch of toothless tigers running around in DC. Did Pelosi stop to check the wording of things as they were jammed through?


8 posted on 03/14/2011 3:33:17 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mnehring

According to Rush, it takes a suspension of the rules to defund Obamacare, and the Republicans want to show the country that they play by the rules.

Well, DAMMIT, it your enemy is hitting below the belt (and no one cares), at some point you might just want to do the same thing...either that or throw in the towel.

I’ve SICK of this ONE-SIDED ‘civility’.


9 posted on 03/14/2011 3:33:21 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: mnehring
From the article:

(Rep, Norm Nicks D WA);" Dicks adds that they are trying to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year. And he says trying to "defund" health care doesn't help their efforts."

Amazing....

10 posted on 03/14/2011 3:33:24 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: mnehring

Bret Baier is about to bash Michelle Bachmann.

Guess they have to prove their liberal-ness.


11 posted on 03/14/2011 3:33:36 PM PDT by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: BobL

bttt


12 posted on 03/14/2011 3:34:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: BobL

And that is EXACTLY why I think Trump should be POTUS. Current GOPers are way too polite and timid to do anything gutsy; Trump is already not well-liked, and I doubt whether he cares what anyone thinks.


13 posted on 03/14/2011 3:35:19 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: mnehring

Impossible huh? Come on Michelle, let’s see you do the impossible.


14 posted on 03/14/2011 3:35:28 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: mnehring

Defund HHS and every department that would be involved in implementing the spending.


15 posted on 03/14/2011 3:35:28 PM PDT by listenhillary (Social Justice is the epitome of injustice.)
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To: mnehring

So is it an owners lockout or a players strike?


16 posted on 03/14/2011 3:35:50 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: mnehring

17 posted on 03/14/2011 3:35:56 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: mnehring

This is BS, This is a New Congress,They Make the Rules ,they can Suspend Rules,This is a BS Scam. The Problem with Rogers is that he is too cute By Half. Change the Rules and Take out the Money or shut down the Whole Shebang,Period


18 posted on 03/14/2011 3:36:25 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Gene Eric
And if the bill is unconstitutional?

Are you referring to that ancient parchment that sits in a case in Washington DC?
That's just a guideline. It doesn't really mean anything.

19 posted on 03/14/2011 3:39:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: BobL
... the Republicans want to show the country that they play by the rules.

Or, no backbone.

20 posted on 03/14/2011 3:41:37 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: mnehring
House "Rules" - they ARE the House, dammit. We sent them there to play by "new rules" not continue to act like sissies that they seem happy to be (for the MSM, naturally!)

If Boehner can't seem to really the troops to make this happen, then he needs another job.

21 posted on 03/14/2011 3:44:53 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: stevio
Impossible huh? Come on Michelle, let’s see you do the impossible.

Nobody should sell her short (nor Steve King for that matter).
22 posted on 03/14/2011 3:45:13 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: mnehring
House "Rules" - they ARE the House, dammit. We sent them there to play by "new rules" not continue to act like sissies that they seem happy to be (for the MSM, naturally!)

If Boehner can't seem to really the troops to make this happen, then he needs another job.

23 posted on 03/14/2011 3:45:31 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: mnehring

GO Michelle and Steve!!!


24 posted on 03/14/2011 3:46:17 PM PDT by Redhd2
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To: mnehring
House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-KY) tells his colleagues that it is impossible to "defund" the $105 billion

Hopefully the good people in this bums district send him the message that it is impossible to vote for his sorry ass anymore. What is this crap, the democraps can deem something passed but the damn republicans cannot remove it. BS.

25 posted on 03/14/2011 3:48:28 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: mnehring

Impossible? I really find it hard to believe that. Difficult, maybe. Politically inexpedient for the leadership, probably. But impossible? I’m not buying it.

If nothing else, it certainly can’t be impossible to try to defund it. Now is not the time to be timid. Go for it, dagnabbit. Go for it before the thing spreads its roots and become so entrenched in government it really does become impossible to repeal.


26 posted on 03/14/2011 3:50:25 PM PDT by DemforBush (With a Bocephus sticker on his 442, he'd light 'em up just for fun)
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To: Joann37

“And that is EXACTLY why I think Trump should be POTUS.”

Maybe. I heard him and he sounded pretty sharp. I had thought he was just another nerd like Steve Forbes...ready to solve the Arab/Israeli conflict with a flat tax, or something. Maybe he is better.


27 posted on 03/14/2011 3:51:44 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: mnehring

Fine pull the plug on the worthless government then!


28 posted on 03/14/2011 3:53:03 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: mnehring
He wants another parkway named after him . . . i.e. he's trying to be Mr. Popular in DC


29 posted on 03/14/2011 3:56:54 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: mnehring
That's nonsense. Congresses can't bind future Congresses in this way.

ARTICLE ONE - Section 5:

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member

30 posted on 03/14/2011 3:56:54 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: mnehring
That's nonsense. Congresses can't bind future Congresses in this way.

ARTICLE ONE - Section 5:

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member

31 posted on 03/14/2011 3:57:18 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: mnehring

TRANSLATION: You stupid little cheque writing morons have no idea how a sophisticated body like the Congress conducts business. Just STFU and send us your money. /s

ENJOY THE JOHN BOEHNER/ BARACK OBAMA DEATH TO AMERICA HEALTHCARE PLAN. DO NOTHING AND YOU DESERVE IT !


32 posted on 03/14/2011 3:58:31 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: Carley

I don’t think he bashed her, just reported what she said and her CYA with the line of “It’s the last time I use Obama’s teleprompter”.

But C’mon everyone knows that was at the Polo grounds in 1951.


33 posted on 03/14/2011 3:58:40 PM PDT by bleach (Thanks to all you Vets!)
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To: mnehring

Just can’t e done, I tell ya /s


34 posted on 03/14/2011 4:02:03 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: mnehring

If the stinking Repubs do not defund DeathCare this year, we need to find a party that will. Scum.


35 posted on 03/14/2011 4:04:32 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: bleach

Ill say it again:

Can we organize and not pay our taxes? Is it that hard? I don’t know bout you guys but as a small business owner I get HAMMERED in my quarterly taxes. Writing out a large check just sucks the wind out of my sails. Am I alone here? If millions of us who own small businesses refused to pay what could the govt do to us? Put millions of us in jail? I don’t think so......


36 posted on 03/14/2011 4:07:47 PM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: TsonicTsunami08

“DO NOTHING AND YOU DESERVE IT!’

I hear you. We are spinning our wheels trying to change things within the confines of a broken system.


37 posted on 03/14/2011 4:11:19 PM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: saganite
Congress, the only (protected) permanent American criminal class.
38 posted on 03/14/2011 4:13:25 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: MeganC

Shouldn’t we defund it to see what we missed out on?


39 posted on 03/14/2011 4:14:06 PM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: mnehring

"Impossible?" I don't think so.

40 posted on 03/14/2011 4:14:49 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: hillarys cankles

I would stand tall with ya Canks,
but even during Revolutionary times, only about a third of us were up to the fight.
Regards,
crosdaddy


41 posted on 03/14/2011 4:20:54 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: Lancey Howard
Are you referring to that ancient parchment that sits in a case in Washington DC? That's just a guideline. It doesn't really mean anything.

Confine it to the ash heap of history along with those stone tablets containing the Ten Suggestions (Commandments). It would be Nirvana for the Communists.

42 posted on 03/14/2011 4:29:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: mnehring
Those durned Democrats sure is smart.

Much smarter'n them-thar RINOs, anyway.

43 posted on 03/14/2011 4:29:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: mnehring

Fine. This sets us up for another batch of Tea Party candidates in 2012.


44 posted on 03/14/2011 4:30:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: BobL

Let’s see if I understand this:

I save for 2 years to make a one-in-a-lifetime trip to somewhere ——like NOrway, where all my ancestors came from.

I have the money ‘allocated’ by setting it aside.

Then, for any number of last minute reasons, I cannot go.

Does that mean that I have to send the money to Norway anyway, even tho I didn’t make the trip?

The airlines—the restaurants—the hotels—the sightseeing tours still get my money.....even tho I am not going to go?

Please clarify this.

The money wasn’t to be spent until 2014——but it got set aside in language in a bill that Pelosi said ‘We can find out what is in it AFTER it passes”?????

Now we cannot stop the funding of over 105 Billion Dollars???????

Time for the revolution, folks.


45 posted on 03/14/2011 4:32:24 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: BobL

AMEN


46 posted on 03/14/2011 4:33:20 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: mnehring

Nothing is impossible...DE FUND IT NOW


47 posted on 03/14/2011 4:44:25 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Carley

Bret actually did not bash her. It was the leadup to her Facebook post where she responded to her own gaffe with dignity and humor. She posted that she would never borrow obama’s teleprompter again.

Baby gets back!!!


48 posted on 03/14/2011 4:50:07 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: mnehring
Boner and Cantor and this fool are the lobbyist's best buddies and want Obaamcare to survive because they need the issue alive for 2012 plus many health-care lobbyists want it !

Call these SOBs like this KY idiot on Tuesday and demand they strip the bill.

No congress can bind a future Congress.
Web are being lied to by our lobbyist thugs like BONER.

49 posted on 03/14/2011 4:51:53 PM PDT by ncalburt (Get Even on Election Day)
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To: mnehring; All
Here is a good summary of this $105B: Documented: $105 Billion Hidden Appropriations in Health Care Law (Page down a few times to the section with all of the "***" and each of the specific funding areas are listed.)

I must say that I found the exercise of reading through the "appropriations" section to be nauseating. In various little (2-3 sentence) paragraphs filled with meaningless government buzzwords, millions and billions of OUR dollars are doled out to various entities that have failed miserably from their inception, or to new entities that will be established to further build-out the beast. How many times do we see the phrase: "to remain available until expended." IOW, don't worry if you can't spend it fast enough, it will still be there to spend.

I do not understand how the act of that prior congress can establish these fiscal burdens for years into the future. (I always thought that there was something about one congress not being able to assume appropriations for a future congress? Maybe that was wishful thinking on my part?) It is disgusting. As a matter of fact, it appears that $105 billion is the minimum amount since I see that the (new) PPHF is established and "appropriates amounts to the fund in perpetuity." (All this at a clip of "FY2015 and each fiscal year thereafter = $2 billion.") WTF?

This monstrosity must be REPEALED in total. None of it can be allowed to stand.

An even more chilling thought -- I suspect that there are scores of similar legislative pieces that have done the same in terms of cavalier misappropriation for unconstitutional purposes. Is it any wonder that we find our "government" operating at such obscene levels of deficient spending that are growing larger with each passing month and year.

The problem that we have here with this specific aspect of the monstrosity is that this "act" is a mishmash of "Appropriations" and "Authorizations" mixed in with the establishment of a new set of "Entitlements."

Using this Glossary of Political Economy Terms, we can distinguish:

Entitlement program:
The kind of government program that provides individuals with personal financial benefits (or sometimes special government-provided goods or services) to which an indefinite (but usually rather large) number of potential beneficiaries have a legal right (enforceable in court, if necessary) whenever they meet eligibility conditions that are specified by the standing law that authorizes the program. The beneficiaries of entitlement programs are normally individual citizens or residents, but sometimes organizations such as business corporations, local governments, or even political parties may have similar special "entitlements" under certain programs. The most important examples of entitlement programs at the federal level in the United States would include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, most Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs.

Authorization bill:
A (proposed) formal act (or “law”) of a legislative body (such as the U.S. Congress or a state legislature) that legally establishes a new government agency or program or else renews or extends an existing agency or program whose previous legal authorization to exist would otherwise expire with the passage of time. Authorizations may be for one year or more than one year — about one-half of current Federal spending is by agencies or programs subject to annual re-authorization, while the other half gets its legal basis either from longer term authorization bills or from permanent laws that provide spending authority automatically to ongoing "entitlement" programs like Social Security. Authorization bills also include specific figures as funding levels for the agencies and programs, but these sums are upper limits only (for the guidance of the appropriations committee) — no money can actually be spent or committed by the agency or program administrators until after a separate appropriation bill has also been passed and signed into law, legally enabling the Treasury to disburse the money.

Appropriation bill:
A (proposed) formal action by a legislative assembly (such as the U.S. Congress or a state legislature) that specifies exact amounts of the government's money that the Treasury may legally pay out (through new hiring, contracts for purchases, findings of individuals' eligibility for income transfer payments, etc.) for each of a list of particular pre-authorized programs carried out by governmental agencies over a specific period of time (normally one year).

There are so many aspects of this goliath that are clearly NOT Entitlements (as commonly defined and used), and are enacted via Authorizations contained within, but are clearly NOT to be funded beyond the prior FY (when it was enacted) without the passage of specific Appropriations bills. They simply can not be allowed to mash all of this garbage into this one bill and assume that they have going forward funding (especially into perpetuity like the example mentioned above!).

I don't think it would be difficult for the current House to put the kibosh on this illegal spending if they set their mind to it (and are willing to suspend a damn rule!). Hopefully disallowing the spending for the current FY will hold off implementation, until the whole thing is sent into the trash-bin by SCOTUS later this year.

50 posted on 03/14/2011 4:58:45 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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