Skip to comments.Kan Warns of High Radiation Level ("Substantial amounts", shelter in place within 30km)
Posted on 03/14/2011 7:42:56 PM PDT by kristinn
TOKYOJapanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Tuesday that there is a high risk of elevated levels of radiation from a reactor at the Fukushima nuclear power plant where an explosion occurred earlier in the day, and urged people within 30 kilometers of the plant to stay indoors.
"Substantial amounts of radiation are leaking in the area," Mr. Kan said on television at 11 a.m. in Tokyo. "We are making utmost efforts to prevent further explosions or the release of radioactive materials," he said.
Early Tuesday morning local time, authorities said that an explosion inside part of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant appeared to have caused damage to the unit, and some staff were evacuated from the facility as radiation levels at the site rose sharply.
Mr. Kan began his address by asking people to be calm about the situation. He said that the government is doing everything it can to prevent further radiation leaks.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
live stream from japan with english translation
the [nuclear plant] situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage
God Bless them all.
informative articles, explains the “worst case” in case the reactor core containment is breached
informative articles, especially the second one, explains the “worst case” in case the reactor core containment is breached
That statement was composed by Japan's only "Living National Treasure" in the art of understatement.
ap on yahoo
Japan: New radiation leaks harmful to health
SOMA, Japan Radiation is spewing from damaged reactors at a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe. The prime minister has warned residents to stay inside or risk getting radiation sickness.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Tuesday that a fourth reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex was on fire and that more radiation was released
He said everyone within 20km Should EVACUATE...
Cnbc world saying it’s the fire at 4 causing the problems. Unclear if spent rods are burning in reactor or hard storage either way they’re saying that’s causing the worst of the radiation problems. No source given.
Plastic sheeting and duct tape time....
Fox, MSNBC, CNN and CNBC all in reruns now. Grrrr...
Markets are not reacting well.
Looks like the plant has gone full Wormwood now.
Yup I’m watching it right now
Thanks. Will paste Sheltering in Place info from exSoldier’s thread from a while back, tho’ it speaks of a nuke attack, the actual info would apply now. Link at end.
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Sheltering in Place, how to handle radiation exposure.
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... your real problem is the radioactive dust that the blast threw into the air. ... eventually expose 200,000 people to lethal doses of radiation if they stay exposed and unprotected in the fallout path for 24 hours. Sitting downwind in gridlock, with your vehicles windshield shattered, goes a long way toward giving you a lethal dose. All sorts of simple alternatives moving away from downwind, seeking proper shelter, even taking a shower go a long way toward saving you.
Fallout is simply radioactive dust, launched miles into the air in a mushroom cloud and then carried on the wind. Much of it is alpha particles, whose radiation cannot penetrate bare skin, or beta particles, which cannot penetrate layers of clothing. Both are most dangerous if inhaled or if they settle on food that is eaten unwashed. More deadly are the gamma rays, whose radiation can go through walls. But even gammas cannot hurt you from cloud height. The danger starts when the dust settles to earth.
The ideal is to avoid the fallout in the first place. In apocalyptic gridlock, you cannot drive very far. But you may not have to. Normal winds blow the cloud into a long but narrow plume, just a few miles across. In typical Washington-area weather, Virginia, Montgomery County in Maryland, and most of the District itself are not in the fallout path at all. People in the path could conceivably walk out of the fallout zone in the 10 or 15 minutes before the dust begins to fall if they know which way to go.
But, of course, you cannot count on perfectly typical weather. The wind might shift; the breeze you feel at ground level may be blowing crosswise to the radioactive clouds five miles up; a still day might cause the fallout to seep outward slowly in all directions; sudden rain or snow could wash the dust out of the sky, heavily dousing everything beneath the storm but sparing areas farther out.
If you do not want to trust in weather and traffic, the alternative is what the experts call sheltering in place. You want to be in a building, as solid as possible to block the gamma rays, as airtight as possible to keep out radioactive dust. You need to turn off air conditioning, close vents, seal the seams around windows and doorways. If you wondered what former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge was talking about, this is what you need the duct tape for. Abandon rooms with windows broken by the blast.
The dust that does not seep into the building will settle outside, on the roof and on the ground, emitting gamma rays. A car with an intact windshield stops 30 to 50 percent of the radiation probably not enough, however, to save someone whos inside the car and stuck in traffic a few miles downwind of ground zero. A wood-frame house, similarly, stops just 30 to 60 percent of gamma rays. A windowless basement stops 90 percent. The middle floors of a concrete apartment building, safely away from both roof and ground, stop 99 percent or more. But there is no 100 percent protection.
For those whom evacuation and shelter fail or for those, like the thousands fleeing in blind panic, who never try either there is still decontamination. A lethal dose of radiation takes time to build. The sooner the radioactive dust is off the skin, the better. And it is not that hard to remove. Radiation contamination is easier than chemical, said Col. David Jarrett, a medical doctor and the director of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda. Simply removing the clothes and washing takes off up to 90 percent.
Every major Washington-area hospital has some decontamination facilities, but 10,000 radiation patients in one day would swamp them. So mass decontamination falls to fire departments, with their mobile pumps and generators; their protective gear; their hazardous-materials experience; and, because both Maryland and Virginia have nuclear power reactors, their years of radiation training. Area firefighters can quickly set up special decontamination tents, and they have plans to take over buildings that have lots of showers so high school gyms, for example, are a good place to head for. In the chaos of those first hours, said Michael Cline, state coordinator at the Virginia Department of Emergency Management, the real key is to make sure people go to those facilities. It will take every firefighter available to man the decontamination sites, and every cop to control the crowds pouring in panic out of the city.
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They evacuated everyone within 20 km a day or two ago, I thought.
Nikkei futures down 16%. All hell is breaking loose.
Most futures are now well off their lows.
I’m actually kind of surprised how well the market has held up. We are just reaching the lows from the Egypt crisis at the end of January. We hit the recent highs 3 weeks after that.
We could fall quite a bit farther before breaking the integrity of the uptrend from the ‘09 bottom.
Relocate the entire population of Japan to America. With their work ethic and discipline and intelligence they can and will revitalize our deteriorating culture and political process. They will be a force to reckon with as they assimilate and counter entrenched liberalism. I have a feeling they will know instinctively how to handle Mexico and the threat it presents to the U.S. as well as the threat from Islamic extremism. This could be a blessing in disguise for America, or, to put it another way, the Lord sometimes works in strange ways.
They did. It’s 30km now.
I agree — but I also would expect that many of them would rather stay in their homeland and stick it out, to the death if need be. They are likely that fiercely proud.
But I’d welcome them here. I’d welcome a family into my home if need be. I wish I could do something more to help then send off some donation or watch them starve.
Switch them out with all the illegals.
20km-30km are "evacuation in place" - stay inside, close windows, don't run your a/c and heater, don't bring laundry inside, wash clothes you were wearing out.
No they are still having issues with Reactor 4 at plant two according to a recent IAEA press release. I as well thought everything was under control there?
“Japanese authorities yesterday reported to the IAEA at 21:05 CET that the reactors Units 1, 2 and 3 of the Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant are in cold shutdown status. This means that the pressure of the water coolant is at around atmospheric level and the temperature is below 100 degrees Celsius. Under these conditions, the reactors are considered to be safely under control.
Japanese authorities have also informed the IAEA that teams of experts from Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the plant´s operator, are working to restore cooling in the reactor Unit 4 and bring it to cold shutdown.”
And before you flame me, I can't help wonder what the remaining WWII vets think about our Navy “Helping”
And/or how many Americans know what political party the President was in when we dropped those bombs...
BTW - I'm glad he did and we should be proud.
God bless you!
Kyodo: 18 km no-fly zone over strickened nuclear site.
CNBC: Tokyo NOT considering telling people to stay indoors after trace amounts of radiation detected there.
They’ll recover from the nuclear portion of the disaster just fine. Hiroshima and Nagasaki individually were far worse than the worst-case scenario for that N-plant. It’s the shattered infrastructure, over 10,000 dead, and the possibility of another big earthquake during the recovery itself that is a far greater threat.
If this had happened in 2020 instead of 2011 they would’ve had the much safer planned reactors 7 & 8 on-line and the 30-40 year-old reactors 1-4 would’ve been already defueled and getting dismantled.
Honestly, what the remaining WWII vets think isn’t relevant to the current political interests of the United States. Not that I expect the current president to act in those interests, but the United States, today, has tremendous areas of overlapping security interests and concerns with the japanese. You have to be blind not to be able to read a map and see where the major security threats to both of us in asia are coming from.
Yes, a democrat dropped the bomb. Not sure what political affiliation has to do with anything so far in the past. Democrats of the 40’s were more conservative than todays republican party. Comparing obama and truman is a laughable exercise, but the joke is on us!
Yes, bombing japan saved countless lives of US soldiers in the bloodbath that home island invasion would have been, and probably saved more japanese lives to boot, though that wasn’t the motivation for it. Only people ignorant of the actual history or unable to get around their nuclear or anti-american neuroses would argue against the use of the bombs. There do appear to be quite a few such people, though. I cannot see how not using the bomb would have benefited either the US or Japan (post-defeat) in any sense whatsoever, and I have wondered about what additional territory Stalin would have been able to annex/acquire/liberate in such a scenario.
As far as radiation, yes, hydrogen bombs caused radiation but it was VERY short-lived, from what I have read. If you were nearby, you died of it, but it was at vastly lower levels pretty quickly. The cities were rebuilt pretty much where they were before as far as I can tell (I have driven close to but not through nagasaki), which says a lot.
From the second article: Sounds pretty benign...
“But we examined worse accidents or
terrorist events that destroy redundant plant
systems inside or outside containment,
rupturing containment penetrations,
producing ground-level, unfiltered releases.
Even in this extreme situation, the
radioactivity remains largely bound in the
Condensing water and the physicalchemical
properties of fuel retains most
radioactivity in water and structures (as at
Three Mile Island). Condensing water limits
releases, which are not in readily dispersible
forms, nor do they remain in respirable
forms. This minimizes inhalation hazards.
Spent fuel pool radioactivity has lost the
short-lived and most volatile products and
has insufficient energy to disperse in
hazardous forms. Even hypothesized
zirconium fires would only burn cladding
and structures, external to the fuel, adding
little to the radioactivity release.
In the worst case scenario, near-plant
contamination would warrant evacuation,
but not urgently; there would be time for
evacuation without significant public
health risk. Radioactivity dispersed widely
has lower concentrations, in low-hazard
Better read again.
The two bombs dropped on Japan at the end of WWII were fission (uranium), not fusion (hydrogen), and they were NOT clean bombs. We hadn't developed that technology yet.
Breaking : Radiation levels rise in Russian city of Vladivostok, 500 miles northwest of Japanese nuclear plant, but stay within normal
Another long term benefit of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that for the entire period of the Cold War, Russia believed that mutually assured destruction was not a path to follow. I suspect that if those bombs had not been dropped, Russian reluctance to trigger a nuclear exchange would have been much less. I fear that the world and it’s young leaders are forgetting this. India/Pakistan for example.
This is a local (national) disaster physically- potentially a steaming dead zone the Japanese will have to manage for long term, affecting millions of people in Japan and possibly some neighboring countries in the prevailing wind pattern
but a global disaster economically if the entire Japanese economy goes off the grid
One bright thought maybe this will kick-start the world (the euro libs, Russians and maybe even the Chinese who benignly work round “sanctions” ) into acting with determination to make sure ideological primitives like Iran and North Korea are stripped of the ability to have nuclear facilities
Imagine North Korea or Iran trying to manage such an “incident”
Source = http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031507-e.html
Yes, that is the Daini plant number 2 all the trouble is at plant I.
But while u brought it Reactor 4 at Daini is still not totally okay....in fact there remains a near local evacuation I believe.
Japan tells 140 thousand people to seal themselves up in their homes. A no-fly zone is in force around the plants. Plant workers are ordered to leave. Come on, people. NOTHING IS WRONG and everything is UNDER CONTROL. sarc/
I stand corrected. That said, the residual radiation apparently didn’t stick around too long at all based on the numbers I found.
Your reasoning is sound.
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