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Question for the day.
15 March 2011 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 03/15/2011 7:29:33 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

What does anyone/everyone think was the genesis of the "Decline" of the Republic in the Americas known as the "United States"?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: history; question
I'll go first. I think that when at the Constitutional Convention Alexander Hamilton was allowed to affix his signature to the document without having the required quorum of 2 from the state the possible concept of a "Living Constitution" was born and the document was compromised in it's infancy. Alex was nothing but bad news for our country.
1 posted on 03/15/2011 7:29:36 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

I’d say it was when the Bill of Rights was included as mere amendments instead of immutable laws.


2 posted on 03/15/2011 7:32:17 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I blame it on Elvis.


3 posted on 03/15/2011 7:34:03 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: US Navy Vet

FDR


4 posted on 03/15/2011 7:34:28 AM PDT by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: US Navy Vet

Godlessness.


5 posted on 03/15/2011 7:34:58 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: US Navy Vet

The Civil War permanently inverted the relationship between the central government and the states.... and from then on, people considered that to be the normal way of things.


6 posted on 03/15/2011 7:35:16 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Losing the Vietnam war and letting the Commies control our schools. If we would have won the War, then the commies at the time would have been fully discredited, but they weren’t and were allowed to infiltrate our institutions, the Education establishment being the most crucial!


7 posted on 03/15/2011 7:36:53 AM PDT by gr8eman (People who have no souls never "Soul Search"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
I believe the U.S. peaked in the 1950's and went downhill after that.

8 posted on 03/15/2011 7:37:02 AM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t think it’s in decline. It’s just natural progression. Nothing stays the same forever.


9 posted on 03/15/2011 7:37:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Illinois Butcher™ destroyed the republic.

10 posted on 03/15/2011 7:38:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Woman’s Sufferage.


11 posted on 03/15/2011 7:39:17 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: US Navy Vet

Any document, any constitution, any form of government can ultimately be corrupted by it’s citizens.

I blame the 1960s. The parents of those kids indulged them, allowed them to become me first. Allowed them to trample the flag and ignore any sort of patriotism. Allowed a whole generation of American youth to openly embrace communism. This generation of American youth was taught it was ok to break the rules and do your own thing.

As those malformed young adults aged, they got their hands on the levers of power. How can you possibly expect such a useless bunch to actually respect what came before them, or revere the constitution?

The social unrest of the 1960s and the aftermath got us to this point.


12 posted on 03/15/2011 7:41:05 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“Godlessness.”

Yes, egghead atheists which naturally evolved into Communism.
The Western world had success because of Judeo-Christian values. You take that away and the society will always crumble into thuggery.


13 posted on 03/15/2011 7:41:54 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m actually pretty optimistic. Obama has done more for the conservative cause than anyone since Reagen. People are starting to see the mess that has been created with our politically correct, free spending society and there seems to be a return to more conservative days.

Unfortunately, I think that it may be too little, too late.


14 posted on 03/15/2011 7:41:54 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: US Navy Vet

Ok, I’ll bite.

One of my favorite quotes of T. Austin-Sparks is: “Origin determines destiny.”

Perhaps the seeds of our nation’s fall are in its foundation: “the pursuit of happiness.”

Many of our earliest colonists came here because of their pursuit of God.

The pursuit of happiness is empty and vain at best, as happiness is not a goal, but a result. When it is a goal that is pursued, it always results in the opposite: misery.

Happiness is the result of a man or woman being at peace with God, himself, and others, and having a sense of self-worth from being a productive giver in this life.

Something to ponder.


15 posted on 03/15/2011 7:44:11 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: US Navy Vet

Scumbag Dhims more than anything else.


16 posted on 03/15/2011 7:44:54 AM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: US Navy Vet

When the communists began to infiltrate our government.

They figured out how to subvert and weaken from within. Contributing factors:

Woodrow Wilson and his ivy league, elitist world view
The creation of the federal reserve
The 17th amendment
Control of the media
Judicial activism i.e, ban on school prayer, abortion
The birth control pill (we then got the sexual revolution and subsequently, AIDS, herpes, gonorrhea, genital warts, et al)
Destruction of the family structure through divorce, welfare, homosexuality, etc.
Weakening of the education system through teachers’ unions, the Dept of Education, affirmative action, etc

...to name a few


17 posted on 03/15/2011 7:46:15 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: US Navy Vet

Socialism


18 posted on 03/15/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by Mustard Plaster
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To: US Navy Vet
When Ranch Style Beans went from 'Husband Pleasin' ...

To 'Appetite Pleasin'


19 posted on 03/15/2011 7:51:09 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: US Navy Vet

slavery


20 posted on 03/15/2011 7:51:49 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: US Navy Vet

Woodrow Wilson tested the water, but it was FDR’s new deal and Social Security that really did US in.


21 posted on 03/15/2011 7:55:23 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Mustard Plaster

I agree. When it peaked in the colleges and PC became the norm, soon spreading via the teacher’s unions to our entire public school system. Now people like van jones (ohbama’s recent green czar, oh puke) hold seminars to teach kids how to fight back against the police and gay groups teach children how to ‘fist’ with full approval of the sick teacher’s unions.


22 posted on 03/15/2011 7:55:57 AM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Whaaat? He was the greatest of our founders.


23 posted on 03/15/2011 8:05:52 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: US Navy Vet
We went broke maintaining a welfare/warfare state.

The American taxpayer was saddled with the socialist programs of the 1930s, combined with the burden of policing up the planet after WWII during the Cold War.

24 posted on 03/15/2011 8:08:06 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: gr8eman

The commies controlled our schools way before that. I agree with the pister who said fdr.


25 posted on 03/15/2011 8:08:06 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I agree that that was a mistake.


26 posted on 03/15/2011 8:09:46 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: US Navy Vet

Banning the 5 gallon flush toilet.


27 posted on 03/15/2011 8:17:22 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: US Navy Vet

There’s this dog at the dog park I’ve come to find out is not named Bird (figured it was some breed used for bird hunting). I’m told the dog is named Burr, because he shot Hamilton. That makes a lot more sense.


28 posted on 03/15/2011 8:19:10 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: US Navy Vet

Removal of God from the school systems.


29 posted on 03/15/2011 8:19:21 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: paul51

Slavery was at the top of my list as well.


30 posted on 03/15/2011 8:19:44 AM PDT by Captain PJ
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

“The Civil War permanently inverted the relationship between the central government and the states.”

Bingo.


31 posted on 03/15/2011 8:24:24 AM PDT by mad puppy (Obama Care is a 'Giffen Good'.)
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To: US Navy Vet

1. Surrender of Lee at Appomatox.

2. New Deal.

3. Great Society.


32 posted on 03/15/2011 8:32:09 AM PDT by golux
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To: US Navy Vet

Pride. . . And MTV


33 posted on 03/15/2011 8:33:21 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Sorry for typos: typed with IPhone)
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To: US Navy Vet

Marbury v Madison case - the court arrogated to itself the power to decide political questions under the guise of law.

While the decision may have been necessary, it has become the only branch of government that can through out the acts of the other two branches of government.

This concept can and has been abused, and while the Court could be the last bastion of freedom, it may also now be used to destroy that freedom.

Otherwise, I believe the real turning point came when the banking system was created, since money rules all, and in the nation, only a few unregulated individuals rule the money. Don’t know when that was, but suspect in early part of the 20th century, possibly prior to WWI.

The civil war determined that states are not autonomous except in unimportant things, and that the Feds will find a way to force compliance on a nationwide basis. This was also a turning point.


34 posted on 03/15/2011 8:43:28 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: US Navy Vet

the election of Woodrow Wilson, the passage of the 16th Amendment, and the dawn of the Progressive Era


35 posted on 03/15/2011 8:59:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Theodore Roosevelt(WHAT a FIRST CLASS A$$H*LE!) started the “Progressive Era”.


36 posted on 03/15/2011 9:02:59 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet
The reason for, and subsequent put down of, The Whiskey Rebellion.
37 posted on 03/15/2011 9:23:10 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sixteenth Amendment.

It allowed government to become a cancer feeding on the productivity of the people and turned us all into livestock on a tax farm.


38 posted on 03/15/2011 9:30:40 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974
39 posted on 03/15/2011 9:34:14 AM PDT by papasmurf (War is hell, but not the worst hell. Having a PRES__ENT comes close!)
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What is the “Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974” please explain?


40 posted on 03/15/2011 9:39:34 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Someone already said it, and better than I would have because they listed precedents that led to it, but ‘The Great Society’. Its effects didn’t begin a general nationwide downward trend until the time of the Nixon administration which eventually resulted in his loss of office, despite Nixon’s best efforts.

The peak of American civilization was at the time of the Apollo program, as I see it. It’s not going to be easy but we can be great again. We might have to first think about who ‘we’ are though.


41 posted on 03/15/2011 9:40:35 AM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: US Navy Vet

Lack of will, resolve, and spine. Period.


42 posted on 03/15/2011 10:14:42 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TSgt

So true however we now call them congressmen and senators.


43 posted on 03/15/2011 10:33:23 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m certainly not the historian that you are but I think the collusion that was needed to start the United Nations was a big stepping stone. The Communists realized their mistakes from the League of Nations, corrected that and haven’t slowed down since.


44 posted on 03/15/2011 10:50:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Question for the day.

Easy.
The American adult generations between 1960 and 1980.

45 posted on 03/15/2011 1:11:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: arderkrag
I’d say it was when the Bill of Rights was included as mere amendments instead of immutable laws.

Ah... but they weren't.
Those rights were NOT granted by the Constitution or any government.

They were simply added in writing to explicitly remind the megalomaniacly bent.

That is has failed its purpose is a failure of language and will.

46 posted on 03/15/2011 1:16:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: US Navy Vet

Same as all great civilizations.

We got fat and happy.


47 posted on 03/15/2011 1:34:12 PM PDT by 11Bush
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