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Posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by SE Mom
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More US Relief Crews Exposed to Radiation in Japan
Navy sending some ships to other side of Japan as more relief crews exposed to radiation
A category 5 hurricane is heading towards the NW USA coastline..pushing a huge storm surge..Just before it crossed the coast, there is a 8.9 earthquake just offshore..so we have the storm surge ATOP the tsunami...heck..the water could reach Spokane...
TEPCOs shady history
In 2002, Tokyo Electric Co. admitted to falsifying its records of nuclear inspections and hiding the facts for more than a decade. Ironically, the information came from a whistleblower at GE, which helped build the plants and has contracted with TEPCO on operational matters for decades.
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Thanks - I’m so glad we have everything in one place, breaking news was getting lost.
Simon Winchester, author of “Krakatoa: The Day the World Exploded”
Good point. Some of those rubble piles are ten feet thick, and go on for miles. No way are they going to be able to get to all of the corpses before they begin rotting.
How on earth are they going to deal with that? Chemical disinfectant sprayed over the rubble piles? Burning?
Tokyo supermarkets stripped bare as hoarding breaks out across region
Tokyo supermarkets stripped bare as hoarding breaks out across region
Supermarkets in the Tokyo region have been stripped bare of food and other daily necessities in the wake of the March 11 Great East Japan Earthquake, producing shortages across the national capital region.
Hoarding was apparently sparked by the quake and tsunami damage done to factories, as well as difficulty in obtaining raw materials caused by chaos in the distribution network, and the prioritization of the devastated northeast in the provision of basic supplies.
Let’s not forget DDT.
The Japanese cultural norms of passivity and blind acceptance of statements made by those in authority is in the process of severe rupture, no pun intended. When people are pushed to the brink, they demand straight talk and stop believing the empty statements of leaders. The Japanese government has badly handled the nuclear incident and each new development increases the sense of panic. Look for Japanese immigration to the US and other western countries to increase exponentially in the coming months as people look for safe haven.
Here's one that's even scarier.... the Mayan apocalypse of 2012 occurs, and the only thing standing between humanity and extinction are the acting skills of John Cusak.
We all know where the debris went from the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake.
I just read that of the 230,000 killed in the Indonesian tsunami, that only 184,000 bodies were found.
Truly frightening...and impossible.
In my 40+ years of life, a Pacific cyclone has NEVER hit the Washington coast. Granted, we’ve seen some powerful storms, some of them from out at sea, but never a cyclone.
Status of quake-stricken reactors at Fukushima nuclear power plants
TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo News
The following is the known status as of Tuesday evening of each of the six reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and the four reactors at the Fukushima No. 2 plant, both in Fukushima Prefecture, crippled by Friday’s magnitude 9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami.
Fukushima No. 1
— Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, hydrogen explosion, seawater pumped in.
— Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, seawater pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, damage to containment system, potential meltdown feared.
— Reactor No. 3 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater pumped in, hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby.
— Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire caused possibly by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, pool water level feared receding.
— Reactor No. 5 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising at spent fuel pool.
— Reactor No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising at spent fuel pool.
Fukushima No. 2
— Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, then cold shutdown.
— Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, then cold shutdown.
— Reactor No. 3 - Cold shutdown.
— Reactor No. 4 - Cooling failure, then cold shutdown.
S. Korean crews joining the rescue operation
When you finish Krakatoa, check out A Crack in the Edge of the World: America and the Great California Earthquake of 1906
Toshiba sends engineers to Fukushima nuclear power plant
TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo
Toshiba Corp. said Tuesday it has sent engineers to the damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant at the request of the government and Tokyo Electric Power Co., aiming to address the problems at the quake-hit facility amid growing fears of radioactive contamination.
The company said dozens of its engineers are set to instruct workers at the plant operated by TEPCO about the usage of pumps to inject water into the plant’s reactors, adding the firm has already sent motors to activate the pumps at the facility.
Toshiba, which supplied much of the equipment for the Fukushima No. 1 power plant’s reactors such as the No. 3 reactor, will consider sending more engineers if necessary, it added.
While Toshiba has around 350 engineers who support electric power companies, two-thirds of them are currently dealing with accidents at the Fukushima nuclear power plant at Toshiba’s headquarters or at the actual site.
On Sunday, Prime Minister Naoto Kan instructed Toshiba President Norio Sasaki to do all he can to contain the problems at the plant.
Hitachi Ltd., which was in charge of constructing the No. 4 reactor at the No. 1 plant, has also sent more than 10 engineers to the central office of TEPCO to respond to technical questions.
Had a crazy thought yesterday... evacuated the entire island. Doesn’t sound as crazy today.
My thoughts exactly.
They may be hitting the wall now, however, because of another national trait, which is extreme reluctance to pass bad news up the line.
Managers may not be getting the information necessary to handle the situation.
From Reuters Live Blog:
The U.N. nuclear watchdog chief said there might be limited core damage at the No. 2 unit of the Fukushima power plant.
Yukiya Amano, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told a news conference that there was a “possibility of core damage” at unit 2. “The damage is estimated to be less than 5 pct.”
5%?? Is that the amount of the core they believe may have melted?
Looking at all of the video over the last few days has caused me to imagine how they'll go about disposing of all the wreckage. I see big holes in the ground, and even whole valleys being filled in with debris, and salted with lime.
Comes a point where you have to protect the living, and do what must be done.
We will surely see a similar thing happen in this disaster. With that much carnage and destruction, it's a certainty that many bodies will never be found.
ping to #45
Waters in the easter Pacific do not get warm enough to support tropical cyclones.
I'm not sure they're exactly the same thing Bunny. In 2004 the earthquake happened far out at sea, indonesia? Then the tsunami hit.
Here the earthquake hit, brought down the buildings on a lot of people that can't be gotten to now, then the wave hit.
Just saying that there might be a lot of bodies under all that rubble that won't be found for weeks or months yet.
* Living near a nuclear power station = less than 0.01 mSv/year
* Chest x-ray = 0.04 mSv
* Cosmic radiation (from sky) at sea level = 0.24 mSv/year
* Terrestrial radiation (from ground) = 0.28 mSv/year
* Mammogram = 0.30 mSv
* Natural radiation in the human body = 0.40 mSv/year
* Brain CT scan = 0.85 mSv
* Typical individual’s natural background radiation: 2 mSv/year; 1.5 mSv/year for Australians, 3 mSv/year for Americans
* Radon in the average US home = 2 mSv/year
* Chest CT scan = 618 mSv
* Average American’s total radiation exposure: 6.2 mSv/year
* New York-Tokyo flights for airline crew: 9mSv/year 
* Smoking 1.5 packs/day = 13 mSv/year
* Gastrointestinal series X-ray investigation = 14 mSv
* Current average limit for nuclear workers: 20 mSv/year
* Background radiation in parts of Iran, India and Europe: 50 mSv/year
* Lowest clearly carcinogenic level: 100 mSv/year
* Criterion for relocation after Chernobyl disaster: 350 mSv/lifetime
Effects to humans of acute radiation (within one day):
* 00.25 Sv: None
* 0.251 Sv: Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.
* 13 Sv: Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.
* 36 Sv: Severe nausea, loss of appetite; hemorrhaging, infection, diarrhea, skin peels, sterility; death if untreated.
* 610 Sv: Above symptoms plus central nervous system impairment; death expected.
* Above 10 Sv: Incapacitation and death.
Temperatures appeared to be rising in the spent fuel pools at two other reactors at the plant, No. 5 and No. 6, said Yukio Edano, the chief cabinet secretary.
It's very sad, but crews working these areas are probably going to have to do what they can to bury or cremate the bodies that turn up, right where they find them.
The infrastructure to handle this just doesn't exist.
And not just people. How many dogs, cats, fish washed in, cows and chickens are laying around as well?
Japan’s earthquake happened at sea and was shallow. But Japan was far more prepared and the buildings were more stable.
The scenario in quake/tsunamis is that the quake breaks up or destablizes the building. But the tsunami does the major damage by denuding the landscape.
I see them as very similar but the point being that there will probably be about the same percentage of missing persons in the end. But, there are definately a lot of deceased in all the debris.
That is the best summary of the situation I’ve seen. Repeating the link here: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/15/fukushima-15-march-summary/
Japanese rescue workers run out of body bags
14.03.2011 | Source: Pravda.Ru
A tide of bodies has washed up along Japan's coastline, crematoriums are overwhelmed and rescue workers have run out of body bags as the nation faces the grim reality of a mounting humanitarian, economic and nuclear crisis after its tsunami and earthquake. Millions of people were facing a fourth night without water, food or heating in near-freezing temperatures in the north-east devastated by an earthquake and the tsunami wave it spawned.
Meanwhile, a third reactor at a nuclear power plant lost its cooling capacity and the fuel rods at another were at least briefly fully exposed, raising fears of a meltdown. The stock market plunged over the likelihood of huge losses by Japanese industries including big names such as Toyota and Honda, The Press Association says.
In Japan most people opt to cremate their dead, a process that, like burial, requires permission first from local authorities. But the government took the rare step today of waiving the paperwork to speed up funerals.
A Health Ministry spokesman said: “The current situation is so extraordinary, and it is very likely that crematoriums are running beyond capacity.
This is an emergency measure. We want to help quake-hit people as much as we can.”, Independent reports.
Good point. Many of the areas that were decimated are farming communities. There's a chance that the animal population outnumbered the humans in those areas.
The Japanese authorities going to have to make some hard choices about this issue very soon.
If Yellowstone blows you probably won't even have time to bend over and kiss your a$$ goodbye! ;^)
Note that the spent fuel pool seems to be the most significant problem.
I also note that American nuclear plant have to keep their spent fuel in spent fuel pools because the Obama administration stopped all work on an underground storage facility at Yucca mountain
News media - see, I can play the game of opportunism too.
There is one thing nobody has talked about, I know for a fact that Japan has created tsunami berms, gates and flood channels as it was on several documentaries, but was there any of this type of infrastructure built along the bays in this area?
The images I saw were of massive tall flood gates at least 30 feet tall, these I don’t know where were built, my guess is they were further south.
Thanks- I’m all for learning all sides of this story- I’m just furious at the Henny Penny Gang and the It’s Nothing Gang because their agendas block the truth and it’s immoral to provide the public (uneducated about nuclear energy as many of us are) with distorted information.
I made that connection over the weekend.....scary if the tread does continue....sooner or later the Cascadia fault system will let loose, how bad? Only God knows....
I blame some of the possible panic out there n Matt Drudge, who linked to Alex Jones’ fear-mongering.
That 360 Cooper guy on CNN was IN JAPAN acting all Whorealdo Rivera like. It is like they are thrilled and filming a movie. MSNBC only breaks in from Japan news to report the evil republicans in WI holding “OBAMA ROCKS” signs.
Meanwhile Obama bets on the BB game and golfs and vacations with his family to S America. He will now call it business.
I don’t know but I have a feeling they may just bulldoze it out to sea and try to create an artificial breakwater in the hopes of shielding the area in the future.
Of course you really cannot build on it, you could burn it. But then again they may just start a massive salvage operation and sort it all out, make up some massive temporary tent cities and then put the people to work cleaning it up.
If that happens it would be interesting the take on what America thinks.
It is hard to tell when to panic about anything because of our propagandist media. And the ones folks lik (ed) to call kooky,WND, Jones all warned of globalization and the new world currency before it was news. Bees Y2K and such were media produced crap.
Currently RED headline on Drudge
I just listend to Megyn Kelly interview an American who lives in Japan but took his family to Singapore out of concern. He was saying that when Japanese government officials and/or TEPCO employees go on camera to give updates that they sometimes have tears in their eyes and will hardly look at the camera. It’s understandably scaring the Japanese people.
P.S. I’d trust infowars,WND, Sam Hill’s, blog before I would CNN and the MSM playing all Whorealdo Rivera dramatic-like.
Thanks for the Summary Site.
For those who are interested, here is what they report so far :
The lesson so far: Japan suffered an earthquake and tsunami of unprecedented proportion that has caused unbelievable damage to every part of their infrastructure, and death of very large numbers of people. The media have chosen to report the damage to a nuclear plant which was, and still is, unlikely to harm anyone. We wont know for sure, of course, until the last measure to assure cooling is put in place, but thats the likely outcome. Youd never know it from the parade of interested anti-nuclear activists identified as nuclear experts on TV.
From the early morning Saturday nuclear activists were on TV labelling this the third worst nuclear accident ever. This was no accident, this was damage caused by truly one of the worst of earthquakes and tsunamis ever. (The reported sweeping away of four entire trains, including a bullet train which apparently disappeared without a trace, was not labelled the third worst train accident ever.) An example of the reporting: A fellow from one of the universities, and I didnt note which one, obviously an engineer and a knowlegable one, was asked a question and began to explain quite sensibly what was likely. He was cut off after about a minute, maybe less, and an anti-nuke, very glib, and very poorly informed, was brought on. With ponderous solemnity, he then made one outrageous and incorrect statement after another. He was so good at it they held him over for another segment
The second lesson is to the engineers: We all know that the water reactor has one principal characteristic when it shuts down that has to be looked after. It must have water to flow around the fuel rods and be able to inject it into the reactor if some is lost by a sticking relief valve or from any other cause for this, it must have backup power to power the pumps and injection systems.
The designers apparently could not imagine a tsunami of these proportions and the backup power remember, the plants themselves produce power, power is brought in by multiple outside power lines, there are banks of diesels to produce backup power, and finally, banks of batteries to back that up, all were disabled. Theres still a lot the operators can do, did and are doing. But reactors were damaged and may not have needed to be even by this unthinkable earthquake if they had designed the backup power systems to be impregnable, not an impossible thing for an engineer to do. So we have damage that probably could have been avoided, and reporting of almost stunning inaccuracy and ignorance.Still, the odds are that no one will be hurt from radioactivity a few workers from falling or in the hydrogen explosions, but tiny on the scale of the damage and killing around it.
It seems pathetic that Russia should be the only reported adult in this theyre quoted as saying Of course our nuclear program is not going to be affected by an earthquake in Japan. Japan has earthquakes. But perhaps it will be, if the noise is loud enough.
LOL! So funny, thanks for the laugh.
I love apocalyptic thriller type movies, no matter how bad or campy or even leftist (I even liked The Day After Tomorrow, despite the eye-rolling premise), but I couldn’t finish watching 2012. It was actually boring.
Did anyone tell bonehead Obama that Japan desperately pleaded for a nuke scientist or two and general help? He is packing for vacation in between betting on BBall and golf.