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Calif. seeks right to sue over greenhouse gases
SFGate.com ^ | 3/15/11 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

California and five other states are urging the U.S. Supreme Court to let them sue power companies whose plants emit greenhouse gases, saying legal action is needed as a backup for the Obama administration's embattled efforts to curb pollution that contributes to global warming.

The case, to be argued April 19, pits the states and environmental organizations against an unusual alliance: the energy industry, which opposes the emissions limits, and the Obama administration, which says such restrictions should be imposed by Congress and federal agencies, not the courts.

The Environmental Protection Agency plans to issue regulations in May 2012 that would limit emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from the coal-burning plants that are the targets of the states' lawsuit.

But House Republicans are backing legislation, due for a committee vote today, that would eliminate EPA authority over greenhouse gases and repeal California's controls on carbon emissions from cars and trucks. The bill would allow the federal government to restrict tailpipe emissions but would leave greenhouse gases from power plants unregulated.

The six states - California, New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Rhode Island and Vermont, along with New York City - want the Supreme Court to uphold their right to sue five major power companies and then return the case to a federal judge in New York.

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California and the other states are seeking court orders requiring the power companies to reduce carbon emissions by 3 percent a year for 10 years.

The companies operate 174 plants in 20 states. None is in California, but the suit says they produce 2.5 percent of the world's emissions, thereby warming the planet and melting the Sierra snowpack earlier. That affects the state's drinking water supply, the suit says.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab32; california; democrats; economy; energy; envirofascism; envirowackos; epa; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greengovernor; greenhousegases; liberalfascism; liberals; obama; progressives

1 posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

California already imports more electricity from other states than any other state and they want to sue their own power companies?

The problem with dumb is that telling them they are dumb does no good because they are too dumb to understand that they are dumb.


2 posted on 03/15/2011 8:17:14 AM PDT by avacado
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To: NormsRevenge
the suit says they produce 2.5 percent of the world's emissions, thereby warming the planet and melting the Sierra snowpack earlier. That affects the state's drinking water supply, the suit says.

In a rational United States this would be laughed out of court, however..

3 posted on 03/15/2011 8:17:14 AM PDT by AU72
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To: NormsRevenge

Would the last business in California please turn the lights off when you leave? Thanks.


4 posted on 03/15/2011 8:17:22 AM PDT by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (If Mohammed were alive today, he wouldn’t be allowed to live within 1000 yards of a school.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can we file against them for all the job losses they`ll cause?


5 posted on 03/15/2011 8:18:15 AM PDT by nomad
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To: NormsRevenge

The power companies need to shut down and walk away from these idiots. Then the state can explain to the residents why there is no electricity and they now have to light their own farts for heat and light.


6 posted on 03/15/2011 8:18:17 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (The most dangerous place on the face of the earth is between a liberal and their money.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s good that I don’t wish to have my account suspended or my comments deleted, because I’m afraid that the first comment that comes to mind includes a profanity in regard to liberal Californians. As it is, they are reaping what they’ve sewn. [Unfortunately, a lot who are not liberal are reaping it as well.]


7 posted on 03/15/2011 8:18:53 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder if the liberals find themselves in a moral dilemma over this. On one hand they are convinced that carbon footprint and greenhouse gasses are critical to the survival of the planet. On the other hand, you need a lot of power and a big carbon footprint for that huge indoor marijuana grow in your basement.


8 posted on 03/15/2011 8:20:43 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: headstamp 2
They know that power companies won't be paying the bill. If CA would just
outlaw power completely there would be less pollution, they should set an example.
9 posted on 03/15/2011 8:22:47 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: NormsRevenge
Calif. seeks right to sue over greenhouse gases

Will that include the #1 greenhouse gas......water vapor?

10 posted on 03/15/2011 8:23:59 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: avacado

They want to be allowed to sue over this non-scientifically-proven issue, but heaven forbid anyone should be allowed to sue to prevent illegal immigration. Doesn’t this sort of selective enforcement of legalities violate some kind of equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution?


11 posted on 03/15/2011 8:24:29 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Jeez Louise!.....How about creating more jobs instead of suing businesses?......Bunch of F’ing a-holes!


12 posted on 03/15/2011 8:25:51 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NormsRevenge
I have a question for the ecoterrorists, how much is enough?
What is the magic number for greenhouse gasses?
Where are your magic goal posts set?

I doubt one greenhead could answer those questions.

13 posted on 03/15/2011 8:27:34 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: avacado

They want to be backwards? Give them Sharia. Their next step would be to sue their provider.... idiots.
Oh... lets get all the cars off the road and let then replace them with eco friendly camels... hwat a bunch of crap.


14 posted on 03/15/2011 8:29:43 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: avacado

California needs to shut up or build their own power plants and quit complaining.

How did Californication become so awfully whiny and nuts?

Seems to me - if California were to sue a power company for “greenhouse gasses” being emitted” - then that power company would be well within its rights to turn off the juice being provided to that OBAMination of a state. Let the suckers in the southern part of the state sweat without A/C, and those in the northern section freeze in the cold (cause the lefties sure don’t want folks burning stuff to keep warm...).


15 posted on 03/15/2011 8:30:51 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Real Cynic No More
and then return the case to a federal judge in New York.


The predetermined fix has already been decided, there will be no due process.

16 posted on 03/15/2011 8:32:00 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: NormsRevenge

Next they’ll be suing cows.


17 posted on 03/15/2011 8:32:45 AM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: avacado
I think after they sue their own energy providers out of business, they should be granted privilege to sue out of state providers out of business too.

Then outlaw candles and fire.

Let the retards freeze in the dark, all in one big happy communist gangbang.

binladen would not even bother wasting a good bomb on that state.

18 posted on 03/15/2011 8:33:04 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: Real Cynic No More

There is one thing KNOWN about that ‘pollutant’ carbon dioxide.

ALL LIVING THINGS are made from carbon dioxide! Even non-living things like limestone are made from carbon dioxide.

So, we should be just a little careful eliminating the basis of all life, don’t ya think?


19 posted on 03/15/2011 8:34:32 AM PDT by BillM
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To: avacado

The right thing would be to build good old Coal Power Plants. The EPA is the Employment Prevention Agency.


20 posted on 03/15/2011 8:36:23 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: NormsRevenge; tubebender

Stocked up on batteries yet?


21 posted on 03/15/2011 8:36:43 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Any out-of-state utilities supplying power to California should charge California extra to compensate for extra costs in case they ultimately end up being affected by the kind of suits California is bringing against its own power companies.

Seems only fair to me.


22 posted on 03/15/2011 8:37:20 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: avacado
California already imports more electricity from other states than any other state and they want to sue their own power companies?

Actually they want to sue the power companies in OTHER states, for two purposes.

It would subsidize electric power for CALIFORNIA and TAX other states/residents, AND run the money through the CA state political patronage system.

It would also expand California's authority to that of a nation state, and this is the real goal.

23 posted on 03/15/2011 8:39:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: avacado
California already imports more electricity from other states than any other state and they want to sue their own power companies?

They cut off water to their own farmers, so why not? Looking for logic in Liberal policies is futile unless you know their motive. Their motive is destruction, always destruction. When Obama was campaigning he told us that he was going to raise our electric rates so high we couldn't afford them. Most of us couldn't believe what we heard but that is what he said to the entire nation. He also said he was going to build a domestic police force that was as large and as powerful as our military. I wonder how far along he is with that?

24 posted on 03/15/2011 8:53:14 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government!)
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To: Dr. Sheldon Cooper

The power companies should leave California and tell them to hook up with a Mexican power company.


25 posted on 03/15/2011 8:53:38 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SouthTexas
You ain;t seen nothin' yet.


26 posted on 03/15/2011 8:55:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Roccus
Will that include the #1 greenhouse gas......water vapor?

It's a pollutant I tellya just like CO2 please stop breathing and put in artificial grass and rocks to save water and and save the delta smelt and and ......well youknow.
27 posted on 03/15/2011 9:05:35 AM PDT by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: NormsRevenge
California power companies should shut down and sell the equipment.

No energy should be allowed to come into California that is made by fossil fuels.

If the people of that state want no fossil fuels. Take them away. Good luck running everything on solar, wind, and the “2 million degree” thermopower.

28 posted on 03/15/2011 9:07:22 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Lancey Howard
The power companies should leave California and tell them to hook up with a Mexican power company.

Yeah, that'll work.


29 posted on 03/15/2011 9:09:53 AM PDT by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (If Mohammed were alive today, he wouldn’t be allowed to live within 1000 yards of a school.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let them (The six states - California, New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Rhode Island and Vermont, along with New York City).

And let the fun begins (for the rest of us).

/Just a reminder, Delaware is pretty business friendly, even though we are moving towards the wrong direction.


30 posted on 03/15/2011 9:14:45 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Dr. Sheldon Cooper
*Would the last business in California please turn the lights off when you leave?*

I think they're going for the Guinness record unemployment.

Shooting for 100% WOOHoo!

Will Californians be going to Mexico to look for work once all the nasty fossil fuels are gone from their state?

31 posted on 03/15/2011 9:35:24 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: NormsRevenge

I suppose he has to start pedaling to get the lights to work? :)


32 posted on 03/15/2011 9:40:39 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: SouthTexas

The new Pace Car for Nascar


33 posted on 03/15/2011 9:43:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: nomad

“Can we file against them for all the job losses they`ll cause?”

I want to sue California in order to recover my increased costs of virtually everything that requires chemicals or energy to produce. Those decisions also affect people across state lines.


34 posted on 03/15/2011 9:47:42 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: avacado
Just throw the switch and turn off their electricity. Then they have no standing for this suit.
35 posted on 03/15/2011 9:54:19 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: avacado

California is thinking about their short-term budget deficits.


36 posted on 03/15/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: NormsRevenge

ROFLMAO!


37 posted on 03/15/2011 10:12:56 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Tea time!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The case, to be argued April 19, pits the states and environmental organizations against an unusual alliance: the energy industry, which opposes the emissions limits, and the Obama administration, which says such restrictions should be imposed by Congress and federal agencies, not the courts.

This schitzophrenic sentence is both encouraging and disheartening.

First, it assumes that it has been demonstrated, scientifically, that man not only contributes significantly to global warming, and also can affect, in any way, a reduction in global warming.

The world has been doing that for millions of years, and the recent science frauds are lost on the politicians.

But more importantly, it suggests that the California Legislature and the environmentmental organizations are different groups.
Those organizations paid for and own the legislature, many of whom are dumber than a sackful of hammers.

I just wish individual citizens could participate as "Friends of the Court."

38 posted on 03/15/2011 10:36:16 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: AU72
the suit says they produce 2.5 percent of the world's emissions, thereby warming the planet and melting the Sierra snowpack earlier. That affects the state's drinking water supply, the suit says. In a rational United States this would be laughed out of court, however..

More than most people realize, since that "precious" water is simultaneously reserved exclusively for bugs and fish and bunnies to the exclusion of humans.
Ask me how the lack of water allowed to agriculture is affecting the food supply for the entire state... At one time the Sacramento/San Joaquin Valleys produced 80% of the fresh vegetables consumed in the entire U.S.A.

Is a fighting war the only solution?
I don't see how it can be avoided, and it won't be pretty --- for the mindless militant vegetables.

39 posted on 03/15/2011 10:44:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Roccus
Will that include the #1 greenhouse gas......water vapor?

That is essentially what the fight is about.
The State has already officially declared, arbitrarily, that CO2 is a harmful gas. I guess vegetation worldwide doesn't have a voice or a vote.
Water vapor is next.

Unfortunately, there are no California laws yet against ignorance and stupidity.

40 posted on 03/15/2011 10:49:15 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Roccus
*Will that include the #1 greenhouse gas......water vapor? *

Of course, they’ve signed documents to ban harmful DHMO many, many times.
Even their AGW cult “scientists” that worship Al Gore, the Cancunian Kuklas have signed a petition to ban water.

41 posted on 03/15/2011 10:55:14 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: MaxMax
I doubt one greenhead could answer those questions.

Sure they can; and do.
And I can tell you what the mindless answer is :

We're saving the Planet, morons!

In the old days, one would find that mentality, such as it is, in insane asylums..
Do we even have insane asylums any more?

42 posted on 03/15/2011 11:01:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: bgill
Next they’ll be suing cows.

They already tried that a few times.
For reasons no one can explain, it hasn't gotten traction.

43 posted on 03/15/2011 11:04:23 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Navy Patriot
It would also expand California's authority to that of a nation state, and this is the real goal.

You give that crwd in Sacramento entirely too much credit.

Their average IQ is in the low 50s.

I've lived here all my life and have seen, firsthand, the transformation into one big mess of pervert drooling idiots.

44 posted on 03/15/2011 11:09:24 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: Para-Ord.45; Entrepreneur; tubebender; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

45 posted on 03/15/2011 12:29:24 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: Publius6961

I think Clinton closed them all down for votes.


46 posted on 03/15/2011 1:03:07 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: NormsRevenge

Cut em OFF !

Sue That F WADs

Next they will want to Sue Counties, Ctates and Countries that have Volcano Eruptions or Wisconsin for Cow Farts or Arkansas for their Hogs.

TT


47 posted on 03/15/2011 3:34:12 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lawyer welfare bill.

The lawyers are destroying America.

It takes lawyers on both sides to feed from this trough so don’t Tell me about good lawyers.


48 posted on 03/15/2011 8:21:17 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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