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82% of US government run schools are failing
Rational Public Radio ^ | 3/15/11 | Scott Connery

Posted on 03/15/2011 3:39:03 PM PDT by Scottmkiv

There are many reasons why America's students are falling behind those in other countries. A recent comparison showed that America ranked 25th in Math, 17th in Science, and 14th in reading. This is out of only 34 countries.

Obviously, this poses a number of extreme problems.

If our graduates our inferior to the greatly more populous China (and they are), then inevitably our economy will suffer. The world's economy is dependent on highly skilled jobs, and a nation that perpetually turns out c students is bound to fall behind no matter the lead it started with.

The problems grow larger because we live in a representative republican. These same c students are going to be electing our politicians. Since they are poorly educated, and were never really taught how to think critically, they are likely to pick charlatans that make impossible promises. You need look no further than Obama's inauguration for evidence of this.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: education; school; schoolchoice; voucher

1 posted on 03/15/2011 3:39:05 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv
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Why not just post it here?

2 posted on 03/15/2011 3:44:35 PM PDT by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Scottmkiv

What else would one expect? Almost everything government touches fails.


3 posted on 03/15/2011 3:44:57 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: Scottmkiv

The real question is, “how much of government is failing?”


4 posted on 03/15/2011 3:46:34 PM PDT by Obadiah (If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?)
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To: Scottmkiv

Obama says changes are needed for NCLB, but offers nothing specific. Evidence is clear too much govermment involvement with education leads to poor performance, but idiots like Obamaa instead, think not enough government is involved. So like the true bozo he and the left are, they will once again throw more money at education and hope something good comes out of it. There is no plan except to spend more money on admistrators and changing the tests and standards for the 100th year in a row. Some plan there.


5 posted on 03/15/2011 3:47:02 PM PDT by bcr100
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To: Scottmkiv

Education with the union label.


6 posted on 03/15/2011 3:47:35 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: Scottmkiv

There are many reasons why America’s students are falling behind those in other countries. A recent comparison showed that America ranked 25th in Math, 17th in Science, and 14th in reading. This is out of only 34 countries.

Obviously, this poses a number of extreme problems.

If our graduates our inferior to the greatly more populous China (and they are), then inevitably our economy will suffer. The world’s economy is dependent on highly skilled jobs, and a nation that perpetually turns out c students is bound to fall behind no matter the lead it started with.

The problems grow larger because we live in a representative republican. These same c students are going to be electing our politicians. Since they are poorly educated, and were never really taught how to think critically, they are likely to pick charlatans that make impossible promises. You need look no further than Obama’s inauguration for evidence of this.

As if the old status quo wasn’t bad enough, the nations top education official, Arne Duncan, is warning that 82% of our countries schools are expected to fail in their educational mandates this year. Last year, only 37% failed.

Predictably, his answer is not to admit that government education doesn’t work well. Instead, he wants to lower standards.

“No Child Left Behind is broken and we need to fix it now,” Duncan says in prepared remarks for testimony before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce. “This law has created a thousand ways for schools to fail and very few ways to help them succeed. We should get out of the business of labeling schools as failures and create a new law that is fair and flexible, and focused on the schools and students most at risk.”

Right, so if we just avoid labeling schools as failures, and remove any accountability, then our problem is solved right? Anyone that thinks so is clearly a product of a particularly dismal government run school. Avoiding labels and lowering standards doesn’t fix problems it just evades them. America needs to face this problem head on, and any attempt to sweep it under the rug will just allow the problem to fester in the dark.

There is plenty blame for this shameful, and ruinous, state of affairs to spread around. The lion’s share belongs to our government, but the nations parents are certainly at fault too. The government manages these institutions and so obviously the failure like directly at it’s feet.

However, parents don’t make the government’s job any easier. When children show up to school with no motivation to learn, its terribly difficult to force them to. When parents aren’t actively involved in supporting and monitoring their children’s school work, the children quickly learn that it doesn’t need to be a priority. When parents scream that their children are being discriminated against whenever they are disciplined, it partially explains why today’s schools resemble nothing so much as giant prisons for our youth.

Ultimately, the fault lies with our nation’s voters, because they certainly are not making the right choices at the voting booth. America’s voters need to take their heads out of the sand, and realize that people like Arne Duncan will not get our schools back on track. Probably no man or agency can, so long as they are still run by the government.

We should fight for school vouchers as a stepping stone towards total educational privatization. The government has proven it simply isn’t capable of educating our nation’s students.

The reasons are as simple as they are inescapable. Our schools have no meaningful competition. Even if you send your kids to a private school, you still have to pay for public school. For that matter, even if you don’t have kids you still have to pay for public school. Therefore, no matter how atrocious a school’s performance is, they see increases in funding year after year. Thus, we end up in a situation were 82% of our nation’s school will fail to meet their already low standards.

This is exactly counter to the way the free market works. The market would reward exceptional schools, and effective methods of education. It would destroy ones that failed.

The profit motive would force schools to run streamlined businesses without masses of do nothing administration collecting enormous salaries and sweetheart retirement plans. This would lower the cost of education while improving it’s quality at the same time. In addition, it would place accountability where it belonged with the parents not with some distant bureaucrat.


7 posted on 03/15/2011 3:53:42 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Scottmkiv
82% of US government run schools are failing

I know the solution to this. We need to give them more money. We can knock this down to 79 or 80% failing with a couple extra billion. Just ask Obummer.

8 posted on 03/15/2011 3:53:42 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Scottmkiv
Depends on what your definition of 'fail' is.

If 'fail' means the kids are being graduated well versed in the major subjects capable of critical thought, and cognizant of their country's history, their rights & obligations under the US constitution & not little wards of the state, then the government schools are entirely successful.

9 posted on 03/15/2011 3:54:24 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Scottmkiv
How do we **know** that 18% of the government schools are successful?

Maybe it is the PARENTS and the children, themselves, IN THE HOME that are doing a great job of AFTERSCHOOLING!!!!

Where are the studies that **prove** that these government schools are successful?

Where are the studies that separate out how much is due entirely to the parents, private tutors, and the self-study done by the child? How much is due to the school?

My guess: If there is a “successful” school it is because the parents, and the children themselves, are successfully **afterschooling**!!!!! The government is sending home a tution-free curriculum for the parents and child to follow.

10 posted on 03/15/2011 3:54:59 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Scottmkiv
The problems grow larger because we live in a representative republican.

Which representative Republican do you live in?

11 posted on 03/15/2011 3:58:29 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA ("Elections have consequences...." Barry O. Thank you Scott Walker and WI Republicans!!)
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To: SunTzuWu
If government schools were to all close tomorrow, the **same** children who are getting and education today would get one tomorrow. Why?

Answer: Because...If there is an educated child in the U.S. today, it is because he has parents who are homeschooling or afterschooling.

Please read post #10.

Where are the studies that prove government schools actually teach children?

Where are the studies that separate out what is learned in the classroom from that learned IN THE HOME or through outside the school influences?

12 posted on 03/15/2011 4:00:50 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: bcr100

O will ban phonics and replace it with ebonics.

Anything else we need to know?


13 posted on 03/15/2011 4:01:08 PM PDT by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Scottmkiv
...a nation that perpetually turns out c students is bound to fall behind..

Not to nitpick, but a "C" is an average student. An no matter how hard you try, you will always have AVERAGE STUDENTS. This is as stupid as that senator who once said that he wanted EVERYONE to have an "above average income".

But what we need to do is do away with the stupid and costly "No Child Left Behind" program and instead become realistic and find the smart ones early and work on THEIR education and help THEM become even better. As it is now, the smart ones are held back by the slow ones to make sure that the slowest kids "don't get left behind".

14 posted on 03/15/2011 4:10:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Scottmkiv

“There are many reasons why America’s students are falling behind those in other countries”

I believe that the real reason is that the TEACHERS ARE FAILING to educate our students.


15 posted on 03/15/2011 4:18:21 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Lazlo in PA

“Failing” is such a polarizing word.
The solution is to stop testing them for competence.
Assume they’re doing great, but just underfunded.
Feed massive funds into a giant unaccountable bureacracy.

Paste, copy, apply to Healthcare.


16 posted on 03/15/2011 4:18:57 PM PDT by schwingdoc
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To: Scottmkiv
There are many reasons why America's students are falling behind those in other countries.

Face it, the #1 reason our schools are failing is because we just don't spend enough money on education and government doesn't have enough control over it.

Increase the bureaucracy and the spending on it and our system will then generate smarter kids.

17 posted on 03/15/2011 4:21:51 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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18 posted on 03/15/2011 4:23:08 PM PDT by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: Scottmkiv

But, but, I thought it was “All about the Children”. My Bad.


19 posted on 03/15/2011 4:24:39 PM PDT by radioone (Proud to be an enemy of Obama)
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To: Scottmkiv

Good post! Thanks!

I tried to post the following as a thread, but since it came to me as an email, I did not have a url for it. I am not wishing to hijack your thread, but thought that this article would dovetail with yours and add to your discussion. If this is true (I had not realized Prager is a school principal) this goes a long way in showing the way out of the failure of our schools. Thanks again!

A CALIFORNIA PRINCIPAL’S OPENING MESSAGE TO STUDENTS

From: Dennis Prager, principal at a high school in Redding, California, on the first day of classes in 2010: To the students and faculty of our high school: I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people.

I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school.

I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers, against your parents, and against our country.

Therefore: First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow, or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian, or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships.

The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity — your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American. This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans.

If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial, or religious identity through your school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity-, race- and non-American-nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America , one of its three central values — E Pluribus Unum — “from many, one.”

And this school will be guided by America ‘s values. That includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.

Your clubs will be based on interests and passions — not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism — an unhealthy preoccupation with the self — while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So, we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, math, carpentry, and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic or racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.

Second, I am not interested in whether or not English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America ‘s citizens for more than 200 years, and it will unite us at this school.

It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English-language skills, I will have been remiss in my duty to ensure that you are prepared to compete successfully in the American job market. We will learn? other languages here — it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English . But if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school.

Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning’s elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for a meal at a nice restaurant than they do for church or school. Those people have their priorities backwards. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school.

Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school’s property — whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can’t speak without using the “F-word,” you can’t speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission plus epithets such as the “N-word,” even when used by one black student to address another, or “bitch,” even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few of your age to distinguish instinctively between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.

Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way — the way people attained it until the state of California decided otherwise a generation ago — by earning it. One immediate consequence of this is that there will be only one class valedictorian, not eight.

Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom-wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual, or not Christian. We will have failed, if any one of you graduates from this school and does not consider himself or herself inordinately lucky — to be alive and to be an American.

Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America .
As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you.


20 posted on 03/15/2011 4:27:19 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: freeangel
I believe that the real reason is that the TEACHERS ARE FAILING to educate our students.

I don't believe the teachers set the grade standards or develop the curriculum, do they?

21 posted on 03/15/2011 4:33:21 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: EGPWS

Face it, the #1 reason our schools are failing is because we just don’t spend enough money on education and government doesn’t have enough control over it.

Increase the bureaucracy and the spending on it and our system will then generate smarter kids

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I certainly hope you just forgot the sarcasm disclaimer....


22 posted on 03/15/2011 4:39:28 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit - Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: EGPWS

Face it, the #1 reason our schools are failing is because we just don’t spend enough money on education and government doesn’t have enough control over it.

Increase the bureaucracy and the spending on it and our system will then generate smarter kids
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I certainly hope you just forgot the sarcasm disclaimer....
I realize it shouldn’t be necessary, but today you never know...ha


23 posted on 03/15/2011 4:41:22 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit - Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Did a principle really say this? Don’t know if you made this up or not but “WOW”, every school in the country should begin their year with this message. Awesome!


24 posted on 03/15/2011 4:42:25 PM PDT by In God I trust
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To: Scottmkiv

mo’ money, mo’ money, mo’ money.


25 posted on 03/15/2011 4:42:54 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Scottmkiv

close the NEA! now!


26 posted on 03/15/2011 4:46:28 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: xrmusn
I certainly hope you just forgot the sarcasm disclaimer....

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Will this do? ; )

27 posted on 03/15/2011 4:48:01 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Carley

Press 1 for Swahili.


28 posted on 03/15/2011 4:48:51 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism = Communism under the guise of compassion.)
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To: bcr100

I think he doesn’t offer specific suggestions because he wants to further lower our school’s standards. Coming right out and saying it makes for bad politics though.


29 posted on 03/15/2011 4:49:03 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

Close all public schools and give all the kiddies vouchers for private schools.

We’d actually save money and get better education.

Government can’t do a dam thing right.


30 posted on 03/15/2011 4:51:21 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: freeangel

I think that teachers are part of the problem, but not the whole problem. They get shoved into a governmental system that basically makes it impossible to do their jobs correctly.

They cannot effectively control their classrooms, because no meaningful consequences are allowed for disruptive students. They have to teach using the constantly changing plans some over-paid administrator makes in order to justify his salary.

Therefore, the good teachers either leave, or become cynical and start counting the years left until they can retire.


31 posted on 03/15/2011 4:53:14 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Scottmkiv

Thhey may be crappy in math, science, history, reading , and foreign languages - but, hey, they’ve got great self-esteem!


32 posted on 03/15/2011 4:59:00 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

At least until they go out into the real world, and their “everyone gets a trophy” self-esteem is ground into the dirt by reality.


33 posted on 03/15/2011 5:01:43 PM PDT by Scottmkiv
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Not to nitpick, but a “C” is an average student. An no matter how hard you try, you will always have AVERAGE STUDENTS. “

Not so fast. C doesn’t mean an average student. It means the student scored a 75% on a test.
It also depends on the expectations behind the test. If most kids are capable of learning algebra but they are barely passing simple arithmetic then something is wrong.


34 posted on 03/15/2011 5:09:40 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Scottmkiv

Blame it on the NEA

America was better educated in the days of 1 room school houses and 1 teacher for all the classes.


35 posted on 03/15/2011 5:14:16 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: mulligan

bttt


36 posted on 03/15/2011 5:15:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Scottmkiv
If our graduates our inferior

Proof reading is your friend. That should be If our graduates are inferior

37 posted on 03/15/2011 5:21:25 PM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: freeangel; Scottmkiv

GM failed. Banks failed. Our economy is failing. Our elected leaders are failing. The justice system is failing. The family, as an institution, is failing. The Church is failing. American values are being swept away and being replaced by socialism at every turn.

But we expect our schools to do wonderful things! How strange...


38 posted on 03/15/2011 5:25:22 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: EGPWS

Will this do? ; )
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Of course....As I suspected...

However, being somewhat of an entrepreneur, I suggest we go into the shipping business together.

You supply a couple of ships and I will supply the ocean.


39 posted on 03/15/2011 5:26:59 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) "Daylight Savings is NOT a failed bank" B. Simpson)
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To: Scottmkiv

Yeah, government runs schools just like it runs everything else: into the ground.

Disfunctional schools where they teach self-esteem, diversity, and globull warming. An immigration policy that is bringing in millions of people who are barely intellectually qualified to pick lettuce. TV and other mass media that pitche to the lowest common denominator. And a parasite society that takes the stigma out of being on the government teat and having babies out of wedlock.

A sure way to head to the bottom.

Fat, stupid, and lazy are no way to get ahead.


40 posted on 03/15/2011 5:27:23 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: EGPWS

You’re kidding, right?


41 posted on 03/15/2011 5:28:00 PM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: Scottmkiv

Not a surprising statistic.

JoMa


42 posted on 03/15/2011 5:41:57 PM PDT by joma89
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To: ari-freedom

Spot on!


43 posted on 03/15/2011 6:52:19 PM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: SunTzuWu

Do you think the reduced coverage, due to Japan, hurts or helps the efforts to repair state economies?


44 posted on 03/15/2011 8:30:42 PM PDT by dmam2011
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To: In God I trust; amom

I did not make this up!I received it as an email. As I read it, my understanding was that Dennis Prager, well known radio talk show host, if I’m not mistaken, has become a principal and stated these things to the kids. I would love to see if it can be confirmed by anyone who is better at research than I am!


45 posted on 03/15/2011 9:24:53 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: TEXOKIE
That's great! I will see what I can find on Dennis. Thanks.
46 posted on 03/16/2011 5:17:32 AM PDT by In God I trust
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To: In God I trust

Thank you! I would love to see if this can be confirmed. It is a wonderful speech, and I hope it’s true!


47 posted on 03/16/2011 6:36:27 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: TEXOKIE
Unfortunately no real high schoolers got this speech at the beginning of their year. This written by Dennis Prager as a reference as to what every High School principle should say to begin the school year. Follow link here for source: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/principal.asp

It would be a perfect speech that needs to be given that's for sure. Oh well, too good to be true.

48 posted on 03/16/2011 11:04:20 AM PDT by In God I trust
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To: In God I trust

Bless your heart. Thanks for clearing that up! *sigh* Well, I just think we need to hold the vision that with God all things are possible, and one day such things WILL be said again to our young!


49 posted on 03/16/2011 1:49:30 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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