China aims new missile types at Taiwan, NSB says

You make me laugh, several times.

That's okay...

From whom are you(American soldiers overseas) trying to save? Did Chinese military force ever step onto Japanese islands, even if we (Chinese) were fighting ww2 with them (Japanese) back then? Did you set military bases in those countries out of their safety concern, or for your own military purpose? God knows, and you know it too.

The United States placed troops in Japan at the end of World War II. At first it was part of the occupation, but later on it became reasoned to have our troops there so that Japan would have no need to rebuild it's military, and wouldn't be tempted to threaten the region again. China was actually a beneficiary of that policy. It's sad you don't know this.

During the cold war, which ramped up following WWII, the United States kept troops in Germany and Japan as a reaction to the military threat Russia represented. Russia gobbled up Eastern Europe. It clearly had intentions in Western Europe too, using it's underground in an attempt to bring communism to that region.

As for China occupying Japan, no it didn't. Did it pour it's troops into North Korea? Yes. The United States left a base in South Korea near the DMZ, to discourage North Korea or China from getting the idea they could turn the Korean War hot again. Are you aware that North Korea still considers itself in a state of war with the South? What choice did the West have, but to keep troops there to prevent agression by the North.

Yes, you did make contribution to world peace in recent history. We thank you for that.

Yeah, I've got to say I'm really impressed with your thanks after your previous comments.

But you also triggered wars. Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Does this list ring a bell to you?

Kosovo: I was against Kosovo, but there was reason behind the actions there. The United States didn't conduct it's actions there in a vacuum. The nations of Europe were unified behind the activities of the United States there. Although I was against getting involved, and am not enthusiastic about the political map after the military campaign there, the fact is, that region is stable today, people not being slaughtered in mass. Does that really bother you? Did the United States occupy the region and claim the territory as it's own? No.

Iraq: Saddam Hussein was responsible for upwards of one million people's deaths. He had attacked no less than four different nations. He had used chemical weapons on the Kurds, in his own nation. His sons were brutal killers. They were well known for doing things like killing anyone who crossed them, and singleing out husbands for destruction, then exploiting their wives. On one such instance it is well documented that they put the husband in a wood-chipper feet first. Saddam attacked Iran. It is estimated that upwards of 500,000 people died on each side during the Iraq/Iran war. Hussein is also suspected of killing upwards of 300,000 of his own people duirng various purges. Mass graves were found in numerous areas of Iraq. At various times he attacked, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. He was constantly saying things in public that led world leaders to think he was developing devistating weapons. He was constantly making comments supportive of terrorist activity. He was paying the families of suicide bombers $25,000.00. Al Qaeda was operating in Iraq. Take a look at what took place during the Iraq War. Terrorists were blowing up public places on a regular basis for years. These attacks killed thousands of private citizens in the nation. After 09/11, the United States decided to clean up Iraq. Are you unhappy the U. S. brought an end to this? Are the people of Iraq better off today or not? Of course they are. Did the United States claim any part of Iraq as it's own? No.

Libya: I am against U. S. actions in Libya. Despite this, Khadaffi is slaughtering his own people with airstrikes, tanks, other military vehicles. The United States is not acting alone. The United Nations and NATO have each found it necessary to intervene in Libya. When the vote was taken, China abstained. Look, Khadaffi has directed terrorist activity in the region, in Europe, and against United States aircraft. He has been pushing his luck for decades. For taking down that Pan Am plane alone, he should have been destroyed. Will the United States occupy Libya, and claim the territory for itself? No. Is the U. S. taking action in Libya for it's own self-interest? Actually, it isn't. We don't know what government will spring forth after we help the rebels. It will likely be just as anti-U.S. as Khadaffi's regime was. So you tell me, is this for the Libyan people's safety or not? That may be blah blah blah to you, but I'm thinking the Libyan people who have begged the Western World to intervene, don't share your light-hearted banter about this.

Afghanistan: This is still a work in progress. The Taliban are an integral part of the nation. Unfortunately they are also present a significant terrorist threat globally. They and Al Qaeda have carried out terrorist operations in a number of nations. The United States had no choice but to try to address the problems with the Taliban. The United States didn't just attack Iraq and Afghanistan out of the blue. The United States was attacked in it's largest city. Three thousand people were killed, and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure destoryed. You've got a fish-eye lense view of the world if you don't know the reasons for U. S. actvity in Afghanistan.

And pleaaaaaaase, don’t tell me that you do those things for their safety, freedom, human rights, and blah blah blah. I’m not gonna buy it.

I don't really care if you buy it or not. Are people safer in Kosovo today or not? Are people safter today in Iraq or not? Are the people of Libya safer today or not? The fact is, they are all safer. If you wish to think that isn't so, I can't stop you.

And what makes you think that I agree with Chinese leaders’ logic that we possess Taiwan?

I don't know you. For all I know you are working out of a communist central committee office. I am responding to you as a person, with that in mind. I'm not sure that I said you were in favor of taking back Taiwan. I haven't been on the thread in a week or so, and I don't remember everything I said. Most of my comments have been geared to addressing the government's idiotic policies. For instance, why is the government of China building up it's military? Is it under threat of invasion? Has any nation whatsoever said that it has intent on one square inch of China? None the less China is intent on building up a military force that can only be viewed as exherting it's influence globally, by military means. Why? That's why the rest of the nations on planet earth view China with concern today.

Did I retort your statements regarding the relationship between mainland China and Taiwan in this thread? You are a mindreader or something? If you are, then I am not paying ya, because you had the wrong reading.

Once again, I have no way of knowing if you are writing this as a private citizen or someone working for the government of China. My comments were drafted with this in mind. I have tried to direct my comments as if to the government, without taking you personally or the people of China to task.

PS: word of advice, next time you run into an everyday Chinese, ask them if they are on Chinese government’s side on Taiwan issue first, before pouring your hatred and disgust on them.

Nowhere in my comments here have I expressed any dislike for you whatsoever. Likewise, I haven't said anything to convey a dislike for the Chinese people either. I see these as two separate entities, the government and the people, even though I could assign a lot more weight to willing communist party members, who champion everything the government does. I have chosen not to get into that.

Saying that I hate what happened in Tiananmin Square is not an expression of hatred for the Chinese people. Saying that I don't like what China's leadership is doing with regard to Taiwan and it's military build-up is not an expression of dislike for the Chinese people.

Frankly, having watched the government of China, there's quite a bit to be disgusted with. We can start with the fact that there is a shortage of women available to the young men who outnumber them significantly. I'll bet you think that's an expression of hatred for the Chinese people too.

Well, I have to say that you seem to have an unbreakable train of thoughts. But I’ll try giving it a shot anyway.

First thing first, I am NOT a communist, and I do not work for any Chinese governmental agency or communist office. And besides, it might come out quite a shock to you, but there ARE civilized people out there, even though they may have a difference of opinion with you.

Now back to our topic about your overseas military bases, I admit that China was one of the direct beneficiaries of your Smallboy and Fatboy. It was you guys who speeded up the process of the ww2 in East Asia, and brought an end to Japanese Militarism. However, having your troops station in Japan nowadays can not be easily explained as a precaution against Japanese military threat to the region any more. If it is, then what are the American-Japan joint military exercises about? A country’s tactics can be different under different times. And Japan has become America’s ally nowadays, whether Japan is willing to, or forced to. So I’d still say the military bases there are majorly for your own military purposes. It is majorly a tool by which America uses to contain Russia and China.

As for Korean peninsula, you are saying that you are in South Korea to protect them from North Korea’s aggression. Well, ok, that’s surely one way to look at it. But if you ask the South Korean protestors who were strongly against American-Korean joint military exercises last winter, you would get a different answer. Not to mention those Korean protestors who protest against many other things that American soldiers have done in South Korea. Anyway, the point is you think you are doing a favor for the South Koreans here, but as it turns out, the benefits you get from the South Koreans outweigh the ones you bring them.

Any how about the other hundreds of American military bases which are scattered all over the world, even where there are no conflicts or warfare? Any better explanation than hegemony military purpose? Now you are close to or already being capable of striking any corner of the globe. And you are concerned about us building up military force? Well, welcome on board of feeling threatened.

And you know on what I agree the most with you? Everything happens for a reason. However, some reasons we can understand and willingly accept, while some not. At least not yet. When you started a war for all the good reasons, you might end the terror from one dictator, but you created a new terror on the other hand, even though that wasn’t your first intention.

Think about the three innocent Chinese journalists who died in a “miscalculation” of bomb attack in Yugoslavia in 1999. Think about those innocent lives that were taken in Haditha in Nov. 2005, by USMC, intentionally or mistakenly. And think about the innocent civilians who were wrongly killed by NATO in Helmand, on March 25, 2011. They are not a part of terrorism, and they don’t deserve to die. We all know that there are more such examples of so-called fighting terrorism. And this has caused a chain of side effects, say anti-America movements and more terrorists. That’s one of the reasons why your troops are still trapped in Iraq and Afghanistan. Anyhow, I just wish the commanders and soldiers understand that fighting terrorism does not give them a green light to kill as they wish. If they do, then they are no different from terrorists per se.

And do you benefit from these wars in the name of fighting terrorism? You do. And so do China. If I didn’t recall it wrong, China was the first one to send Oil Company to Iraq. As for the reason why China abstained from voting on Libya, they say it’s because we do not intervene in other nations’ internal affairs. But as a matter of fact, only the policy makers know the real reason. No matter what, I am sure it is out of the best consideration for our national interests. So I wouldn’t say China was the bigger image here. As after all, lying politicians are the same to nature.

On a lighter note, quite different from you, our(Chinese people’s) hatred and disgust is on parents who prefer boy baby over girl baby, when it comes to the topic of one-child policy and abortion. Yes, China has the one-child policy plan. But have you studied the details of this policy? Of course you haven’t.

When first hearing this policy, a huge number of westerners would think wow, one family could have one child only? This was pure inhumanity. But they barely know that this one-child policy was aiming at controlling the population of Han Chinese (We have 55 minorities here). Those minorities could give birth to a second or even third or fourth child. As for us Han Chinese, if we are living in the countryside, we could give birth to a second child. If the first child is girl, we could give birth to a second child. If the couple is divorced, they could give birth to another child with the new spouse. So technically, this policy should not be addressed as one-child policy at all, because the majority of families here had more than one child back to the days when this policy was first carried out, since those who lived in the countryside surpassed the ones who lived in the city at that time.

And I am not trying to cover the government’s wrong-doing, but the real ones to blame are parents who prefer boys. Most parents and grandparents(father’s side) prefer their first born child/grandchild to be a boy, so they could have someone carry on the family name and family descent. It is the cruel parents’ decision to abort the infant girl baby in many cases, not the governments’, if you are interested to know. And if you don’t believe me, you could try to dig a bit about Chinese culture regarding male priority vs female inferiority. Or you could ask a Chinese-born friend of yours, if you have any.

Oh, and by the way, there are 8 million or so communists in China, and I challenge you to “encounter” one on western forums, one who is interested in debates and fluent in English. They are either busy attending vacuous conferences or on their way to conferences, lol.

I probably should call it a day here, and nice to know you didn’t have any hatred towards me. You sound pretty serious and intimidating though, haha.

Have a nice day.

OMG, aren’t we overwhelming...

Well, I have to say that you seem to have an unbreakable train of thoughts. But I’ll try giving it a shot anyway. LOL. No problem. Let's see what you've got.

First thing first, I am NOT a communist, and I do not work for any Chinese governmental agency or communist office. And besides, it might come out quite a shock to you, but there ARE civilized people out there, even though they may have a difference of opinion with you. You know, I expected you to admit you were working for the Communist leadership of China. That was a joke in case you didn't get it. As for civilized people disagreeing with me, they do so frequently. They generally don't on these topics though. Just thought I'd mention that in case it meant anything to you. A lot of non-thinking people agree with what you have posted here though. Thought I'd mention that in case it meant anything to you.

Now back to our topic about your overseas military bases, I admit that China was one of the direct beneficiaries of your Smallboy and Fatboy. It was you guys who speeded up the process of the ww2 in East Asia, and brought an end to Japanese Militarism. However, having your troops station in Japan nowadays can not be easily explained as a precaution against Japanese military threat to the region any more. If it is, then what are the American-Japan joint military exercises about? A country’s tactics can be different under different times. And Japan has become America’s ally nowadays, whether Japan is willing to, or forced to. So I’d still say the military bases there are majorly for your own military purposes. It is majorly a tool by which America uses to contain Russia and China. Has it dawned on you that Japan doesn't have nuclear weapons or the missiles to deliver them to the cities of China? Evidently not. Does China have nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them to Japanese cities? Well yes it does. If it weren't for the United States presence in Japan, you would be looking down the barrel of a Japanese nucelar threat. Duh!

As for Korean peninsula, you are saying that you are in South Korea to protect them from North Korea’s aggression. Well, ok, that’s surely one way to look at it. But if you ask the South Korean protestors who were strongly against American-Korean joint military exercises last winter, you would get a different answer. Not to mention those Korean protestors who protest against many other things that American soldiers have done in South Korea. Anyway, the point is you think you are doing a favor for the South Koreans here, but as it turns out, the benefits you get from the South Koreans outweigh the ones you bring them. Spoken like a diehard Communist party member. What group do you think those many protesters are members of? Hmm, the Communist party perhaps? You're really showing your true colors here, and I must say, I do appreciate it.

Any how about the other hundreds of American military bases which are scattered all over the world, even where there are no conflicts or warfare? Any better explanation than hegemony military purpose? Now you are close to or already being capable of striking any corner of the globe. And you are concerned about us building up military force? Well, welcome on board of feeling threatened. Those bases are on leased property from the nations where they are located. They are located there to stop military adventurism from whatever nation happens to wish to do such things. And China is fast becoming one of them. So you tell me bright path, who is putting your nation in danger? Is it the U. S., or is it the expansionist driven Communist Party of China? China is quite successful without expansionism. You would have me believe that the United States treatment of China has resulted in irreprable harm to it. The United States almost single-handedly propelled China into the present, gifting it with about fifty years worth of technology, and you're response is that the United States is a bad player. Talk about your clueless comments.

And you know on what I agree the most with you? Everything happens for a reason. However, some reasons we can understand and willingly accept, while some not. At least not yet. When you started a war for all the good reasons, you might end the terror from one dictator, but you created a new terror on the other hand, even though that wasn’t your first intention. Nice try, but the topic was whether we were doing the deed to protect the citizens of another nation or not. You said we were doing this for our own benefit. You were wrong, and I proved it to you. Now you seek to change the topic to one of possibly setting up another problem government. We'll have to deal with that should it take place, but your premise that we did this for our own benefit was dead wrong.

Think about the three innocent Chinese journalists who died in a “miscalculation” of bomb attack in Yugoslavia in 1999. Yeah, Chinese "journalists" were frequently located in Yugoslavia weren't they. Thanks for the homor break. Their presence in Yugoslavia had nothing to do with the downed U. S. aircraft there, and picking through the rubble for technological discoveries, did it. Think about those innocent lives that were taken in Haditha in Nov. 2005, by USMC, intentionally or mistakenly. Yes, those Marines fired on people who were firing on them. Wow, how could they? When soldiers come under fire in a war-zone, they're going to respond. Who knew? Tell me, what's your explanation for unarmed people being gunned down with AK-47s, and runover by tanks? And think about the innocent civilians who were wrongly killed by NATO in Helmand, on March 25, 2011. They are not a part of terrorism, and they don’t deserve to die. There are a number of things that happend in and around Helmund on March 25th, 2011. If you want to score points, you're going to have to be more specific. We all know that there are more such examples of so-called fighting terrorism. Yep, and each of them has a very reasoned explanation. Unfortunately die-hard Communists are destined to try to eploit them for advantage. Again, who knew? And this has caused a chain of side effects, say anti-America movements and more terrorists. Yes, attacking terrorits networks will cause some people to despise the U. S. And who might that be, terrorists and their sympathizers? By this point in our conversation, it's quite evident you hold animosity based on U. S. actions. Why would you be upset that the U. S. was taking action against terrorists trying to take down Western nations? That’s one of the reasons why your troops are still trapped in Iraq and Afghanistan. The reason our troops will remain there, is the same reason they remain lots of places. They do so to maintain stability. Anyhow, I just wish the commanders and soldiers understand that fighting terrorism does not give them a green light to kill as they wish. If they do, then they are no different from terrorists per se. I hope you understand that I have been around long enough to realize what type of person makes the types of arguments you have here. A person that opposes terrorism against the West, isn't going to accuse the troops who are trying to combat terrorism, with terrorists who conduct attacks almost exclusively against private citizens. The troops try to root out terrorists and at times do create some collateral damage. The terrorists almost exclusively attack civilians, and sometimes kill troops too. How many large car or truck bombs have U. S. troops detonated in the market places of the Middle-East or Asia? Please, link me to the reports. I'd like to see them.

These comments are straight out of the Communist play-book. Either you work for the Communist party and know where the arguments came from, or you have been spoon fed these biased attacks and have incorporated them into your belief system in error. Either way it doesn't speak well of you.

And do you benefit from these wars in the name of fighting terrorism? You do. And so do China. If I didn’t recall it wrong, China was the first one to send Oil Company to Iraq. Okay, let's talk about Iraq and what the U. S. has gained from entering it and stabalizing the nation. The U. S. has lost over 4,000 men, spent hundreds of billions of dollars, and obtained almost nothing in return. The U. S. now obtains 1/20th or 3.98% of it's total petrolium imports from Iraq. And those petrolium imports are paid for at the going rate. LINK Since the U. S. engaged Hussien and the terrorists in Iraq, there have been no further attacks on U. S. soil, and for about the last five years, there has been far less terrorism globally. Now, you tell me. Did the U. S. benefit exhorbitantly, or did many nations benefit from the efforts of the U. S. and some of it's allies in Iraq? In fact, as you stated, people that opposed U. S. intervention in Iraq have also benefited.

The U. S. is not a global threat. The U. S. has been a global benefactor for the last 70 or so years. Instead of lamenting it's presence around the planet, China would do well to reconsider what it thinks of as U. S. dominance. China has an Islamic problem on it's Western border. One would think it could but two and two together, and realize one less terrorist to the U. S., would be one less threat to China as well. Instead we see China acting as if things would be a lot better if the U. S. retreated to it's mainland, and it took over as the world's potecter.

As for the reason why China abstained from voting on Libya, they say it’s because we do not intervene in other nations’ internal affairs. But as a matter of fact, only the policy makers know the real reason. No matter what, I am sure it is out of the best consideration for our national interests. So I wouldn’t say China was the bigger image here. As after all, lying politicians are the same to nature. Okay, we're fairly close to agreement on this issue. I still can't help thinking that China objects to U. S. intervention because it's doesn't mind seeing Westerners die at the hands of terrorists. Here's some food for thought. What nation was the U. S. occupying or oppressing that caused it to be attacked on 09/11/01? What would China have done if it had been attacked in that manner? Would it have just smiled and said, "Oh well..."?

On a lighter note, quite different from you, our(Chinese people’s) hatred and disgust is on parents who prefer boy baby over girl baby, when it comes to the topic of one-child policy and abortion. Wow, I am impresssed. That was a much lighter note. Yes, China has the one-child policy plan. But have you studied the details of this policy? Of course you haven’t.

When first hearing this policy, a huge number of westerners would think wow, one family could have one child only? This was pure inhumanity. But they barely know that this one-child policy was aiming at controlling the population of Han Chinese (We have 55 minorities here). Those minorities could give birth to a second or even third or fourth child. As for us Han Chinese, if we are living in the countryside, we could give birth to a second child. If the first child is girl, we could give birth to a second child. If the couple is divorced, they could give birth to another child with the new spouse. So technically, this policy should not be addressed as one-child policy at all, because the majority of families here had more than one child back to the days when this policy was first carried out, since those who lived in the countryside surpassed the ones who lived in the city at that time.

And I am not trying to cover the government’s wrong-doing, but the real ones to blame are parents who prefer boys. Most parents and grandparents(father’s side) prefer their first born child/grandchild to be a boy, so they could have someone carry on the family name and family descent. It is the cruel parents’ decision to abort the infant girl baby in many cases, not the governments’, if you are interested to know. And if you don’t believe me, you could try to dig a bit about Chinese culture regarding male priority vs female inferiority. Or you could ask a Chinese-born friend of yours, if you have any.

Look, I've read about the block mothers in China. We both know what their duties are, so please lay off the propaganda. Trying to lay this off as evil parents, and not government policy is very dishonest. You and I both know that.

Oh, and by the way, there are 8 million or so communists in China, and I challenge you to “encounter” one on western forums, one who is interested in debates and fluent in English. They are either busy attending vacuous conferences or on their way to conferences, lolis. Please remind me what party people have to be a member of to become public officials.

I probably should call it a day here, and nice to know you didn’t have any hatred towards me. You sound pretty serious and intimidating though, haha. Well, that's okay. I don't mind sounding intimidating to people who are pushing the Communist/Leftist party line. As for hating you, I honestly don't. I could easily accept a Chinese person as a friend, if I were sure they weren't trying to game me.

Have a nice day. You too...

Ok I get it. As a “non-thinking, dishonest Chinese communist propaganda”, who is die-hard by the way, I should simply dig a hole and jump in to save the embarrassment. I’m almost running out of words, when facing this kind of false charges. Frankly speaking, this wasn’t the first time people accuse me of being a “communist propaganda”. And instead of repeatedly denying it this time, I beg you to help me inform Hu Jintao or whoever in charge to send me a fat paycheck, since I am “working so hard for them”. lol Well, in case you didn’t get it, this was supposed to be a sarcasm, as well as the “ vacuous conference” comment.

Seriously, you guys always take a dissident Chinese as a communist propaganda. But you never wonder why educated Chinese people are having problems dealing with western doctrine, AFTER we open up our minds and get in touch with the outside world. I am one of those who are stuck between Chinese political system and western ones. We don’t like our current government, due to its massive corruption, misconduct, nonfeasance, to name just a few. And we don’t like your political systems either, because you are nothing like advertised, despite of your defenses.

And I guess there is no need to continue our discussion, as everything I say has been and will be interpreted as communist propaganda. Even my choice of words is a hint of communist book excerpt, lol. Ok, lesson learnt: do not use COMMUNIST WORDS next time you debate with someone.

Pheobe I don’t expect you to understand this, because you are not here in the U. S.

Here in the U. S. we have quite an opposition built up of people who are very sympathetic to Socialism and the global Marxist Communist movements. These people have fellow travelers in some of the worst groups in the world. Some of them are terrorists. Some of them are people who have despised the U. S. for fifty years or more.

What they have in comment are anti-traditional U. S. views.

I’m not saying this to be mean to you, but the arguments you have been making, sound identical to theirs. Those comments about the U. S. having bases around the world, and the U. S. being a very bad nation for this being true, are some of the main criticisms of the U. S. by these groups.

When you make them too, it causes me to see you as a fellow traveler of them.

For the most part the world’s leading Marxist Communist groups make the same arguments you have. They defend China against any criticism, and rail on the U. S. for everything the U. S. government and military does.

I’m sorry our discussion was so adversarial. I think my above explanation makes it clear why I saw some of your comments in a negative light.

Take care...