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Clinton: No-fly zone means bombing
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Posted on 03/17/2011 12:10:04 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Clinton: No-fly zone means bombing

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Thursday that establishing a United Nations-sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya would require bombing targets of Muammar Qadhafi’s regime there.

“A no-fly zone requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems,” Clinton said in Tunis, her last stop on a trip that also took her to Cairo and Paris.

In all her stops, Clinton’s done a mix of stressing the need for democracy in post-revolution Tunisia and Egypt, and pushing for international cooperation in responding to the crisis in Libya. On Thursday, her only full day in Tunisia, Clinton promised that the United States “will stand with you as you make the transition to democracy, prosperity and a better future.”

Clinton’s remarks came as the United Nations Security Council prepared to vote later Thursday on a resolution to create the no-fly zone.

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1 posted on 03/17/2011 12:10:06 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow - we went from “no fly zone” to “bomb what we want zone” pretty fast...


2 posted on 03/17/2011 12:11:54 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sub-Driver

NO SHIITE!


3 posted on 03/17/2011 12:12:09 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Show me what Obama brought that was new and there you will find things only radical and destructive.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wag the dog.


4 posted on 03/17/2011 12:16:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2banana
What's going on in Libya is civil war. I am wondering, what would Americans say is foreign powers intervened on behalf of one side or another in our Civil War? Just wondering.

Since when does international law allow for interference in a civil war that has not overflowed the national borders?

5 posted on 03/17/2011 12:16:29 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Sub-Driver

A month ago no one had any intention of going in and taking out Qadhafi. Why should we be more inclined to take him out today then we were a month ago? Same guy today as a month ago. Doesn’t look any crazier today than a month ago.

If our goal was to take out Qadhafi we had a window last week. We blew it.


6 posted on 03/17/2011 12:16:32 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder if this is the admin’s way of telling Qaddafi to hurry up...


7 posted on 03/17/2011 12:18:48 PM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: Sub-Driver

So Hillary listened to Gates.

... and this is why we should let the Europeans and the Arab League do it.

No one is going to love us if we do it. Not Daffy’s loyalists, not the Arab League, not the new Jihadis we’d be installing in his place, not Al Qaeda. So why do it?


8 posted on 03/17/2011 12:19:40 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow... mission creep before mission start.


9 posted on 03/17/2011 12:20:14 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Thursday that establishing a United Nations-sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya would require bombing targets of Muammar Qadhafi’s regime there.

Whaddayaknow... Hillary is SecDef, too!

10 posted on 03/17/2011 12:21:49 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
So why do it?

Baraqaddafi needs to appear decisive. All about The One, you know...

11 posted on 03/17/2011 12:23:20 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
So why do it?

Baraqaddafi needs to appear decisive. All about The One, you know...

12 posted on 03/17/2011 12:23:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
So why do it?

Baraqaddafi needs to appear decisive. All about The One, you know...

13 posted on 03/17/2011 12:23:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: ScottinVA

That was weird. Only hit “post” once, but it posted up three times.


14 posted on 03/17/2011 12:24:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Not one drop of American blood for muslims in Libya or anywhere else!!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, if we entertain the idea of a no-fly zone, before that can begin, we gotta ace the Colonel’s air defense network.

As for myself, I think we should sit this one out. It’s another tar baby.


15 posted on 03/17/2011 12:24:33 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Sub-Driver
Why didn't W. think of this?

"Oh, we forgot to define our terms. 'No fly zone' means that if we detect so much as a single housefly taking wing, anywhere in your country, we're going to bomb you into oblivion."

16 posted on 03/17/2011 12:25:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Sub-Driver

By saying “bombing would be required” they’re really simply trying to give themselves an out for doing NOTHING —what Obama does best.

Besides eat ice-cream, sound reaaaaly unruffled, or hit the beaches in Rio.

They’re trying to minimize the political cost with their whacko left BASE of doing nothing.

Those rebels are toast —hugely telling that they were appealing to GEORGE BUSH for help.


17 posted on 03/17/2011 12:27:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ScottinVA

Why can’t he be appear decisive...Like Ronald Reagan and lob a cruise missile on his tent...?!?


18 posted on 03/17/2011 12:28:05 PM PDT by Ground0
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To: Sub-Driver
Susan Rice: UN to vote at 6pm on Libya no-fly resolution
19 posted on 03/17/2011 12:30:35 PM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: 2banana

Who CARES ? Both sides hate us!!!!!


20 posted on 03/17/2011 12:31:09 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: TopQuark

Actually the Confederacy tried hard to get both France and Britain involved on the South’s side. They were making some headway on the British due to cotton exports but never really got that close to getting them to commit.

}:-)4


21 posted on 03/17/2011 12:31:51 PM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Sub-Driver
Hillary is going rogue...

But team Clinton has been on the march for the last six months, IMO. They will not allow this farce to continue into 2012, because of the implications for the Senate.

22 posted on 03/17/2011 12:32:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I'd crawl over broken glass for her. Alea iacta est.)
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To: ScottinVA
FWIW, I don't think Barry's been the least bit indecisive.

I think it's been Barry's intention all along to allow Qaddafi to stay right where he is.

23 posted on 03/17/2011 12:32:31 PM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Kosovo II: Electric Boogaloo.

}:-)4


24 posted on 03/17/2011 12:35:40 PM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Sub-Driver
“A no-fly zone requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems,”

Maybe Clinton could send Obama to lead the bombing.

Then the headlines could read: Clinton sends dope to bomb Libya

25 posted on 03/17/2011 12:40:08 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Moose4
the Confederacy tried hard to get both France and Britain involved

What someone tries is not the point: would anybody, including the Confederates consider that within the international law? Of course not.

Laws are laws and principles are principles only if applied uniformly. The same Confederates would scream "bloody murder" if the Northerners did the same thing.

26 posted on 03/17/2011 12:40:11 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: LibFreeUSA

More ‘see Spot run’ diplomacy from the smartest woman in America.


27 posted on 03/17/2011 12:56:51 PM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: ScottinVA

I dunno, looks more like “prep the battlespace before mission start” to me. It’s logical - doesn’t mean I agree with the policy position. We’re stretched way too thin as it is.

Colonel, USAFR


28 posted on 03/17/2011 1:02:26 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Moose4
Hillary is sounding like Nathan Bedford Forrest:

War means fighting and fighting means killing.

29 posted on 03/17/2011 1:03:09 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Sub-Driver

NO


30 posted on 03/17/2011 1:05:00 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Sub-Driver
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!!!!

Bush's fault.


31 posted on 03/17/2011 1:25:09 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: DManA

Obama let his mouth write a check some poor GI’s ass is gonna hafta cash. He already said that Ghaddaffy Duck is gotta go, and that he was unacceptable. He’s more or less recognized the rebels, whomever they may be, as the legitimate government of Libya. Once Obama called on Gaddaffy to leave, his continuing survival is a defeat for the U.S. That’s the problem with being president, people take your words seriously.


32 posted on 03/17/2011 1:30:47 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: 2banana

Opportunist in Chief Clinton strikes again! Go back to what he said about Bush’s military actions. There is no logic to Clinton’s positions. You can’t even gauge them by whether a Democrat or Republican is taking the action. As always with him, its pure opportunism and positioning himself.


33 posted on 03/17/2011 2:32:05 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: TopQuark

Since when does international law allow for interference in a civil war that has not overflowed the national borders?

That was also true for the early stages of Vietnam. But the big part is that yes, these wars have their own differences.

As a matter of fact, Korea and Vietnam were both instances of Civil Wars in which we intervened. Granada and Somalia are also of a similar nature.

As far as international law goes, it doesn’t have all that great of a record for being followed.


34 posted on 03/17/2011 3:36:22 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: Sub-Driver

No fly-zone means bombing

Blow jobs don’t mean sex

Planet Bill is a crazy place.


35 posted on 03/17/2011 4:50:42 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Sub-Driver

Field Marshall Clinton? Will we bomb tanks, troop convoys pro government supply lines?


36 posted on 03/17/2011 5:32:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: Sub-Driver
NYT: "That support is likely to consist of much of what the United States already has in the region — Awacs radar planes to help with air traffic control should there be airstrikes, other surveillance aircraft and about 400 Marines aboard two amphibious assault ships in the region, the Kearsarge and the Ponce.The Americans could also provide signal-jamming aircraft in international airspace to muddle Libyan government communications with its military units." ..............i.e. U.S. participation, if any, will be from a safe distance.
37 posted on 03/17/2011 8:34:53 PM PDT by GAgal
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To: Sub-Driver

We really should not be getting involved in a country’s civil war. At least Vietnam was two countries fighting with North Vietnam wanting to take over the South. And even then liberals considered it a “civil war”. Well, this IS a civil war.


38 posted on 03/17/2011 10:13:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan (NHK Tokyo, Japan Live TV... http://bit.ly/idutY6)
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To: Moose4

They were close enough to force Lincoln’s hand & issue the Emancipation Proclamation after Antietam, which was directly intended to make any foreign government an apologist for slavery.

There were strong movements in Europe to send a mixed army to separate the sides and force arbitration.

Lincoln’s strategy worked very well in that regard.
Thank you for your post.


39 posted on 03/18/2011 6:02:09 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Sub-Driver

Thunder Thighs Warns?? She is always good for a laugh,should be on stage somewhere!


40 posted on 03/18/2011 6:07:53 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Sub-Driver

From 40,000 feet again?


41 posted on 03/18/2011 6:11:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Sub-Driver
In all seroiusnes...

Why is the Secretary of State leading this charge? Shouldn't the Secretary of Defense be more prominent here? And frankly...

The President himself should be out front explaining the goals and reasons behind his policy.

Once again, Obama is AWOL.

42 posted on 03/18/2011 7:00:41 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Morpheus2009

My impression was that in all instances you mentioned we intervened only after other foreign powers did so. Am I wrong?


43 posted on 03/18/2011 9:33:15 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

There’s a lot of specifics if you want to consider us after the other powers. However, in the Civil War portion of Vietnam (Vietnamese vs. Vietnamese) we were the lead to getting involved in Vietnam. There were revolts against the French in the late 1940s and up to 1954 when the French withdrew, but this was not a civil war because it was not Vietnamese killing each other, for the most part.


44 posted on 03/18/2011 9:56:32 AM PDT by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: TopQuark

That’s my question also who are these rebels.


45 posted on 03/18/2011 10:02:58 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Morpheus2009
we were the lead to getting involved in Vietnam.

Are you suggesting that we did so before the USSR?

46 posted on 03/18/2011 10:26:34 AM PDT by TopQuark
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