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Bombs away: UN airstrikes could begin tonight as Qaddafi’s troops near Benghazi
Hotair ^ | 03/17/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 03/17/2011 2:03:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

His air force is already bombing the outskirts of the city, but not for much longer. The Security Council’s expected to vote at 6 p.m. ET and the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter. At the same time, Qaddafi just delivered another insane stemwinder against the rebels on Libyan radio warning people in Benghazi that the army will be rolling into town tonight and that, if they don’t surrender, they’ll receive “no mercy.” Which means, unless someone blinks in the next few hours, that city will be a bona fide international war zone by the time America goes to bed tonight.

This is turning out to be some week.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, the deputy Libyan UN ambassador, warned that, “in the coming hours we will see a real genocide if the international community does not act quickly.”

Dabbashi, who defected early on from the Gaddafi regime, said “about five” Arab states were ready to help police the no-fly zone if it was adopted

Al Jazeera’s Bays in Tobruk said that people in the city said they were confident of winning against Gaddafi, but still needed international help.

“I can tell you that when you speak to the people here, they say they’re winning, they say they’re beating back Gaddafi. Then you ask them the question should the international community do more, and they say ‘Yes, we’re all going to die if they don’t help’. So very contradictory answers to those questions,” Bays reported on Thursday.

The regime’s threatening to retaliate by attacking air and sea traffic in the Mediterranean, which is unlikely in the near term with NATO overhead but more likely if Qaddafi brokers a deal to stay in power and inevitably returns to his old terrorist-y ways. (He’s worried enough about imminent airstrikes to have opted for radio over video today.) Meanwhile, I’m intrigued by those five Arab states who are allegedly ready to help “police” the NFZ. What does that mean, exactly? McClatchy reported earlier that only two were on board so momentum is building across the region to help make this happen, but in practical terms it means — what? Certainly use of local air bases; possibly also … Arab air forces joining NATO patrols?

As for which five states are involved, Tunisia and Egypt are obvious candidates since they’re adjacent, have revolutionary fever themselves, and want to maintain good relations with the west in the near term to keep the foreign aid flowing while they reorganize. The obvious risk is that if Qaddafi somehow remains in charge, then they have to live with him and wonder if he’s plotting revenge. That’s not a big concern for Egypt, which could crush him if need be, but little Tunisia may think twice. Assuming they’re both in, though, then who are the other three states? Given the current circumstances in the region, would the Saudis dare lend logistical support to dislodging an Arab dictator — even one they despise? Stay tuned.

Exit question: How’d the NATO powers get China and Russia to go along with a no-fly zone on the Security Council? Exit answer: In a way, they didn’t.

Update: According to one report, four of the five Arab countries involved are the UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and … Saudi Arabia. No word on the fifth. I guess Tunisia and Egypt don’t want to make the mad dog mad.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; bombing; gaddafi; jordan; libya; noflyzone; qatar; saudiarabia; uae; un
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1 posted on 03/17/2011 2:03:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Why the rush to war? Lybia had nothing to do with 9-11! Give sanctions a chance to work! No blood for oil!


2 posted on 03/17/2011 2:06:08 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: SeekAndFind

And coming up the rear is Obama’s golf cart.

But is it equipped with a teleprompter powerful enough to deal with this crisis?


3 posted on 03/17/2011 2:06:43 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: icwhatudo

Did I need a /s tag?


4 posted on 03/17/2011 2:06:43 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: SeekAndFind

A UN CF. This administration is completely insane.


5 posted on 03/17/2011 2:07:17 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Bombs away: UN airstrikes could begin tonight as Qaddafi’s troops near Benghazi”

Now THAT would surprise me. Of course, where would they launch from? Italy? And you have to have Wild Weasel missions first for SAM/AAA suppression.

Ban Ki Moon is probably more concerned about getting Libya back on the Human Rights Council.

The way the Middle East / North Africa is these days, it’s hard to predict just what will happen in a week’s time.

If you had told me in December that Mubarak would have been out of Egypt before March, I would never have believed it.


6 posted on 03/17/2011 2:08:16 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: icwhatudo

Genocide does not matter to you?


7 posted on 03/17/2011 2:09:22 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was wondering whether Russia or China would veto this.

But on second thought, since we now seem to heading into a gradualist, incrementalist mission creep in the quagmire of the quicksands of Libya.......they’re probably smiling at the prospect of another war for the USA.

Do the advocates of going to war against Qaddafi understand the concept of contagion......a war that spreads to Egypt....who by the way have refused the use of their airfields for this upcoming war?

And make no mistake, war it is. Most the liberals and conservatives advocating war seem to think a nofly zone will be an antiseptic affair.

Khadafy now has every incentive to widen the area of conflict.

We have no vital interest in Libya, I will repeat.


8 posted on 03/17/2011 2:09:28 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: icwhatudo

Genocide does not matter to you?


9 posted on 03/17/2011 2:09:28 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Republic

See #4. Apparently I did need one.


10 posted on 03/17/2011 2:10:45 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo

Sorry-I certainly did not interpret your comment correctly. Very slow<-——over here. :)


11 posted on 03/17/2011 2:12:52 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: SeekAndFind

War mongering Obama...

Will he have to give up his Nobel Peace prize?


12 posted on 03/17/2011 2:13:05 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: swarthyguy

Let’s hope it spreads to Russia. It would be well deserved, imo.


13 posted on 03/17/2011 2:14:50 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What is our exposure here. Is this just French and Italians bombing Libyans? Or are we going to be sending in aircraft.


14 posted on 03/17/2011 2:15:25 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Freddd

That was for “future Middle East peace” among other things.

His first phone call out of the WH (abroad) was to Abbas to promise to deliver on a Palestinian state.


15 posted on 03/17/2011 2:15:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Freddd
Nah-that is why he is waffling and depending on others to make it like NOT America's decision to get in their and stop this horrific slaughter that creep is engineering in Libya.

Uhbama is a coward.

Perhaps if there were a way to convince him that all of the rebels in Libya were UNION MEMBERS he would hop to. You know, actually take action. But that would also require a decision. And we all know uhbama only makes decisions when there is a benefit in it for himself.

He HOPES that the rest of the world will see America as he dreams it will become.

Weak.

Perhaps this is the one foreign policy so to speak that he is succeeding in bringing forth. An America on her knees (bending towards the east, of course).

16 posted on 03/17/2011 2:19:49 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Republic

oooops Fredd-—change my first line ‘their’ to ‘there’ in your head, ok? Just duh!


17 posted on 03/17/2011 2:21:10 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Republic

Uh, Bahrain should be our main concern now, not Libya.

The US Fleet is harbored there, the Shias of Iraq are agitating and the Saudis have actually sent in troops.

Iran is smiling as we obsess on Libya.

Strategic blinders are on.


18 posted on 03/17/2011 2:22:27 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know what to think. Obama came out today to make some comments on Japan and just like always he said, “Let me be clear . . “. I have been trying to figure out for over 2 years what Obama is trying to make clear. Does anyone know?


19 posted on 03/17/2011 2:22:30 PM PDT by hflynn
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To: GonzoGOP

The USA is NOT leading this charge ( I don’t think Obama is capable of leading ).

US has just finally begun considering a military strike against Moammar Gaddafi’s forces in Libya in an effort to save beleaguered rebel forces in Benghazi.

In other words, we’re “mulling” it.

If the US had decided from the beginning that military action was off the table, that would have been a defensible position to take. If the US wanted to impose a military solution to support the rebels, that also would have been defensible.

Had Barack Obama seized the moment to lead the West in either direction, at the very least we would have set an example and demonstrated some sort of principle, either Wilsonian defense against tyranny and oppression or a recognition of the international constraints of sovereignty.

The lack of leadership and the vacillation on whether to take military action is utterly indefensible, and this thirteenth-hour suggestion that we will now prepare to think about committing our military against Gaddafi after the game is almost over demonstrates nothing but weakness and incompetence.

At this point in time, if Obama ever makes a decision, he’d be following the UN’s lead.


20 posted on 03/17/2011 2:23:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How many planes and aircraft carriers does the UN have?

Has Congress authorized this??

Can impeachment hearings start in the morning??


21 posted on 03/17/2011 2:24:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: icwhatudo

RE: Why the rush to war? Lybia had nothing to do with 9-11!


Ahh but remember, Gaddafi still had something to do with Lockerbie and the German Disco bombing.

It’s taken years, but it’s payback time.


22 posted on 03/17/2011 2:25:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Once the no fly zone is established, then what?

Qadaffi now controls most of the country.

His ground forces have established superiority over the rebels.

Who will commit ground forces to help drive them back, or prevent the genocide?


23 posted on 03/17/2011 2:26:38 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (How much better off would we be if these bastards would just leave us alone?)
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To: Republic

People think Obama’s been quiet behind the scenes....I’m afraid to know what he’s actually been doing. If it ain’t good for America, he’s there.


24 posted on 03/17/2011 2:27:47 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: GonzoGOP

Any US involvement without Congressional Authority should mean impeachment hearings by morning


25 posted on 03/17/2011 2:27:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GonzoGOP
"What is our exposure here. Is this just French and Italians bombing Libyans? Or are we going to be sending in aircraft."

Well, the Italians have said they oppose military action and the Egyptians have said they will not participate. So, once again, why should the US be bombing Libya? If the Arab league wants to take action, they have plenty of planes and troops. NATO also failed to agree on a military course of action.

26 posted on 03/17/2011 2:27:55 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: swarthyguy
I was under the impression that with the Arabian tanks there now, things has settled down immensely.

People are being slaughtered in Libya. IS this going on in Bahrain, as well?

27 posted on 03/17/2011 2:28:16 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the US had decided from the beginning that military action was off the table, that would have been a defensible position to take. If the US wanted to impose a military solution to support the rebels, that also would have been defensible.

Exactly. When you are a leader you get to pick your fights. The thing that scares me about Obama is that he isn't leading, but isn't paying attention to where we are being lead either. I could just see France and Italy starting a shooting war, and then expecting us to furnish the troops. And Obama is so weak that it would never occur to him to tell them they were on their own. My worst nightmare is not war with Libya, but it is a war in which US troops are forced to fight under French or Saudi command. They will just throw us into the meat grinder of someone elses war and we will not even earn a mercenaries wadge.
28 posted on 03/17/2011 2:28:38 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Republic

lol


29 posted on 03/17/2011 2:28:42 PM PDT by Freddd
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To: Palmetto Patriot

The UN resolution doesn’t limit this to a no-fly zone.


30 posted on 03/17/2011 2:29:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind

“In other words, we’re “mulling” it.”

So in the street patois Obama uses when it suits him, he would be a “mullah”?


31 posted on 03/17/2011 2:29:23 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: GeronL

That was back when we had a Congress. When we had three co-equal branchs of Government with different balancing responsibilities. When we had citizens that had the intelligence to wipe their asses.


32 posted on 03/17/2011 2:31:14 PM PDT by sport
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To: Republic
Boohoo. Civil war means civilian casualties. Ever hear of the American Civil War? Do you know how many were killed, not to mentioned maimed in that war? There was genocide on both sides. Sorry that neither side in Libya have our "smart" weapons to minimize civilian casualties. It is what it is and I don't want one American life to be lost for what will eventually become a bigger threat.

What? You think the uprising in Libya or the other African/ME countries are fighting for a truly free self-determining republic or even a mob democracy? If so, you got blinders on, son. That whole area will become radicalized.

People die in war. As long as it's not our people, I'm tired of giving a shit about Africa. It's a cesspool and will always be so. It's a cultural/tribal thing.

Focus your efforts on Japan. A nation that learned their lesson and is one of the West's biggest allies, and have such self-restraint and honor that the World could learn from their tragedy. I don't give a shit about Africa, and apparently neither do they after all that the West has done for them. I'm over my care quota.

33 posted on 03/17/2011 2:31:14 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Khadafy sacrifices a military plane filled with civilians....

He can send helicopters against the rebels, we gonna shoot them down......

And when the seige of Benghazi begins, are we gonna bomb his troops.......

Why do I have the certainty that none of those charged with thinking these things through have done so.


34 posted on 03/17/2011 2:31:14 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Republic

>People are being slaughtered in Libya.

People were slaughtered in Darfur, the Congo, in Tibet in 08 by the Chinese, in Xinjiang also by the Chinese. We didn’t do anything.

Anyway, no one can rebut the assertion - The USA has no vital or strategic interest at stake in Libya.

However, Bahrain, Iraq and Saudi and the Gulf states are where we do.


35 posted on 03/17/2011 2:34:44 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: jagusafr

The Mulligan Mullah?


36 posted on 03/17/2011 2:36:41 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Republic

“Genocide does not matter to you?”

Genocide of our enemies??? Hell NO!


37 posted on 03/17/2011 2:37:08 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Republic

Not as long as its a bunch of Islamic whack jobs


38 posted on 03/17/2011 2:37:35 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: swarthyguy
"Why do I have the certainty that none of those charged with thinking these things through have done so."

Because they no longer do. It's all about expediency and politics and keeping a cushy job at the CIA, NSA, NSC, DOD et al, now. Historical context doesn't even figure into the equation anymore. Yes, there are plenty of hard-working low-level people monitoring things, but they have no say in how intel should be acted upon. It's been about international politics for years and not defense of our Nation.

39 posted on 03/17/2011 2:40:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
I hear you, my hsb feels the same way.

Me, well, I believe differently.

I know there are no guarantees on outcome, but I would rather have my money and my military fight the fight for freedom all over the world at times of crisis when the people under oppression make the first moves. I believe in this.

Of course my life is not on the line like our military's is. So my stance is not easily defendible.

But somehow freedom does not taste full when I know there are others suffering incredible brutality and fighting to be free of it.

America is great-and btw-over one hundred thousand troups were killed in the civil war-which was not a war against a tyrant-but a war about keeping the union together and abolishing slavery as a result.

40 posted on 03/17/2011 2:40:57 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Republic

What genocide in Libya.

Indiscriminate use of the word has cheapened it.

Libya is a civil war. Civilians tend to die in them. Since civilians do a lot of the fighting.

Ever wonder how quickly the Libyan rebels got arms and the ability to use them. Could Kadafi be correct about AQ in the midst of the fighters?


41 posted on 03/17/2011 2:41:49 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Republic

“People are being slaughtered in Libya. IS this going on in Bahrain, as well?”

One Time get this! The Government of Bahrain is OUR FRIEND! whatever they do to keep order and destroy Iranian terrorists is fine with me.


42 posted on 03/17/2011 2:42:24 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We took his wife and daughter. He did pay back. n/s


43 posted on 03/17/2011 2:42:42 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: Cheetahcat

I have a friend in Bahrain. A teacher. And I know we need to help them if the Saudi’s fail.


44 posted on 03/17/2011 2:46:43 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Republic

“I have a friend in Bahrain. A teacher. And I know we need to help them if the Saudi’s fail.”

I agree 100%


45 posted on 03/17/2011 2:47:48 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Republic

Exactly, save our powder for when we really need it instead of the Libyan sideshow.


46 posted on 03/17/2011 2:47:48 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Republic
"I know there are no guarantees on outcome, but I would rather have my money and my military fight the fight for freedom all over the world at times of crisis when the people under oppression make the first moves. I believe in this."

That is a prescription for endless war. What about Myanmar, Tibet, North Korea, Zimbabwe, etc. etc.

47 posted on 03/17/2011 2:50:32 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: samtheman
But is it equipped with a teleprompter powerful enough to deal with this crisis?

Evidently not. Obustme is gonna be whoopin' it up in Rio!

(Blame it on Rio).

48 posted on 03/17/2011 2:51:29 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: SeekAndFind

Agreed. See #4


49 posted on 03/17/2011 2:55:06 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Cheetahcat
Japan is our friend, too.

I am focused on Libya. ON the man who sent a passenger jet to the ground. A man Reagan used our military to retaliate against, once upon a time.

And right now, I am concerned about this terrorist who wails about AQ, something I find hilarious, when he himself is a terrorist.

But 'let them all eat cake'.

We differ in opinion. And when inept presidents send our military on missions unprepared and 'somalias' happen, I HATE IT. But none of us know, as in Iran, the true nature of the uprisers. But all of us know slaughter. And none of us are immune to the uprising of terrorism and knowledge of those who lead it. Omar is a leader. Which is exactly why he had the notice sent out that civilians will be targets if the sanctity of his nation is invaded by outside forces. Flip side-nothing new there. Just ask the families of the Lockerbie horror.

50 posted on 03/17/2011 2:57:23 PM PDT by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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