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Kucinich: President Needs Congressional Go-Ahead for Libya No-Fly Zone
1250 AM WTMA ^ | Friday, March 18, 2011 | ABC News Radio

Posted on 03/18/2011 9:20:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Rep. Dennis Kucinich is calling for the recessed Congress to come back into session after President Obama announced that the United States will support a United Nations-approved no-fly-zone over Libya.

Kucinich, an outspoken opponent to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, said in a statement that the president does not have the Constitutional power to unilaterally declare war and called on House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to immediately call the Congress back into session "to decide whether or not to authorize the United States' participation in a military strike."

"While the action is billed as protecting the civilians of Libya, a no-fly-zone begins with an attack on the air defenses of Libya and Qaddafi forces. It is an act of war. The president made statements which attempt to minimize U.S. action, but U.S. planes may drop U.S. bombs and U.S. missiles may be involved in striking another sovereign nation. War from the air is still war," Kucinich, D-Ohio, wrote in a letter to Congressional leaders Friday afternoon. "Whether the U.S. takes military action is not for the UN alone to decide. There is a constitutional imperative in the United States with respect to deciding to commit our U.S. armed forces to war."

"Both houses of Congress must weigh in," he added. "This is not for the President alone, or for a few high ranking Members of Congress to decide."

But the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., told ABC News Friday afternoon that he did not believe Congressional authorization is necessary for U.S. involvement, and credited the president for opening up a White House national security briefing Friday to Congressional leaders from both parties.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: charleston; kucinich; libya; southcarolina
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"This hearing insinuates that violence and the Muslim religion go hand in hand. Nothing could be further from the truth. Islam is a religion based upon peace, goodwill and the ethical treatment of all people on this planet."

Islam Is a Religion of Peace, Goodwill and Ethical Treatment of all People

1 posted on 03/18/2011 9:20:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

2 posted on 03/18/2011 9:22:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I agree with him. If American blood and treasure is to be spent, let congress, assembled, declare it war. It's only Constitutional.

/johnny

3 posted on 03/18/2011 9:26:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv
Kucinich, an outspoken opponent to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, said in a statement that the president does not have the Constitutional power to unilaterally declare war

I give him credit for standing up for what he believes in and not playing politics. (Notice that I carefully crafted my words in such a way as to not type Kucinich, a word I refuse to type or utter. .... darn it!).

4 posted on 03/18/2011 9:26:51 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: SunkenCiv

No need: 1986: US launched air strikes on Libya-
Just an encore performance


5 posted on 03/18/2011 9:27:41 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: SunkenCiv

[”Both houses of Congress must weigh in,” he added.]

The midget from Ohio weighs in at 105 pounds.


6 posted on 03/18/2011 9:28:19 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

He’s right!


7 posted on 03/18/2011 9:28:27 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: SunkenCiv

He’s right, again.


8 posted on 03/18/2011 9:29:52 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: SunkenCiv
Dick Lugar agrees.
9 posted on 03/18/2011 9:30:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: SunkenCiv

No point, there won’t be any military strikes regardless of what Congress does.


10 posted on 03/18/2011 9:31:37 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kucinich, Ohio’s idiot child. The Biden of Ohio.


11 posted on 03/18/2011 9:32:29 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: eclecticEel

Why?


12 posted on 03/18/2011 9:33:42 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: doc1019

Proof positive that the Constitution need not require a genius to understand....


13 posted on 03/18/2011 9:33:54 PM PDT by robertwalker62
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To: doc1019

True enough, but Kooky Congressman K will be doing us a service if he rouses Obamalini’s moonbat base to turn on Obamalini.


14 posted on 03/18/2011 9:36:49 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: JRandomFreeper
Obama probably could try and squeeze authority under the War Powers Resolution.

60 days s\b enough time to settle down Libya
By the time congress & WH quit squabbling, it will be longer than 60 days anyway.

15 posted on 03/18/2011 9:45:22 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: SunkenCiv

Sun

Support = US go do it. Gosh, what a prop.

Thanks for the post, R.


16 posted on 03/18/2011 9:47:11 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: SunkenCiv

Marxist Barry could care less about anything constitutional.

Obama only makes tough decisions on his NCAA picks.

Try this one out to see how low this country's president has acquiesced:

Zer0's NCAA picks audio mixed with world news reports--

Barry must be thrilled. Time for some hoops. Time for some ice cream. Time for a swim. Up yours America.

There's so much to hammer with this administration.

With record unemployment, an unfathomable budget deficit, and $4 gallon gas, Zer0's a sitting duck. Jimmy Carter all over again.

Time to step up Republicans!

obama's NCAA picks audio

Barack ''Jackwagon'' Hussein: A National Embarrassment - click for audio


17 posted on 03/18/2011 9:48:40 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: mlocher; SunkenCiv

I'll give him one thing, he has good taste in women.

18 posted on 03/18/2011 9:50:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: SunkenCiv

Been along time since congress officially declared war. I’m curious if those that say there is no requirement for congressional approval also believe there is no requirement for placing US forces under UN direction?


19 posted on 03/18/2011 9:53:14 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: doc1019

d10

Ifn Biden had Kucinich quality, 0’s 2nd term would be a Biden admin. Ill take all you markers at 50/1 on that.

R.


20 posted on 03/18/2011 9:53:50 PM PDT by Rabin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only thing is, she’s probably crazier than he is...


21 posted on 03/18/2011 10:12:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

She comes from a socialist backgound in the UK, IIRC.


22 posted on 03/18/2011 10:16:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: SunkenCiv

This politician is right. Ron Paul also noted how the President can not declare war. The Constitution states the only Congress has the power to declare war.


23 posted on 03/18/2011 10:34:15 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: JRandomFreeper

Give Obama something the Democrats never gave Bush, a full declaration of war!


24 posted on 03/18/2011 10:35:22 PM PDT by dila813
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To: SunkenCiv

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...


25 posted on 03/18/2011 10:40:15 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

Nobody pays any attention to the Constitution. The politicians stick their fingers in the wind and do what they think will gain them the most support.


26 posted on 03/18/2011 10:41:56 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: SunkenCiv

Of course it is true that only Congress can declare war. But the present can order military action without the consent of Congress for a limited period of time as authorized by the War Powers act.


27 posted on 03/18/2011 10:53:44 PM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: SunkenCiv

He can do anything he wants for 60 days and must return a report back to Congress on the status, goals and required monies to continue aggression.

Just don’t fund it.

I say leave Qaddahfi there for now. We have no idea what he is going to be with and we got plenty of other countries that are already in that situation.


28 posted on 03/18/2011 10:59:08 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: bunkerhill7
No need: 1986: US launched air strikes on Libya- Just an encore performance

Wasn't that like retaliation?

29 posted on 03/18/2011 11:20:49 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: SunkenCiv

Another useful idiot providing cover from the left.


30 posted on 03/18/2011 11:25:23 PM PDT by karnage
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To: navyblue
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat.
31 posted on 03/18/2011 11:33:19 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: stylin19a
USE TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 33 (WAR POWERS RESOLUTION )

§ 1541. Purpose and policy
(a) Congressional declaration

It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

32 posted on 03/18/2011 11:38:53 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate; Sunsong

It looks like the War Powers Resolution of 1973 doesn’t apply in this case.


33 posted on 03/18/2011 11:50:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm declaring a no-fly zone. I don't want no stinking flies!

34 posted on 03/19/2011 12:47:57 AM PDT by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: navyblue; All
The last formal Declaration of War by the United States, under the specifications provided for by the US Constitution: June 5, 1942, against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.

[FYI - Korea was called a UN Police Action and not a war.]

35 posted on 03/19/2011 2:04:03 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea

Though no official declaration of war, congress authorized Afghanistan, both Iraq wars and the Vietnam War. There were plenty of congressional votes, and money authorizations, for all those wars. And then there is the War Powers Resolution.

Obama has his 60 + 30 days.

I think we’re wrong to get involved in Libya but Obama is certainly within the scope of past presidential precedents (forgetting for the moment that he’s not legally the president).


36 posted on 03/19/2011 2:36:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: JRandomFreeper

And I agree with you, tired of see amercans get killed. We have a full plate and mountains of debt..


37 posted on 03/19/2011 2:41:17 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; BlindedByTruth; ...

Ohio Pings!

To be added to the Ohio Ping List, please freepmail (works best),
LasVegasDave.

38 posted on 03/19/2011 3:00:19 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And,,,,, she has a tongue stud! Excellent taste in women!


39 posted on 03/19/2011 3:08:24 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Was he on the Triv Show yesterday? I thought he was gonna be, but I got busy and forgot to listen.


40 posted on 03/19/2011 3:09:30 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Here is the illustrious Senator Graham: “They have my authorization. You can’t have 535 commander in chiefs,” Graham said. “I would like to have a vote in the floor when we get back saying they did the right thing. But that shouldn’t restrict the president from taking timely action.”

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/17/inside_classified_hill_briefing_administration_spells_out_war_plan_for_libya Kucinich is right... Congress should be deciding this, not Obama.


41 posted on 03/19/2011 4:00:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeppers.The Obama dont have to follow any US law. He is the “Chosen” and therefore exempt from all man made laws.


42 posted on 03/19/2011 4:03:31 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“I agree with him. If American blood and treasure is to be spent, let congress, assembled, declare it war. It’s only Constitutional.”
/johnny

I’m with you Johnny.


43 posted on 03/19/2011 4:05:45 AM PDT by mmanager
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t it more like his women have good taste for money and fame? He is just the ends to a means.


44 posted on 03/19/2011 4:21:46 AM PDT by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: SunkenCiv
War is an act of the People (acting through their representatives in Congress assembled).

The construction of a Presidency whose occupant can act in the name of the People, or on behalf of the People (as if he embodied their sovereignty) has been a disaster.

Of course military action in Libya (or Serbia, or Iraq, or Vietnam) requires action by Congress.

45 posted on 03/19/2011 4:31:58 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I'd crawl over broken glass for her. Alea iacta est.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I live in his District. And while there are many things I disagree with him about...you always know where he stands on stuff. As kooky as he can be at times...he leaves you no doubts on most matters. I’ve written to him on numerous occasions and always get a response. Which more than can be said for GOPers. And I always work against him getting elected, but in some ways he does have my respect.

In this matter, even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. I happen to agree with him. I think if 0bama moves and orders action in Libya...0bama isn’t going to know how to extricate our troops later. Especially when the time comes for Congress to get involved under the WPA. 0bama is roping us into something that is Libya’s own civil war.

Is it any of our business the Gaddafi doesn’t concern himself with collateral damage? Most islamic countries don’t worry about collateral damage unless it is committed by an infidel. Are these rebels fighting for liberty or for an islamic caliphate?

Care and due diligence is needed...and 0bama should not be allowed to make this decision in the vacuum of the White House right now. If Kucinich can slow 0bama down on this it is a good thing.


46 posted on 03/19/2011 4:44:57 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, But what does that say for the woman’s taste in men.

Not many women want to make love to a dwarf.


47 posted on 03/19/2011 5:10:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Was he on the Triv Show yesterday?

It was advertised as such, but I will not waste valuable time listening to nut-job Dennis Kucinich(D).

Besides (IMO) he is looking for free campaign advertising time...

48 posted on 03/19/2011 5:29:25 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Ronald Reagan)
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To: SunkenCiv

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49 posted on 03/19/2011 6:23:13 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: SunkenCiv
President Needs Congressional Go-Ahead for Libya No-Fly Zone

Why, Dennis? You guys don't usually have a problem with him doing whatever he wants to do.

50 posted on 03/19/2011 6:33:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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