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Ammo Clip, Gun Dealer Bills Dead(MD)
eldersburg.patch.com ^ | 18 March, 2011 | David Saleh Rauf

Posted on 03/19/2011 7:18:28 AM PDT by marktwain

ANNAPOLIS - Gun-rights advocates can rest easy after a House panel this week killed some of the most controversial firearms proposals facing the General Assembly.

The House Judiciary Committee overwhelmingly voted to squash a pair of identical bills that sought to cut in half the number of bullets a detachable magazine can carry. The panel also voted down a bill that would have given state police broad authority to regulate gun dealers.

Of all the firearms bills being debated this session, the ammunition clip and gun-dealer proposals drew some of the strongest ire from Second Amendment groups.

The House committee's vote to bury the gun bills came as a key lawmaker secured passage of the Senate version of the gun-dealer proposal.

Sen. Brian Frosh, a Montgomery Democrat and an ardent gun-control proponent, successfully shepherded the bill to narrow passage this week in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee. It marked the first time in several years that Frosh has been able to advance a gun-control measure out of the committee he chairs.

Frosh also was hopeful that the makeup of his committee, which has four new members, would help to move forward the Senate version of the ammunition clip bill, which he sponsored.

Those plans are all but dashed because of the House committee's action to kill the cross-filed versions of the bills.

"I'll bring them back next year," Frosh said.

Frosh is one of a handful of lawmakers who supported legislation this session to limit the size of ammunition clips to hold no more than 10 rounds. State law currently allows ammunition magazines to hold up to 20 rounds.

The bills, which mirror a federal effort to ban high-capacity ammunition clips, were fashioned in direct response to the January shooting rampage that injured Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed six others.

Opponents labeled the ammo clip bills as an attempt to exploit a tragedy.

"A knee-jerk reaction," Delegate Michael McDermott, a Worcester Republican and a member of the House Judiciary, said of the bills."This is how some of the worst legislation gets crafted."

The ammo clip bills died on 17-2 votes.

The House Judiciary rejected the gun dealer bill by a 16-3 vote.

That bill would have required gun dealers to maintain sales records for all firearms and would have given state police more authority to inspect such records in an attempt to better trace firearms. The bill also would have given state police more power over who gets licensed to sell guns.

The bill's sponsor, Delegate Tom Hucker, D-Montgomery, called the measure a "common sense" proposal that should have been received better by the committee.

"It didn't seek to limit anyone's individual gun rights," Hucker said."It sought to address the problem of irresponsible gun dealers."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: ban; banglist; magazine; md
Interesting that in liberal dominated Maryland, the powers that be could not get this magazine limit passed.
1 posted on 03/19/2011 7:18:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
This is a clip:



This is a magazine:



2 posted on 03/19/2011 7:22:22 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Travis McGee; B4Ranch
That case of signed “Castigo Cay” books is going to fill some blank spots on my Christmas shopping list. You might as well send them to me when they become available, Matt, and we can simply have B4Ranch determine if I have to pay for them or not at the end of the year.
3 posted on 03/19/2011 7:23:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I think this (and the gay marriage bill also dying in MD) is evidence that self-described liberals (not necessarily including lib elected officials) are more conservative than they think they are as a whole.


4 posted on 03/19/2011 7:28:13 AM PDT by RockinRight (I once had my identity stolen. Once they got to know me, they gave it back right away.)
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To: marktwain

It’s not looking good for my hypothesis.


5 posted on 03/19/2011 7:30:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
The bill's sponsor, Delegate Tom Hucker, D-Montgomery, called the measure a "common sense" proposal that should have been received better by the committee. "It didn't seek to limit anyone's individual gun rights," Hucker said."It sought to address the problem of irresponsible gun dealers."

No, Tom Huckster, D-Montgomery, the common sense proposal would be to rid the legislature of nanny state proponents such as you. It would address the problem of having irresponsible, knee-jerk legislators in positions of power in the government.

6 posted on 03/19/2011 7:49:46 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Zeppo

Is this for Maryland? Or is this US House???


7 posted on 03/19/2011 7:52:17 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

Just Maryland... But I doubt that a House bill attacking gun rights (HR 308 IIRC) will go far this session...


8 posted on 03/19/2011 8:01:00 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Beckwith

...and those are cartridges (rounds) in the magazine, not bullets.


9 posted on 03/19/2011 8:02:25 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: marktwain
"I'll bring them back next year," Frosh said

What a useless toad

10 posted on 03/19/2011 8:04:14 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Zeppo

“Just Maryland... But I doubt that a House bill attacking gun rights (HR 308 IIRC) will go far this session...”

No but Obama is attacking the second amendment with a back door effort by the BATFE and Eric Holder. If you look closely you will notice a lot if things have disappeared from the market. The news is filled with stories of American guns showing up in the hands of drug cartels in Mexico, etc. etc.

If we are going to protect our second amendment rights we as well as the NRA and other pro second amendment groups had better start going after the BATFE. It makes little sense to win legislatively if this rogue agency can simply interpret the law to mean anything they want. The BATFE has a very clear anti second amendment agenda and is an absolutely rotten to the core.


11 posted on 03/19/2011 8:13:55 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Beckwith
You beat me to it. Clip=a device that holds ammo together for the purpose of loading the ammo into a magazine. I.E. the 8 round clip of the Garand and the 5 round stripper clips used by the Springfield, other bolt guns and some full auto weapons.

Magazine = a device,sometimes integral with the gun, most times a separate device, that holds the ammo while in the firearm and allows the gun to feed the ammo into the chamber.

12 posted on 03/19/2011 8:22:50 AM PDT by calex59
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To: marktwain
"It didn't seek to limit anyone's individual gun rights," Hucker said."It sought to address the problem of irresponsible gun dealers."

Limiting the number of rounds a person can carry in their firearms and limiting the number of dealers through state control, IS LIMITING PEOPLE'S GUN RIGHTS YOU FRICKIN' IDIOT!

13 posted on 03/19/2011 8:25:05 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Beckwith
This is a clip

Well, almost That is a Garand en bloc clip..... I have dozens.....

14 posted on 03/19/2011 8:27:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Travis McGee
“It’s not looking good for my hypothesis.”

Sounds like a “win-win” to me. I think the gunwalker scandal has something to do with it. It is gaining some traction, and might be part of the Administrations lack of fervor on the whole civilian disarmament front.

15 posted on 03/19/2011 8:33:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: calex59
“It didn't seek to limit anyone’s individual gun rights,” Hucker said.”It sought to address the problem of irresponsible gun dealers.”

Limiting the number of rounds a person can carry in their firearms and limiting the number of dealers through state control, IS LIMITING PEOPLE'S GUN RIGHTS YOU FRICKIN’ IDIOT!


Liberals live in a universe where words do not mean anything, or, as in Alice in Wonderland, “words mean exactly what I want them to mean”

They think that by saying something is so, it becomes so, because they are not constrained by the rules of logic or by reality.

I believe that they have come to this belief because their insanity has been concealed and fostered by the MSM for so many decades.

16 posted on 03/19/2011 9:02:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: precisionshootist
This is why the BATF and E MUST BE DE-FUNDED. MUST BE. Call your Representative in the House and tell them!!!

DE-FUND!!!

17 posted on 03/19/2011 12:10:59 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Beckwith
To 95% of the people in our world, when you ask, "What is a magazine?" They will reply, "Soft paper books, usually published monthly with articles about fashion, beauty, hair, makeup, diet, health, sex, politics, business, environment, tech, culture, world, and health ideas, news, and trends, etc. They have ads and pictures in them. They are found in drug stores, supermarkets and at your doctors office. Such as Science Magazine, Daily News, Science Signaling, Science Translational Medicine, SAGE KE, Science Careers, etc.

I read the article and took note that the author uses both terms clip and magazine in commonly accepted ways. >>Frosh is one of a handful of lawmakers who supported legislation this session to limit the size of ammunition clips to hold no more than 10 rounds. State law currently allows ammunition magazines to hold up to 20 rounds.<< So, if you think someone is a dumb asshole for not using the "correct" terminology, in your opinion, go right ahead. You are merely anchoring my and perhaps a few others, opinion of you a little more firmly.

18 posted on 03/19/2011 12:33:00 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Travis McGee; marktwain; All

>>It’s not looking good for my hypothesis.<<

I, Travis McGee, claim that federal legislation prohibiting the sale or possession of detachable magazines of over 10 rounds will not be passed by both senate and the house of representatives and signed into law by 1 December, 2011.


19 posted on 03/19/2011 12:44:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Travis McGee

Matt,

My daughter has a kindle, and loves it. Have you looked into the possibility of them carrying your books?


20 posted on 03/19/2011 2:46:43 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

EFAD is on Kindle, I’m looking at putting the other books onto it after I see how EFAD sales are affected by e-book sales.


21 posted on 03/19/2011 4:45:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


22 posted on 03/19/2011 5:30:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Gaffer

I bow to the superior wisdom.

I loved that rifle.


23 posted on 03/20/2011 5:02:40 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

I love it too...I’ve restored 2 of them and built up another two from piece parts.....In my opinion, best war-weapon ever made for the soldiers if you consider a widely issued battle weapon and not a limited issue.....


24 posted on 03/20/2011 10:37:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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