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A Principle-Based Approach to Immigration {Mormon Church Statement}
Mormon Times ^ | March 17, 2011 | Public Affairs Staff

Posted on 03/19/2011 9:26:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

A recent article in the Salt Lake Tribune highlighted the fact that the Church’s Presiding Bishop, H. David Burton, attended the signing of a comprehensive set of immigration reform bills passed by the Utah legislature. The article said: “One thing is clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has abandoned its claims to neutrality on these bills.”

This needs a clarification.

While the Church does not endorse or oppose specific political parties, candidates or platforms, it has always reserved the right to address, in a nonpartisan way, issues that have significant community or moral consequences. Immigration is such an issue.

Before the 2011 Utah legislative session began, the Church announced its support for the Utah Compact . Our hope was that lawmakers would find solutions that encompassed principles important to Mormons and other people of goodwill:

Our focus during the legislative session was to encourage laws that incorporated these principles. The Church did not dictate what kinds of bills should be proposed. Like many others on Capitol Hill, Church officials voiced their views and trusted the state’s elected officials to do their job. We consider the comprehensive package passed by lawmakers to be a responsible approach to a very complicated issue. Bishop Burton was invited, along with other community leaders, to witness the signing of a series of immigration bills by Utah Governor Gary Herbert and to show support for the diligent efforts of lawmakers in this area.

We expect that our country will continue to struggle with this complicated issue, which the federal government will have to address. Our hope is that good people everywhere will strive for principle-based solutions that balance the rule of law with the need for compassion.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: huntsman; illegals; immigration; lds; mormonlibs; rinos; romney; theocracy; utah
From the article: "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation’s laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

Mormon Article of Faith #12: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

Especially when we can use the church's influence to affect the law.

1 posted on 03/19/2011 9:26:50 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

The Utah Compact sounds full of Bush-era “compassionate conservatism” rhetoric (= pro-Shamnesty).

2 posted on 03/19/2011 9:32:37 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m not getting from the article what effect they had/intended.

Everyone wants to influence the law.

3 posted on 03/19/2011 9:33:41 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: greyfoxx39

Will the Mormons allow Spanish to spoken on the new planets they’re making?

4 posted on 03/19/2011 9:34:20 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: greyfoxx39

What would Jesus do?

5 posted on 03/19/2011 9:36:52 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: DTogo
The Utah Compact referred to in the article:

Official text of Utah Compact declaration on immigration reform

Published: Friday, Nov. 12, 2010 11:00 a.m. MST
 A declaration of five principles to guide Utah's immigration discussion

FEDERAL SOLUTIONS: Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S. government and other countries — not Utah and other countries. We urge Utah's congressional delegation, and others, to lead efforts to strengthen federal laws and protect our national borders. We urge state leaders to adopt reasonable policies addressing immigrants in Utah.

LAW ENFORCEMENT: We respect the rule of law and support law enforcement's professional judgment and discretion. Local law enforcement resources should focus on criminal activities, not civil violations of federal code.

FAMILIES: Strong families are the foundation of successful communities. We oppose policies that unnecessarily separate families. We champion policies that support families and improve the health, education and well-being of all Utah children.

ECONOMY: Utah is best served by a free-market philosophy that maximizes individual freedom and opportunity. We acknowledge the economic role immigrants play as workers and taxpayers. Utah's immigration policies must reaffirm our global reputation as a welcoming and business-friendly state.

A FREE SOCIETY: Immigrants are integrated into communities across Utah. We must adopt a humane approach to this reality, reflecting our unique culture, history and spirit of inclusion. The way we treat immigrants will say more about us as a free society and less about our immigrant neighbors. Utah should always be a place that welcomes people of goodwill.

6 posted on 03/19/2011 9:40:54 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: kbennkc

I also think it is very important that families stay minor kids should always be deported with their parents. Millions and millions of people live in the country of origins with their children. There should be no immorality in deporting them back there. They can then wait their turn to legal residency.

7 posted on 03/19/2011 9:43:00 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: greyfoxx39

•We recognize an ever-present need to strengthen families. Families are meant to be together. Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society.

Good. Deport the whole fam damily!

8 posted on 03/19/2011 9:44:10 AM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 30 lbs in 4 weeks)
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To: greyfoxx39
Link to Utah Compact Above
9 posted on 03/19/2011 9:44:24 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: greyfoxx39

Now we know what will happen if Romney were to get into the White House.

10 posted on 03/19/2011 9:48:22 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: DTogo
Exactly. RINOS see illegals as cheap labor and a payoff for their buddies in corporate America, Demorats see illegals as an addition to another reliable voting block the Hispanics. The rest of us can deal with the financial and cultural consequences. We have more than enough people here to perform any jobs . I seriously doubt the need for any immigration whatsoever. Illegals certainly merit zero consideration. They are invaders who are still mostly unarmed.
11 posted on 03/19/2011 9:48:28 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: greyfoxx39

We follow Jesus Christ by loving our neighbors. The Savior taught that the meaning of “neighbor” includes all of God’s children, in all places, at all times.


Theres the

Mountain meadows Massacre

Circleville Massacre

Bear River Massacre

Several neighbors murdered at the order of mormon Joey Smith

1,000+ neighbors murdered at the order of mormon Briggie Young

The neighbors murdered by mormon Bill Hickman

The neighbors murdered by mormon Porter Rockwell

Neighbors all

But not treated like neighbors under this mormon doctrine

But that other mormon doctrine..

12 posted on 03/19/2011 9:57:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

Are we loving our neighbors when we let them trample on our yard and steal from our cupboard?

13 posted on 03/19/2011 9:58:36 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ah, more incontestable equivocation from a religion on the issue of illegal immigrants...

14 posted on 03/19/2011 10:00:57 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: GeronL

Right on! Mormons are spending mountains of resources both monetary and human in their missionary work in Latin America, just like they have in Polynesia. They want to bring their new “converts” here. My maternal grandparents home in Provo, Utah now has five (5) Hispanic families living in it. The Mormon Church, like their Catholic “buddies” don’t give to hoots in hell about this nation’s immigration laws, it’s all about membership and the money new members represent.

15 posted on 03/19/2011 10:06:19 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: greyfoxx39

This really cranks my jaw. I live in Utah and this is NOT the will of everyday people. Not that I can speak for the Mormonbots.

16 posted on 03/19/2011 10:12:29 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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To: dragonblustar
Safe to say that Romney would NOT be "anti-illegal-immigration".

One factor that seems to be influencing the change of stance from the mormon church;

Between 1976 and 1981, there was also a net flow of migrants into Utah. It appears that Utah, as the center of LDS culture, still has some power to draw migrants from other areas. There is virtually no information on migration patterns of Latter-day Saints outside of the United States.

Note the areas of growth

"Still, LDS authorities defend their political neutrality and policies.


It's a balancing act for LDS authorities, given that many of the main opponents of undocumented immigrants also happen to be Mormon.

From that perspective, undocumented immigrants are violating church principles, especially the 12th Article of Faith, which says members believe in "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

"If they're undocumented, they are not legal," says state Sen. Scott Jenkins, R-Plain City, a former LDS missionary. "If they are working, they are using another person's Social Security number. It is wrong."


"We're not agents of the immigration service, and we don't pretend to be, "apostle Jeffrey R. Holland, "and we also won't break the law."

To that end, the church sends missionaries among undocumented immigrants, baptizing many of them without ever asking about their status. It also allows them to go to the temple and on missions.

"The blessings of the [LDS] Church are available to anyone who qualifies for and accepts the gospel of Jesus Christ," LDS spokesman Scott Trotter says. "Federal law allows undocumented persons to provide volunteer church service, including missionary service, within the United States."

LDS missionaries: Undocumented immigrants walk fine line when spreading their faith

17 posted on 03/19/2011 10:17:24 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: greyfoxx39
This is just more proof!

18 posted on 03/19/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: Grunthor
This total nonsense of "separating parents from their children (or vice versa) is total pro-open borders controlling the language.

Insinuating that the U.S. would ever hold hostage of babies or children of foreign nationals (whether or not illegal aliens) hostage to prevent them from leaving the U.S. is totally absurd.

It is also a crime and no person or group who demand that the U.S. government (no matter who is President) defend our border and our land have ever proposed or demanded that the children or babies be kept from their parents who are being deported.

These are all liberal lies and must be exposed as such.

The La Raza and other groups demanding "rights" for illegal aliens, put forth these lies with the help of the MSM and other supporters of total and complete amnesty (including ALL of the Democratic Party, MSM, former Presidents: Bush (41); Clinton; Bush (43) and now Obama!

Any candidate for U.S. President (or those for the House and Senate) in 2012, who do not demand closed borders and enforcing U.S. Federal laws that prohibit companies from employing illegals and all social programs, that are being given to illegal aliens cease immediately and punish those Civil Servants that have participated in such illegal acts.

The TEA Party must insist through it's recognized strength across this country and its strength without being compromised by supporting any candidate or party that goes against the rights of the people.

These are not merely civil rights for all U.S. citizens but also moral rights that recognize that taxing citizens to support citizens in any other country in this country is immoral!

19 posted on 03/19/2011 10:29:56 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: greyfoxx39

Americans are sovereign citizens,not subjects.

When any church supports the “rights” of criminals, that church should be considered a criminal enterprise. Remember, the discussion is about the LDS leader supporting legislation rewarding the presence of criminals.

After all is said and done, an illegal immigrant is a criminal.

As such, anything said criminal has come into possession of while in the USA is criminally obtained, and should be therefore be forfeit.

I suggest a law giving to the person who arrests (and brings to a deportation holding center) an illegal alien should be allowed to take possession of said illegal alien’s possession located in America.

Church trolling for members amongst criminals makes criminals of said church.

20 posted on 03/19/2011 10:34:24 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

“Americans are sovereign citizens,not subjects.

Supreme Court ain’t buying it...

“Variations of the argument that an individual is “sovereign” have been rejected by the courts, especially in tax cases such as: United States v. Hart,[6] Risner v. Commissioner,[7] Maxwell v. Snow,[8] Rowe v. Internal Revenue Serv.,[9] Heitman v. Idaho State Tax Commission,[10] Cobin v. Commissioner,[11] and Glavin v. United States.[12] The Internal Revenue Service has included “free born” or “sovereign” citizenship in its list of frivolous claims that may result in a $5000 penalty when used as the basis for an inaccurate tax return.[13]”

21 posted on 03/19/2011 11:03:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (.)
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To: raybbr
incontestable equivocation

Great phrase!

22 posted on 03/19/2011 11:15:02 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: greyfoxx39

The SLC mormons use low paid illegal aliens to build their 4 BILLION dollar magic mall...

Carpenters protest outside City Creek Construction

23 posted on 03/19/2011 11:57:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Carpenters protest outside City Creek Construction

"Members of the Southwest Regional Council of Carpenters protested at the worker access area near 200 South and Main Downtown. The union says local dry wall company KENCO pays low wages, does not offer health care and employs people not legal to work in the state."

  Kenco Drywall Inc.
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24 posted on 03/19/2011 12:28:32 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Bill Hickman and Porter Rockwell there are two names you don't see very often. Both Danites, American born and bred terrorists. Please post more on these fascinating and by the LDS deliberately forgotten men of American history.
25 posted on 03/19/2011 1:09:43 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: kbennkc
More what would Joseph Smith or Brigham Young do?

Considering....that old crazy racist talk they did..back in the day.

26 posted on 03/19/2011 6:22:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: greyfoxx39
Local law enforcement resources should focus on criminal activities, not civil violations of federal code.

I think that SNEAKING into another country, UNLAWFULLY, just might fall into this category; do YOU?

27 posted on 03/19/2011 7:40:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

28 posted on 03/19/2011 7:42:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Osage Orange
Considering....that old crazy racist talk they did..back in the day.

Surely NOT!!

Not the loving MORMONs!!!


"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'


August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

29 posted on 03/19/2011 7:49:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

I can see Kolob from my house.

30 posted on 03/19/2011 7:52:31 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: Elsie
You racist!

You liar!

You bigot!

How dare you post the actual words of dear mormon leaders!

Bass turd!

31 posted on 03/20/2011 6:14:49 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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