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Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (What about Libya?)
The White House ^ | October 16, 2002 | United States Congress

Posted on 03/19/2011 5:20:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: hoosierham
My friend, I'm not even sure how to answer you. One of the Presidents "enumerated powers" is to command the military. Projecting power is something that is solely in his domain. Now you may be a libertarian (an I'm pretty libertarian in most things too) but your understanding of the use of military power is pretty shallow. When the President moves the 5th fleet off the coast of Lybia does that mean he needs an act of war?

When he sends special forces into a country to rescue Americans does he need an act of war? If he declares a blockade around Cuba to prevent nuclear weapons from being placed there does he need an act of war? Those are examples of using our military power to forward our interests. There are many things the military can do aside from killing "innocent" people.

The President projects military force as he thinks is in our best interests. That IS CONSTITUTIONAL. Now at some point he is waging war and that requires a Declaration of war. The question is where does that start.

61 posted on 03/20/2011 2:35:23 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: ratsreek

Actually, I was just spelling Libya wrong. Forgive me. I have a BS in Finance, an MBA, and a Law degree but I still misspell things. Fortunately I have guys like you on staff who keep me straight!


62 posted on 03/20/2011 2:37:03 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: politicalmerc

In that case, perhaps you should make one or more of those staffers a partner.


63 posted on 03/20/2011 2:40:28 PM PDT by ratsreek
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To: ratsreek
I envy you that experience. RWR is one step below God in our household.

You aren't the only one my friend. Reagan has been my hero since I was a teen. I still have mementos hanging on my wall. I was only 19, I didn't have a lot to do with him personally, I had breakfast with him and Nancy once. I crawled around Central America fighting commies, delivering weapons, and other such things you probably wouldn't believe.

I'm from NC so Jessie Helms was a staple. I first met him when I was 13 and worked on his campaign. I was sitting in his office on that faithful day asking him to come out and speak to 500 students I had demonstrating on the Senate steps for the $50 million humanitarian aid bill for the Contras. He never made it. :-)

64 posted on 03/20/2011 2:43:26 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: ratsreek
In that case, perhaps you should make one or more of those staffers a partner.

My executive assistant is more important than my partner! Its important to know what you are good at an more so what you are not good at. Spelling isn't my thing, unfortunately! It's hard when you can write on a doctoral level but need a spell check to do so. God gives us all flaws to keep us humble. My thorn in the flesh is spelling. I'm embarrassed when I spell something like Libya wrong but it's good for me to get called down! Thank you

65 posted on 03/20/2011 2:47:34 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: katiedidit1
where is Cindy Sheehan?

At least she's being consistent:

Cindy Sheehan: ‘Barack-A-Lujah! I Have Seen The Light!’

66 posted on 03/20/2011 2:52:09 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: politicalmerc

We will soon be neighbors, sort of. My hubby and I are moving to (rural) eastern TN soon. We are abandoning the once-magnificent Golden State. I was just a sprout when RWR was our great governor, but those were indeed golden days. Smokey Mountains/Blue Ridge here we come. We will do our part to keep TN bright, American red. :)

I’d be interested to hear some of your Helms and RWR stories. I adored Helms.....hehehehe. He was one really sharp dude.

p.s. I think you meant “fateful”, not “faithful.” ;)


67 posted on 03/20/2011 3:13:00 PM PDT by ratsreek
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To: ratsreek

I did mean “fateful,” maybe I should hire you.


68 posted on 03/20/2011 8:15:24 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: eddie willers

Now, that is a 3 bag barf alert and make that 30 gallon bags


69 posted on 03/20/2011 10:20:34 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: politicalmerc

I’m retired. :)


70 posted on 03/20/2011 10:30:23 PM PDT by ratsreek
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To: politicalmerc
If moving forces was to combat piracy ,then no declaration needed.

Some will,might,have said: when you go to another country you are at the mercy of their system,not ours;so it behooves one NOT to go to places known to be dangerous or that are known to harbor people who hate you".That is don't expect the rest of us to rescue you from stupidity.

Probably be best if Congress passes a resolution approving the blockade or whatever the very next day they are in session.

I really believe we had no business in the Balkans, and some of the other adventures are questionable.

Of course,if we had a rational energy policy that meant American owned and directed companies supplied the majority of our needs from American oil,gas,coal,hydro, and nuclear, then we might need go into fewer sandpits!

71 posted on 03/20/2011 10:49:14 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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bookmarking


72 posted on 03/20/2011 11:42:01 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: politicalmerc; mvpel; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
There is nothing in the Constitution that says we have to be attacked before the President can use force

Of course there is. The Constitution specifically gives the power of declaring both all-out war AND limited offensive hostilities to the Congress.

The only power given to the president is as CINC of the armed forces AND the Constitution limits the exercise of this power to those times when the armed forces are "called" to be used.

Art 2, Sect 2: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;"

We can pretend that the modern evolution of the power of the presidency with the military means what it means today, but then we can also pretend the liberals are right about the 2d amendment, about abortion, and about the commerce clause.

The president DIRECTS THE military in conflict WHEN it has been given a mission by the Congress.

73 posted on 03/21/2011 7:08:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins
Well Justice, I'm glad you cleared that matter up. I'll repeat, there is nothing that prevents the President from using the STANDING military (which didn't exist at the time of the Constitution) for most anything he wants; except for funding by Congress as a check and balance.

This is what I don't like here. If this was a Republican President we would all be on the other side of this. Many here are constitutional "experts" when it applies to the Democrats. If Reagan were in office they would be all for us attacking Libya.

Give it a break. The President has the power to do what he is doing.

74 posted on 03/21/2011 3:39:13 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: politicalmerc
If this was a Republican President we would all be on the other side of this

I've been around FR a long time. There are multiple offensive military ops during that time, and I think I have established a track record of consistency on this one. Perhaps it's because of military experience; perhaps it's because I can read, but it is fair to say that I've always stood for the principle of Congressional authorization of military offensive operation.

75 posted on 03/21/2011 4:47:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

Well I can appreciate the fact that you are military, you aren’t alone in that. I can appreciate the fact you can read, me too. Maybe you personally are consistent, more power to you. I’m just saying in general people aren’t.


76 posted on 03/21/2011 9:50:36 PM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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