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Palin Damned by LOST Letter? [Vanity]
Office of Governor of Alaska [archived at globalsolutions.org] ^ | September 13, 2007 | Gov. Sarah Palin

Posted on 03/21/2011 7:30:57 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer

Palin supporters on FR been getting hit by anti-Palin FReepers (including EternalVigilance and the late-zotted pissant) over a letter Palin wrote to AK's Senators supporting the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST), specifically adjudication over mineral rights. The PDSer's claim this letter is irrefutable proof that Palin wants to destroy US sovereignty.

It looks to me like Palin, as usual for that period, was more interested in mineral rights and what was good for Alaska than subverting US sovereignty, as the PDSer's claim. Here is an analysis of the letter that seems to support what I'm thinking: http://opiniojuris.org/2008/10/09/sarah-palin%E2%80%99s-letter-in-support-of-the-law-of-the-sea-convention/

Palin wrote in the letter: "...as you know, ratification has been thwarted by a small group of senators concerned about the perceived loss of U.S. sovereignty. I believe quite the contrary is the case. If the U.S. does not ratify the convention, we will be denied access to the forum established by the international community to adjudicate claims to submerged lands in the Arctic."

(Excerpt) Read more at globalsolutions.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: lawoftheseatreaty; lost; palin; palinvanity; sarahpalin; sovereignty; unclos
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I am a Palin supporter, as many of you know, but I am no expert in international law or treaties. There have got to be FReepers that are such experts. What do you think? Please help answer these questions:

1) What does this letter mean?
2) Is support for LOST all or nothing? Was there room for Congress to take out the sovereignty-threatening parts, and keep the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf?
3) Is this just a PDS'er red herring, or is this really something we should take up with Gov Palin?

1 posted on 03/21/2011 7:31:00 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: backwoods-engineer

If you read it, she was simply looking to protect her State. While on the national level, there are a lot of issues with LOST, there also is a risk specifically for Alaska in going the other way, Russia could move into parts of the US and drill for oil or claim other mineral rights because it is just ice cover versus land. It is a little more complicated than a lot of people like to make out.

As a governor of her State, Palin is unable to negotiate that treaty herself so she has to simply deal with the proposition in front of her and what is better for her specific State.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 7:38:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: EternalVigilance

ping


3 posted on 03/21/2011 7:40:43 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: mnehring
As a governor of her State, Palin is unable to negotiate that treaty herself so she has to simply deal with the proposition in front of her and what is better for her specific State.

So, would you agree that her letter can't be extrapolated to mean she supports the subversion of US sovereignty to the UN?

She was governor of AK, yes, but still a US citizen. Our PDSer friends would scream, "if she becomes President, she will sell us out to the UN!" How do you respond to that?

4 posted on 03/21/2011 7:40:43 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer

..I guess I should add, with all that said, I don’t support LOST nor completely agree with Palin on this, but one has to acknowledge Alaska’s position in the matter and the risk to the State going against it. It is pretty obvious from her argument she was not in favor of giving up sovereignty, just the opposite. The PMSers like to stretch this out to an irrational conclusion that Palin wanted to give up sovereignty.


5 posted on 03/21/2011 7:42:17 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: backwoods-engineer

More damning than sitting in Rev Right’s church for 20 yrs? more damning than having associations with known homegrown 60’s/70’s radicals who’s acts included murder? more damning than honoring Louis Farrakhan, as Farrakhan honors Libyan criminal Moammar Gadhafi? More damning than shutting down US gulf oil drilling while promoting Brazilian oil drilling with US dollars in the same region? Need I say more?


6 posted on 03/21/2011 7:43:34 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: TaxPayer2000; EternalVigilance
Thanks. I already ping'd him on the other thread, where this was last discussed.

I'm not trying to talk about him behind his back. Just wanted to get that out there.

7 posted on 03/21/2011 7:44:53 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: dps.inspect
More damning than sitting in Rev Right’s church for 20 yrs? more damning than having associations with known homegrown 60’s/70’s radicals who’s acts included murder? more damning than honoring Louis Farrakhan, as Farrakhan honors Libyan criminal Moammar Gadhafi? More damning than shutting down US gulf oil drilling while promoting Brazilian oil drilling with US dollars in the same region? Need I say more?

Of course, great points. But you know the PDSer crowd. Strain out a gnat and swallow a camel.

I just want to put this one to rest, permanently.

8 posted on 03/21/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer; mnehring
"...if she becomes President, she will sell us out to the UN!" How do you respond to that?

Good Lord, how many of you (backwoods-engineer) pathetic arseholes are out there?!?

Why don't you just go on over and blog with the Huff-Puff or DUmmies losers and save the FR bandwidth.

9 posted on 03/21/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: backwoods-engineer
So, would you agree that her letter can't be extrapolated to mean she supports the subversion of US sovereignty to the UN?

No, that is the irrational conclusion that I mentioned in the other post. One can read into LOST both support and opposition could result in subverting US sovereignty. Not ratifying it could result in land we claim being subverted by Russians who claim it due to ice cover lines versus continental shelf lines. When you get down to it, the argument in Palin's letter's specific case wasn't about subverting sovereignty but simply protecting Alaska. Like I said, this is way more complicated than some like to make it to be.

10 posted on 03/21/2011 7:47:03 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: backwoods-engineer

Wait, pissant is gone?


11 posted on 03/21/2011 7:48:15 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
I'm not a fan of LOST, as I advocate disposing of nuclear waste at sea (at the mid-Pacific subduction zone specifically) and I believe this treaty would interfere based on some econut language within.

That said, I respect Sarah's position on this, and must say that is a very well worded letter.

Those who bash Palin's mind are the ignorant ones.

Palin '12!

12 posted on 03/21/2011 7:48:35 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: backwoods-engineer

IIRC, her letter of support included some caveats regarding amending the treaty to address some of the soverignty concerns.

Bottom line is that the United States is the chief enforcer of United Nations resolutions anyway. The UN has no military or economic means to enforce treaties. Any attempted infringement on US soverignty would be met with severe repercussions economic and potentially military.

And while folks are worried about this letter, the Chinese are drilling the hell out of the gulf off of Cuba and “drinking our milkshake”

We have the power in this world, we have a president who wants to abidicate it. I think it’s safe to say the Sarah Palin believes in projecting our power, not apologizing for having it.


13 posted on 03/21/2011 7:48:44 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Practicing asymetrical thread warfare against anti-Palin Trolls)
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To: backwoods-engineer
The PDSer's claim this letter is irrefutable proof that Palin wants to destroy US sovereignty.

Waaaaaaait a minute. Now that you mention it. You never see Sarah Palin and George Soros at the same place at the same time do you? Hmmmmmm.....

14 posted on 03/21/2011 7:49:02 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ejonesie22

Oh yea, I saw that. Not sure what all he posted that finally pushed it over the top but I hear it was some nasty sexual remarks about Palin.


15 posted on 03/21/2011 7:49:55 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: backwoods-engineer

You do know that EV is head of a competing political party?

As such his interest will always be to put his candidate ahead of Palin, either by promoting his candidate, or by dimishing Palin.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 7:51:25 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: harpu
"...if she becomes President, she will sell us out to the UN!" How do you respond to that? Good Lord, how many of you (backwoods-engineer) pathetic arseholes are out there?!? Why don't you just go on over and blog with the Huff-Puff or DUmmies losers and save the FR bandwidth.

Stop the personal attacks, jerk. I am trying to battle the PDSers here, and try to learn from FReepers who know more about treaties and international law than me. Apparently, you think you have nothing more to learn.

If you spent 1 minute looking at my previous posts, you would know I have no place whatsoever at HP or DU. Joke's on you, pal.

17 posted on 03/21/2011 7:51:45 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Balding_Eagle

So was Pissant. The so called ‘falcon’ party he tried to start (ie, a blog). LOL.


18 posted on 03/21/2011 7:52:18 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ejonesie22
Yes, pissant was zotted at long last, last Thursday for this (#52):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2690220/posts

19 posted on 03/21/2011 7:55:13 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: mnehring

Just saw the last post. Yes it was a bit much.


20 posted on 03/21/2011 7:57:00 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: mnehring
Not sure what all he posted that finally pushed it over the top but I hear it was some nasty sexual remarks about Palin.

See my #19.

21 posted on 03/21/2011 7:58:28 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: ejonesie22; backwoods-engineer

If that is what is left to view, it makes you wonder how bad the pulled ones were?


22 posted on 03/21/2011 7:59:55 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Perhaps Pissant is here under another moniker ...

That is the usual form of a jotted poster.

He's BACK ...???

23 posted on 03/21/2011 8:00:18 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
You do know that EV is head of a competing political party? As such his interest will always be to put his candidate ahead of Palin, either by promoting his candidate, or by dimishing Palin.

No, I did not know that. To save me from searching the archives, and to help others: what party? And who does he support for President?

24 posted on 03/21/2011 8:00:35 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: mnehring; ejonesie22

I don’t know, but FRPDSer’s like pissant have not been nice people, as a whole.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 8:02:00 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer
Ripping Palin for this is typical of the current mood at FR.

Find just a handful of things that are "wrong" about a public person who is in every meaningful way a strong conservative, and point to them while screaming "RINO" at maximum volume.

Then wait for the circular firing squad to do its job---

26 posted on 03/21/2011 8:02:39 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (When you buy stocks, you're betting on Bernanke)
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To: backwoods-engineer

EV is the head of the American Independent Party and was/is(?) Alan Keyes campaign manager. He is a decent fella, even if his party affiliation sometimes get in the way. He is no pissant, that’s for sure.


27 posted on 03/21/2011 8:04:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
When you get down to it, the argument in Palin's letter's specific case wasn't about subverting sovereignty but simply protecting Alaska. Like I said, this is way more complicated than some like to make it to be.

Thanks for the well-thought-out comments. I agree.

28 posted on 03/21/2011 8:05:32 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: mnehring
Pissant always had a way with words. Sadly he was always looking for the perfect candidate...
29 posted on 03/21/2011 8:06:35 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: backwoods-engineer; Virginia Ridgerunner
It looks to me like Palin, as usual for that period, was more interested in mineral rights and what was good for Alaska than subverting US sovereignty, as the PDSer's claim.

You would be correct.

It's interesting that Obama, with a huge majority in the Senate the last two years and with a significant group of Republicans supporting ratification of the treaty, did not push for ratification. Why? Simple. He doesn't want America to have a rightful claim to 25% of the undeveloped oil & gas reserves on the planet.

This is an issue that conservatives refuse to discuss when opposing the treaty. What's the alternative that guarantees our rights to the resources? They offer none.

Some links for anyone interested:

My discussion of LOST here, here, here, and proceeding to the end of the thread.

Cold, Hard Facts: U.S. Trails in Race for the Top of the World

If Palin gets in the race, she may offer an alternative that protects our rights in the Arctic without ratifying the treaty. We'll see. We must assert our rights to the resources that will transcend the political whims of whomever is president. That's the issue.

30 posted on 03/21/2011 8:08:17 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: ejonesie22
Pissant always had a way with words. Sadly he was always looking for the perfect candidate...

I would say rather that he let himself get too emotionally attached to a candidate, projecting his own image of "perfection" on them and lashing out at all others for their lack of such "perfection".

DeMint's hedging regarding RomneyCare may have been the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of his grip on controlling the true nastiness.

31 posted on 03/21/2011 8:10:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: johncocktoasten
And while folks are worried about this letter, the Chinese are drilling the hell out of the gulf off of Cuba and “drinking our milkshake”

Great point. But this "Palin LOST letter" keeps coming up on FR and I want to put a stake in its heart permanently.

32 posted on 03/21/2011 8:11:12 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: ejonesie22
Pissant was banned Thursday because of a very inappropriate comment involving Sarah Palin and Tammy Bruce, kind of a St. Patrick's Day present from Jim and the Mods.
33 posted on 03/21/2011 8:12:19 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: kevkrom

Yeah, basically how he was with Hunter last round. The man could say nothing wrong even when the rest of us were scratching our heads at what Duncan has said or done.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 8:16:38 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: backwoods-engineer; mnehring

EV is embarassed about his position, and will never talk about it out here where everyone is having discussions.

He keeps the information hidden on his home page, and even then never admits that unless confronted.

See his home page.

THAT explains nearly everything about his postings.


35 posted on 03/21/2011 8:18:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Al B.
Thanks for your comments. I will read up on what you wrote previously on the LOST issue.

I agree that Palin could bring a more energy-centric discussion to this, as she does almost everything else.

36 posted on 03/21/2011 8:18:10 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: bwc2221

Yeah, I saw it. “Nice...” in a condencedning sort of tone is what I was thinking to say...


37 posted on 03/21/2011 8:21:11 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
These jokers are still looking for a tempest in a teapot...if Palin dropped a toothpick on the ground they would try to charge her with high crimes and misdemeanors.


38 posted on 03/21/2011 8:22:09 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Al B.
I just got back from reading the links in Al B.'s #30.

WELL WORTH THE READ. Includes quotes from John Bolton on the subject, and links to Reagan's policies (yes LOST goes back that far).

I'm now convinced more than ever that Palin was looking out for US interests, not selling us down the river like EternalVigilance (aka Tom Hoefling, Chairman, America's Party/America's Independent Party) said.

39 posted on 03/21/2011 8:23:11 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: ejonesie22
Wait, pissant is gone?

To: bwc2221

Your Precious? THe one with Tammy Bruce still on her breath?

52 posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:02:42 PM by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))

To: Gator113

pissant has been banned. Consider #52 as his FR legacy.

121 posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:11:55 PM by Admin Moderator

I won't shed a tear for him.

40 posted on 03/21/2011 8:23:39 AM PDT by McGruff (Drill, Baby, Drill.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
This is the the FreeRepublic.com homepage of Tom Hoefling, Chairman, America's Party/America's Independent Party ...Please visit AIPNews.com

You're right-- it sure does explain a lot about EV. Alan Keyes was a loser of a candidate.

41 posted on 03/21/2011 8:26:40 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: McGruff

Classy huh...

Sheesh...


42 posted on 03/21/2011 8:27:42 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: FrankR
These jokers are still looking for a tempest in a teapot...if Palin dropped a toothpick on the ground they would try to charge her with high crimes and misdemeanors.

Governor Palin must really scare them. They must really believe she will be the 45th President of the United States.

43 posted on 03/21/2011 8:28:58 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Al B.

What if we drilled here and didn’t sign on; Could others have the rights to our resources?

Or due to not signing on, we forfeit the private sector re: obtaining other resources around the world?

I’m clueless, honest questions.


44 posted on 03/21/2011 8:31:36 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: Al B.; All
More good stuff on this from Al B.'s postings in other threads (that he posted above in his #30):

As Sarah Palin responded to a concerned Alaskan's question on this issue in a Fairbanks talk radio interview 2 months before she left office,

"...no, we don't want to continue to give more power to the U.N., certainly not, but we have got to be a player in this. Otherwise, we're going to be left out in the cold."

She lives in the real world and I look forward to hearing more from her on this. It's crucial that she be a leader as this discussion on who owns the humongous undersea resources of the Arctic goes forward.

45 posted on 03/21/2011 8:31:43 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer

I used to post a warning about EV on Palin threads, in big letters. Just a warning, no attacks, nothing accusitory or anything like that, simply a warning that he wasn’t what he appeared to be, and a link to his home page.

Really enraged him, and finally after about 6 or 9 months he got a mod to delete my warning.

Go look at his posting history, he’s got a pretty short fuse about his position.


46 posted on 03/21/2011 8:35:07 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Our PDSer friends would scream, "if she becomes President, she will sell us out to the UN!" How do you respond to that?

First, I have no FRIENDS that that suffer from "Palin Derangement Syndrome".

If someone does suffer from PDS, there is no point in responding, because logic won't work.

I used to respond to urine-aunt just to argue, never to win, because I knew that it couldn't be done.

47 posted on 03/21/2011 8:40:24 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Is EV a libertarian or what?

I always found him more irritating than pissant, but perhaps that’s just nostalgia.


48 posted on 03/21/2011 8:41:06 AM PDT by altura
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To: McGruff

Wow! Thanx for posting that. Disgusting. It’s like he was begging to be banned.


49 posted on 03/21/2011 8:44:23 AM PDT by altura
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To: harpu
Good Lord, how many of you (backwoods-engineer) pathetic arseholes are out there?!?

Love your remark. I'm with you 100%. Palin for President.

50 posted on 03/21/2011 8:45:22 AM PDT by Logical me
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