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Boeing’s biggest-ever plane makes maiden flight
Dow Jones Newswires-Wall Street Journal ^ | March 21, 2011

Posted on 03/21/2011 8:47:48 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Boeing Co.’s newest 747 passenger jet, the largest commercial plane it has ever built, took to the skies for the first time Sunday, marking the third maiden flight of a new Boeing commercial airplane in the past 15 months. (See video)

Painted in its orange and red “sunrise” livery, the massive, four-engine 747-8 Intercontinental lifted off from Paine Field, north of Seattle, at 10 a.m. local time under partly cloudy skies and gusty northerly winds. At 250 feet long, the 747-8 is 18 feet longer than its predecessor.

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1 posted on 03/21/2011 8:47:56 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

2 posted on 03/21/2011 8:49:56 AM PDT by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The 747 is a brilliant design. They’ve been able to stretch the upper deck, re-wing it twice (once on the -400, now again on the -8i), upgrade the engines multiple times...it’s a beautiful piece of engineering.

}:-)4


3 posted on 03/21/2011 8:51:27 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Bobalu
That isn't the 747-8.

This is the 747-8:


4 posted on 03/21/2011 8:52:21 AM PDT by Yossarian (Heartfelt thanks, Tea Party Patriots! Despite slander and muck, you pulled through!)
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To: Moose4

Sometimes bigger is not better. To make it effective they have to fill the seats don’t they?


5 posted on 03/21/2011 8:53:42 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Bobalu
From the article: Painted in its orange and red “sunrise” livery, the massive, four-engine 747-8 Intercontinental ...

Am I color blind or is your picture ... ?

6 posted on 03/21/2011 8:55:26 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: ConservativeStatement

So, while Boeing is making leaps of 20 ft to a design that is closing in on ~40 years old; Airbus is throwing down an aircraft like the 380, 49% larger than the Boeing 747-400.

THAT is progress.

Boeing, what has happened? You used to lead the world, now you are polishing a 40 yr old design, and crowing about your achievements.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 8:58:48 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Yossarian

Is the next generation 747, the 747-9 going to have the upper deck go all the way back to the rudder? It’s half way there on the -8 now. the upper deck has slowly been increasing in length over the years. Why not go all the way on the next itteration. It would look pretty cool, too. It wouldn’t lose much of its sleeknes and would look a lot better than that whale Airbus built, the 380.


8 posted on 03/21/2011 8:58:48 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (Impeach the Kenyan usurper. This administration is unConitutional. Show us the long form.)
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To: Yossarian

Love the paint scheme. Red, orange (red + white) and white. It says to me “communism is creeping up from below and coming at us from behind”.


9 posted on 03/21/2011 9:02:40 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Hodar

With Airbus, the pilot is a voting member...with obvious results when flying in thunderstorms.

With Boeing, the pilot is the commander.

‘Nuff said.


10 posted on 03/21/2011 9:03:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Hodar

With Airbus, the pilot is a voting member...with obvious results when flying in thunderstorms.

With Boeing, the pilot is the commander.

‘Nuff said.


11 posted on 03/21/2011 9:03:43 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Hodar

IIRC the Airbus A380’s owners are having difficulty finding runways that can withstand its gigantic weight, while the Boeing 747 & variants can land at almost any scheduled airlines airport. Boeing seems dumb like a fox to me.

What’s wrong with design upgrades? Works for the C-130 and its 55+ year old airframe.


12 posted on 03/21/2011 9:05:04 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Nuke Mecca and you kill Allah, all at once!")
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To: ConservativeStatement

< bragging>
Best flight I ever had was upstairs on a British Airways 747 for an 11 hour flight. The sevice was wonderful and the lay flat seats mad it very easy to sleep. Because of the way the ceiling slopes, it’s very cozy up there. The bragging part is I got an unexpected upgrade at the airport. I was expecting to fly in coach!< /bragging>


13 posted on 03/21/2011 9:05:43 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: JohnG45
Am I color blind or is your picture ... ?

Its red where Boeing insignia is and orange above.

14 posted on 03/21/2011 9:06:23 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: JohnG45

And the Dreamliner? what happened to that?


15 posted on 03/21/2011 9:06:34 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Worst president in my lifetime by far..... Hoping for -24 today.)
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To: Hodar

Are they making the coach seats any wider? Sitting in the middle seat of a 737 is torture unless one is stick twig thin and neighbor is not a whale.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 9:07:21 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: JohnG45

Sorry, I just noticed you reply to post 2, not 4.


17 posted on 03/21/2011 9:07:49 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sales of the passenger version of the -8 are anemic to put it kindly. However, sales of the cargo version are strong. Lufthansa is buying some of the pax versions and described the plane as “filling a niche between their A-340’s and the A-380”. So there you have it, the latest pax version of the 747 is a niche plane.


18 posted on 03/21/2011 9:08:33 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: JohnG45

That may be the 747-8F. The 747 freighters all use the old 747-100/-200 forward fuselage with the short upper deck. The passenger variants starting with the -300 and into the -400 got the upper deck stretched back to near the leading edge of the wings, but all 747 freighters including the 747-400F and the new 747-8F still have the short version. The only 747 freighters you’ll see with stretched upper decks are ones that have been converted from -300 or -400 passenger variants.

}:-)4


19 posted on 03/21/2011 9:09:00 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Da Coyote

What? Did you drink orange juice for breakfast, or drive in to work?

The Pilot is the commander on every aircraft. He makes the calls, it doesn’t matter in the least whether it’s Boeing, Airbus or a CRJ.

Boeing has been milking a design for 40+ years. That is PATHETIC. The 747 is older than the Space Shuttle. The technology available when the 747 was created is utterly obsolete now. Time to scap the 747, and move forward and actually INNOVATE.

The competition is there, they are innovating and creating competition on both the small (CRJ lines) as well as the large international (Airbus) side of the industry.

Boeing is tweaking 40 yr old designs. At this rate, they will be GONE in another 10 years (at best).


20 posted on 03/21/2011 9:10:35 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
It is progress so long as the A380 can stay in the air as reliably as the "old" 747 technology.

I flew the Sydney to Singapore route a couple months after the first A380's entered SQ service. Nothing special except the business class seats were weird. The seat and back were about three feet wide with a long seat belt that didn't really hold one in place side-to-side, and the little compartment where one's feet go after reclining the seat was offset to one side. I was in a starboard side seat so it was offset to my right. Result: impossible to get comfortable and pain in my hip once I got up after an 8 hour flight.

And after the recent engine failures on a couple Qantas A380's I will try as much as possible to stay with B747's for any really long haul flights.

21 posted on 03/21/2011 9:12:03 AM PDT by katana
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To: tflabo
Are they making the coach seats any wider? Sitting in the middle seat of a 737 is torture unless one is stick twig thin and neighbor is not a whale.

I hear you loud and clear. But, to the best of my knowledge, the extra space is being used to pack in more passengers. If you want a wide seat - ya gotta bump up to Business or First.

22 posted on 03/21/2011 9:12:57 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: elcid1970

BTTT


23 posted on 03/21/2011 9:13:08 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: refermech

“Sometimes bigger is not better. To make it effective they have to fill the seats don’t they?”
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

No problem.

All the manufacturing outsourcing execs will fill them on flights to our friend China.


24 posted on 03/21/2011 9:13:48 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Hodar
747-8 is supposed to consume less fuel and have a better cost per seat than the A380.

Both are Ultra-Large, meant for only Airports that can handle them and meant for the long distance intercontinental flights.

So if the 747-8 has less of a carbon footprint and costs less per seat, it may edge out the A380 in the publics mind IMHO.

25 posted on 03/21/2011 9:20:14 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: JohnG45
Am I color blind or is your picture ... ?

Check your monitor's color settings, or those of your operating system. Many web browsers have little in the way of proper color matching.

26 posted on 03/21/2011 9:25:04 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: katana

As with any new aircraft, there are going to be some bugs to work out.

I was surprised to hear about the weirdness of the seats. That’s surprising to hear. I’d hope they would be able to fix this with a relatively minor amount of effort.


27 posted on 03/21/2011 9:26:27 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Video Take off
28 posted on 03/21/2011 9:29:52 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Yossarian; Bobalu
That isn't the 747-8.

This is the 747-8:

It's a candy. It's a breath mint. Wait, you're both right.

Bobalu's picture is of the 747-8F freighter. Yossarian's picture is of the 747-8i Intercontinental passenger aircraft.

Both aircraft share the 787's GEnX engines (modified for bleed air,) a longer fuselage, and supercritical wing.

The 787-8F sports a shorter upper deck (it isn't used for cargo) and a nose cargo loading door. The 747-8i sports the longest upper deck ever seen in a 747, and is second only to the Airbus A380-800 in passenger capacity.


29 posted on 03/21/2011 9:30:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sr4402

The question comes down to the cost/passenger and the volume of passengers on a partiuclar route.

Do you fly 1 of the Airbus 380’s or two of the B747’s?

Airbus is selling them, each one sold is a huge sale for Airbus, and a huge loss for Boeing.

Boeing SHOULD be able to compete, carbon fiber and other light-weight materials, better engines, sophisticated electronics and robotic assembly all working together to make stronger, lighter, faster and more efficient aircraft.

When it comes to innovative designs - I tend to look to American ingenuity. Anymore, we are seeing it come from someplace else, first. That’s a disappointment.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 9:31:31 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
Boeing, what has happened? You used to lead the world, now you are polishing a 40 yr old design, and crowing about your achievements

Boeing is an aircraft manufacturer - they either make a profit or go out of business. The 747 is a cash machine and the 747-8 is as modern as any commercial aircraft flying.

Airbust is a socialist program to provide employment - doesn't matter if they make money or not, and they won't make money on the A380.

Plus, when the last A380 is flown to the boneyard, the aircrew will fly back home on a 747.

31 posted on 03/21/2011 9:31:31 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

One of the biggest mistakes the Air Force ever made was choosing the Lockheed C-5 over the 747.


32 posted on 03/21/2011 9:33:39 AM PDT by wolfman
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
and they won't make money on the A380.

Sounds like wishful thinking ... Did you know that Airbus has orders for 244 of the A380-800 and have delivered 44 of them to date? Source

If history tells us anything, ANY company that milks a cash cow, dies a horrible death as soon as the cash cow dies. And that appears to be what Boeing is doing. They have a ~40 yr old design, that has been modernized - but is essentially a 40 yr old design; competing against aggressive companies like Airbus and CRJ. Boeing is losing contracts, and unless they can innovate - they are going to go the way of McDonnel Douglas, Lockheed and other aircraft manufacturers.

33 posted on 03/21/2011 9:39:25 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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Rare Photograph from 1944, Nazi Germany. Good thing we stopped them before these got off the ground ...
34 posted on 03/21/2011 9:42:30 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Hodar
Is this innovation enough?


35 posted on 03/21/2011 9:43:31 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Hodar

There’s not much in the latest 747 that was there in the original. The cockpit, avionics, engines and even the wings are completely different from the original.

Sometimes a good basic design can last a long time. Take the Mauser rifle action, with some tweaking it’s survived as one of the most beloved actions worldwide for well over a hundred years.


36 posted on 03/21/2011 9:44:04 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Scythian

bttt


37 posted on 03/21/2011 9:44:46 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Hodar
Sounds like wishful thinking ... Did you know that Airbus has orders for 244 of the A380-800 and have delivered 44 of them to date?

Did you know that the break-even point for Airbus on the A380 is at approximately 420 units? Source.

OTOH, don't even ask what the current break-even point for Boeing's 787 is...

38 posted on 03/21/2011 9:45:22 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ASA Vet

THATS what I’m talking about!!

Whazzit? Haven’t heard of it, but I love the flying wing design.


39 posted on 03/21/2011 9:45:41 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar
Have you ever considered that the proposed 380 F (that may never be produced) carries a mere 5% more payload but its OEW is 40% more than the 747-8F.

As Randy Baseler put it, with the A380F, you're flying around over 40% more airplane structural weight for only 5% more revenue payload!

Baseler also addresses the longer range of the 380.

40 posted on 03/21/2011 9:49:24 AM PDT by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINOs, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: Yo-Yo

The very next sentence states that they plan to hit the break-even point in 2015, despite the drop in the US dollar and delays.

As with any industry, you plan and risk for the future. My beef is that I’m seeing some other companies plan, deliver and showcase the future - while I see Boeing polishing and making minor modifications to a ~40 yr old design.

Yes, the 747 is established, yes it is reliable. Keep making it, by all means; but also plan for what you want to do for the next 10 years. The flying wing design is a huge step in the right direction.


41 posted on 03/21/2011 9:50:41 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Bobalu

Prediction: obama will want to upgrade AF-1 to one of these...


42 posted on 03/21/2011 9:50:55 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Hodar

Have the laws of physics or aerodynamics changed in the last 40 years?


43 posted on 03/21/2011 9:51:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I thought this was the Maiden flight?
44 posted on 03/21/2011 9:53:06 AM PDT by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: Hodar
Whazzit?

It's the Boeing 797 Flying Wing hoax that's been around for a few years.

45 posted on 03/21/2011 9:53:12 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Hodar

The seat issue was probably specific to the Singapore Air version, which actually makes it doubly puzzling since SQ is absolutely top notch in every respect, passenger service and comfort in particular. My guess is somebody on their design team had a brain cramp and/or never bothered to sit in the B Class seats for the A380 themselves. Either that or their research showed a 3 foot wide seat was needed for the average Aussie businessman’s backside flying out of Sydney.


46 posted on 03/21/2011 9:53:26 AM PDT by katana
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To: Hodar
Sounds like wishful thinking ... Did you know that Airbus has orders for 244 of the A380-800 and have delivered 44 of them to date?

And they'll have to sell 2-3 times that to make at least a "paper" profit. God only knows how many they'd need to sell to make an actual profit, and what are the chances of that when only a few of them in service fly at capacity, and when the 747-8 flies at a lower cost per seat.

47 posted on 03/21/2011 9:56:52 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: Hodar
Boeing is losing contracts, and unless they can innovate

The 787 isn't innovation enough? It's such a radical departure from the past, 80% composite including the body and most of the wings, that Boeing has been having some serious development problems. It's three years late, but will most likely fly in airline service this year. Airbus initially said it's too soon to do composites. Maybe, given the delay, but innovation means doing things "too soon" instead of following when it's safe. All Airbus did with the A380 was supersize things, not serious innovation.

I can't wait to fly on a 787, with the use of compressors instead of bleed air for cabin pressure, and the higher cabin pressure allowed by the composite body.

48 posted on 03/21/2011 9:57:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Da Coyote
With Boeing, the pilot is the commander.

When I worked there in the 80s, I was astounded to find that the controls were triply redundant, and that there were literally cables running through pulleys, etc., from the cockpit to the control surfaces. A fully manual control.

49 posted on 03/21/2011 9:59:25 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Yossarian

Its the cargo version I believe. Been seeing it fly around Palmdale facility for some time now.


50 posted on 03/21/2011 10:03:52 AM PDT by Always Independent
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