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Can An American Who Believes in the US Constitution, Be Elected President of the USA?

Posted on 03/21/2011 12:39:44 PM PDT by pinochet

There is an old joke that circulates among right-wing libertarians, which says that any American President who attempts to govern according to the US constitution, would be impeached. But the America of today, makes the founding fathers turn over in their graves.

The last American President to govern according to the constitution, was William Howard Taft (1909 - 1913). Taft was later appointed as the Chief Justice of the United States in 1921, by President Warren G. Harding.

Woodrow Wilson (1913 - 1921) turned America from a Republic into a global empire, similar to the Roman Empire. He imposed the income tax on the American people, and also pushed through the Federal Reserve Act, which lead to the weakening of the American dollar over the following decades. He sent young American men to die in a useless war in Europe (World War One), the first time that America had intervened in a European War. Woodrow Wilson's participation in World War One caused the horrible conditions in Germany, that led to the rise of Hitler.

America was not established as a nation that was to give free stuff to people, using other people's money. But today, welfare, prescription drugs, medicare, etc, are seen as "civil rights". The unconstitutional health bill is now part of American law. If any President tried to limit government spending, to create a lean federal government, as the founders had intended, Congress would impeach him.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: constitution; foundingfathers; libya; obama
There is also that problem of America getting into wars, without Congress formally declaring war, as the constitution requires. We are now waging war on Libya, without the American people or Congress being consulted.
1 posted on 03/21/2011 12:39:52 PM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

...after four years of the Marxist clown doctor, Bugs Bunny could get elected.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 12:40:57 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: pinochet

Let’s take our country back then now, rein in the Federal Reserve, have a mature discussion about the income tax, about empire and what it’s done to the founder’s country, our country, and impeach the miscreant occupying Taft’s old office.


3 posted on 03/21/2011 12:43:53 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: pinochet
Only Constitutionalists HAVE beeb elected.

The others wore kneepads, fore and/or aft ... didn't make a difference.


Does anyone really believe zero was truly elected ?

I don't.

4 posted on 03/21/2011 12:44:55 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: OldNewYork

“rein in the Federal Reserve”

I disagree. Beat it to death.


5 posted on 03/21/2011 12:47:00 PM PDT by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 32 lbs in 5 weeks)
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To: pinochet
A Hard rain is gonna fall.

Either we keep doing what we're doing and end up in an uncontrolled crash with millions of casualties and an irrevocably broken society, or else we intentionally rein in the government, reduce spending dramatically, but in a controlled fashion, and risk many thousands of casualties to re-create the type of society we were meant to have.

I say Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs. I don't want the future to "happen" in a collapse. I want a Patriot to steer us into a brighter future.

6 posted on 03/21/2011 12:47:24 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: pinochet

No!

Liberals say that the real constitution would re-impose slavery. So we must be rule by the progressive evolving constitution that allows the government to force you to buy Obama-care, but forbids state voters (or their representatives) from passing laws against homosexual activity.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 12:52:46 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: pinochet

Good article, but though I agree Taft was a Constitutional stalwart, I would take issue with him being the _last_ Constitutional President. What about Silent Cal?


8 posted on 03/21/2011 12:53:02 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Grunthor

“I disagree. Beat it to death.”

Heh, that’s what I get for trying to be diplomatic. I’m all for going all Andy Jackson all over it.


9 posted on 03/21/2011 12:54:44 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: OldNewYork

Yeah, let’s go all Andy Jackson on the B.U.S. on it. Well said.


10 posted on 03/21/2011 12:56:17 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: pinochet
Can An American Who Believes in the US Constitution, Be Elected President of the USA?

No.

Hell, a true Constitutionalist wouldn't even win a poll on Free Republic.

11 posted on 03/21/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by Roninf5-1 (If ignorance is bliss why are so many Americans on anti-depressants?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
A Hard rain is gonna fall. Either we keep doing what we're doing and end up in an uncontrolled crash with millions of casualties and an irrevocably broken society, or else we intentionally rein in the government, reduce spending dramatically, but in a controlled fashion, and risk many thousands of casualties to re-create the type of society we were meant to have.

I think you are so right. Whatever happens, your well-crafted words above may haunt me the rest of my life.

12 posted on 03/21/2011 12:58:53 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: pinochet

Woodrow Wilson (1913 - 1921) turned America from a Republic into a global empire, similar to the Roman Empire
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

By Wilson’s time, 1 to 3 generations of voters had been indoctrinated in our modern socialist-modeled government schools.

Government schools ( by **definition**) are socialist-funded, collectivist managed by voting mob school boards, and compulsory. While at first they offered up a generic and lukewarm Protestantism, by my grandmother’s day ( born 1894) they were godlessly secular with a sprinkle of prayer in the morning.

So.....If children are indoctrinated in socialist, collectivist, godless, compulsory, and voter mob managed schools they **WILL**WILL**WILL** become comfortable with socialism, collectivism, godlessness, government compulsion, and voter mob control of their lives, and even their deaths ( Death Panels).

Wilson, the IRS, the federal reserve, usurpation of large tracts of land for federal parks, feminism, unions, direct election of Senators, and FDR’s New Deal was INEVITABLE!

No one should be surprised that Death Panels are casting a long shadow over our future.

(By the way, we know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!_)


13 posted on 03/21/2011 1:01:14 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: pinochet

Yes


14 posted on 03/21/2011 1:01:40 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Doogle
...after four years of the Marxist clown doctor, Bugs Bunny could get elected.

This is really scary. The marxist clown doctor is the incumbent. That alone makes him the favorite in 2012.

15 posted on 03/21/2011 1:05:46 PM PDT by stevem
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To: pinochet

Can An American Who Believes in the US Constitution, Be Elected President of the USA?

Let's see what finally happens in Wisconsin. That will be the bellwether.
16 posted on 03/21/2011 1:07:00 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: pinochet

If not then the American experiment is dead.

LLS


17 posted on 03/21/2011 1:07:31 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

>>>What about Silent Cal?

Calvin Coolidge was a great President. But by the time he took over, the American Presidency had become an imperial Presidency. Coolidge did a great job as President, and had the discipline to restrain himself from using the immense power that he had.

But a President’s power is supposed to be restrained by the constitution, not by his discretion to avoid using his immense power.


18 posted on 03/21/2011 1:15:54 PM PDT by pinochet
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To: ClearCase_guy
A major part of the plan to save our nation MUST MUST MUST include:

1) We **MUST** shut down every government K-12 school in the nation!

**ALL** of them by definition are socialist, collectivist managed, godless in their worldview, and are compulsory in funding and attendance! Simply by attending our future voters become comfortable with socialism, voter mob control of their lives, government compulsion, and they learn to think and reason godlessly.

2) As conservatives we MUST find ways to have complete separation of school and state.

3) As conservatives we MUST see that every child in this nation has access to a **private** and conservative education that fully supports the child's specific Judeo Christian belief and our nation's founding principles.

4) Charles Murray is right! We should move toward credential exams so that fewer young people will have the need to attend Marxist colleges. Credentialing exams could even be used for major parts of the education needed in the professions.

5) Work on completely privatizing all colleges and universities.

6) Through our alumni associations and other means thoroughly reform our nation's colleges and universities. We need **complete** separation of school and state.

7) We should abandon Prussian-model and prison-like methods of schooling which teach children to be good little prisoners of the prevailing authority.

8) Our nation's children should experience the education settings enjoyed by our Founding Fathers: homeschooling, neighborhood dame schools in the homes of neighbors, one room schools organized by parents, selective private tutoring, home school co-ops, apprenticeships, and home-based academies to prepare the brightest for entrance into college by the **early** teens.

19 posted on 03/21/2011 1:16:51 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: pinochet

Whuh?

20 posted on 03/21/2011 1:48:12 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: pinochet
"Can An American Who Believes in the US Constitution, Be Elected President of the USA?"

No, because the campaign funds from the tri-partisan, favored few, globalist constituents wouldn't support such a nominee.


21 posted on 03/21/2011 1:54:54 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: pinochet
"Woodrow Wilson (1913 - 1921) turned America from a Republic into a global empire, similar to the Roman Empire. He was a leader in the Progressive Movement--a follower of Susan B. Anthony and her kind, of "free trade," etc. He was much like a Libertarian."


22 posted on 03/21/2011 2:02:42 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: wintertime

—— 3) As conservatives we MUST see that every child in this nation has access to a **private** and conservative education that fully supports the child’s specific Judeo Christian belief and our nation’s founding principles. ——

Your ideas aren’t terrible, but there’s a huge flaw in them. If school becomes an entirely private enterprise, then the market is going to provide schooling options for people who aren’t conservative, judeo-christian, or have any interest in the Constitution.

There absolutely would be atheist schools, muslim schools, hindu schools, etc. Also you’d find schools that were run and funded by liberal organizations such as MoveOn and the Soros/Gates empire. To say nothing of the schools that would be funded by corporations. (Would you want kids attending the Frito-Lay School of Higher Salted Education?)

Moving into the realm of post-secondary education, again you’d find a huge swath of liberal-dominated schools with a few Conservative/Christian schools thrown in, pretty much like we have now.

In addition there is the problem of how much of academia is dominated by liberals, and how reluctant conservatives seem to be to enter the world of education. Now, this could be a self-selecting type of issue, that would be resolved with a proliferation of conservative schools, but in the early years of a program such as the one you’ve suggested you’d probably see Conservative schools having issues attracting qualified teachers.

This could then result in liberals having an advantage in the job market, if businesses knew that having gone to an institution that espoused liberalism meant you’d acquired a more in-depth or more cutting-edge (due to financial clout) education, you could see a significant drop in the earning power of Conservatives as they found themselves shut out of higher-wage earning jobs. This would then be compounded throughout society as those liberal learning institutions would benefit from more moneyed alumni and business could develop more liberal cultures and become even less likely to consider applicants from conservative schools.

A further problem would be the splintering of American culture. If children were getting such diverse styles of education, you probably wouldn’t see the ‘melting pot’ that has been of such benefit to America. Heck, if schools were entirely private they could offer education in Spanish, or Chinese or whatever language an immigrant came from, English could be taught as a second language. Schools wouldn’t be required to teach the history of the States in a meaningful way.

Heck, it would be possible, if schools were completely privatized, to establish an outright jihadist school with education in Arabic, and claim that you were simply “filling a niche” in the marketplace.

Yes, the more I think about it, the more I realize that you just have an ax to grind against schools for some reason and that you have spent no time thinking out the likely outcomes of getting rid of the government school system.

Far better for conservatives to gain control of government and make use of the school system for our benefit that to eradicate them and deal with the resulting educational chaos.


23 posted on 03/21/2011 2:04:36 PM PDT by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: pinochet

This part was not a quote, BTW.

He was a leader in the Progressive Movement—a follower of Susan B. Anthony and her kind, of “free trade,” etc. He was much like a Libertarian. I’m nonpolitical and don’t care for any of the political parties out there. They’re all corrupt, global, sexually confused spendthrifts.


24 posted on 03/21/2011 2:05:24 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: pinochet

No.
Entirely too many people think the government’s job is to give them “stuff.” They’re not going vote to have the goodies turned off. And their votes count the same yours and mine - more, once ACORN and its union associates get done with the vote fraud.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 2:20:19 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Roninf5-1
Hell, a true Constitutionalist wouldn't even win a poll on Free Republic.

Quote of the day.

26 posted on 03/21/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: Roninf5-1

Painfully true. LOL We need to find one first.


27 posted on 03/21/2011 2:53:14 PM PDT by dforest
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To: pinochet

yes, with some changes....the stupid must not be allowed into the ballot box....simple solution is a 4 question poll test

1) who is the current president of the united states?

2) who is the current vice president of the united states?

3) who is the governor of your state?

4) name the 3 branches of the federal government.

this would eliminate most liberals, in a right now fashion....hell, i bet most teachers could not answer all 4 correctly...


28 posted on 03/21/2011 2:58:26 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: itsahoot

you got that right..hell, the social(ist) conservatives what to smack us with just as many restrictions on our constitutional rights as the libs do, they just want to do it from the other side of the spectrum


29 posted on 03/21/2011 3:02:02 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone

Even if you changed it to “what is the name of” I’d still be a little unclear on the first one.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 3:14:04 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: pinochet

We will reap what has been sown. It may still be a while, but Americans will pay a price for the hubris of our “governing class.”


31 posted on 03/21/2011 4:20:54 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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