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ATF's Mexico gun problem
sfgate.com ^ | 16 March, 2011 | SF Chronicle

Posted on 03/21/2011 4:10:01 PM PDT by marktwain

"Fast and Furious" is the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' sting operation that allowed hundreds of weapons to get into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. It is also a pretty fair description of the reaction in Mexico to the possibility that a U.S. government operation contributed to the lethal mayhem south of the border.

Attorney General Eric Holder has said he is taking the allegations "very seriously" and has asked the inspector general to "get to the bottom of it." U.S. Senate investigators are also looking into the effects of what was, at best, a sloppy ATF operation - including the possibility that one of the guns might have been used in separate attacks that killed two U.S law enforcement agents.

In Mexico, Humberto Benitez Trevino, chair of the justice committee in the lower chamber of Congress, claimed his government has found evidence of "150 cases of injuries and homicides with arms that were smuggled and passed illegally into our country."

Whistle-blower James Dodson, a Phoenix-based ATF agent who worked on the Fast and Furious operation, said the flow of guns to traffickers was so heavy that it was impossible for the agency to not know that some of the weapons would end up in Mexico.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfeisajoke; bootthebatfe; gunwalker; mexico; projectgunwalker
It is hard to follow the logic of the writer. The ATF is caught in the process of "walking" guns to Mexico. It is hard to think of anything this was meant to accomplish other than to bump up the numbers (which previously were pitifully small) to justify more infringements on American rights and more budget and manpower for the ATF.

The solution according to the Chronicle: Give the people who screwed up royally, and perhaps conspired to subvert the U.S. Constitution, what they want... I guess it is what the Chronicle editors want as well.

1 posted on 03/21/2011 4:10:04 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

1. ATF saw a looming budget crisis, wanted to shore up their funding

2. They started alleging there was some “border gun crisis”

3. Then they set about CREATING that crisis

4. Then there were going to present themselves as the solution to that crisis

The Waco fiasco was also undertaken with budget hearings in mind —the “go code” was even “Show Time”, and they had film crews along with them, the better to record their heroism.

This agency shouldn’t even exist.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 4:32:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: marktwain
how can Holder investigate the administration? Special Prosecutor please?
3 posted on 03/21/2011 4:38:38 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: marktwain
It is hard to think of anything this was meant to accomplish other than to bump up the numbers (which previously were pitifully small) to justify more infringements on American rights and more budget and manpower for the ATF.

That was the underlying logic that was floated that gave ATF permission to carry out this project. Holder will have to work overtime to figure out a workable spin for it.

4 posted on 03/21/2011 5:06:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: marktwain
In a normal country, everybody involved in this scandal would go to prison. A novelist would subsequently write a Pulitzer Prize winning novel about it and Hollywood would make an Oscar winning movie from the novel.

In America, a few of us who believe in justice and the American Constitution will complain to each other in cyberspace and nothing will ever come of it.

Some days it's hard not to hate what America has become.

5 posted on 03/21/2011 5:16:35 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: marktwain

I honestly don’t think a gun dealer should be made by goverment to be at all concerned with what his legal clients intend to do with the guns they buy.

If the ATF or anyone wants to prevent interstate or international Gun sales let them do it at the border. You don’t suppress domestic liberties in order to secure a border.

Indeed the Federal Constitution specifically prohibits “taxes” or duties on exports. Article 1 Section 9 Clause 5:

“Clause 5: No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. “

That would make it fairly clear that the Federal Government is incapable of applying any kind of tax prohibiting the exportation of anything from the United States.

That means any attempt to obstruct the exportation of guns from the United States from an internal standpoint is not only Constitutionally unauthorized its actually specifically Constitutionally prohibited.

Or do we have a general embargo against Mexico? (The Constitutionality of that is anther Story.)


6 posted on 03/21/2011 5:35:34 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Hardastarboard

You have got that right. The Waco hearings were a joke and waste of time.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 5:41:58 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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Re: Attorney General Eric Holder has said he is taking the allegations "very seriously"

Sure he is......if they are white guys I believe him. Otherwise, they walk.
8 posted on 03/22/2011 5:02:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Sadly, your post is spot on.


9 posted on 03/22/2011 5:09:59 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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