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Wisconsin's Radical Break (Professor plays the McCarthy Card)
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2011 | William Cronon, Prof of history, geography and environment at UW-M

Posted on 03/22/2011 3:03:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

....Mr. Walker’s conduct has provoked a level of divisiveness and bitter partisan hostility the likes of which have not been seen in this state since at least the Vietnam War. Many citizens are furious at their governor and his party, not only because of profound policy differences, but because these particular Republicans have exercised power in abusively nontransparent ways that represent such a radical break from the state’s tradition of open government.

..as a centrist and a lifelong independent — I have found myself returning...to the question posed by the lawyer Joseph N. Welch during the hearings that finally helped bring down another Wisconsin Republican, Joe McCarthy, in 1954: “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

Scott Walker is not Joe McCarthy. Their political convictions and the two moments in history are quite different. But there is something about the style of the two men — their aggressiveness, their self-certainty, their seeming indifference to contrary views — that may help explain the extreme partisan reactions they triggered. McCarthy helped create the modern Democratic Party in Wisconsin by infuriating progressive Republicans, imagining that he could build a national platform by cultivating an image as a sternly uncompromising leader willing to attack anyone who stood in his way. Mr. Walker appears to be provoking some of the same ire from adversaries and from advocates of good government by acting with a similar contempt for those who disagree with him.

The turmoil in Wisconsin is not only about bargaining rights or the pension payments of public employees. It is about transparency and openness. It is about neighborliness, decency and mutual respect. Joe McCarthy forgot these lessons of good government, and so, I fear, has Mr. Walker. Wisconsin’s citizens have not.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: joemccarthy; scottwalker; unions; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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THERE WAS AN EVENT, CALLED AN ELECTION, THAT FLIPPED WISCONSIN POLITICS FROM DEMOCRAT TO GOP. THE PEOPLE SPOKE. THE UNIONS WANT THEIRS DESPITE THE REALITIES OF THE STATE'S FINANCIAL PLIGHT. DEMOCRATIC PARTY SENATORS FLED THE STATE AND REFUSED TO RETURN. THE LEGISLATURE VOTED. THE PARTISAN JUDGE RULED. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IS BEING BLOCKED.


1 posted on 03/22/2011 3:03:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"William Cronon, Prof of history, geography and environment at UW-M"

Consider the source. Enough said...

2 posted on 03/22/2011 3:06:26 AM PDT by red tie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow. This is a guy who has no grasp on cause and effect, i.e. reality. I fell sorry for the folks who have literally bought into his fuzzy logic.


3 posted on 03/22/2011 3:07:15 AM PDT by gr8eman (People who have no souls never "Soul Search"!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If this is the reaction to a simple effort to cut expenses and balance the state budget so that the people can live within their means, then Wisconsin - and, if this should prove to be typical, very possibly the entire nation - is doomed.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 3:16:13 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: red tie
- UW Experts Guide for Media
5 posted on 03/22/2011 3:16:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The moron hasn’t figured out that the candy bowl is empty and won’t be refilled...

So he’s throwing a tantrum just like good leftest do...


6 posted on 03/22/2011 3:16:48 AM PDT by DB
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This "educator" (ugh) accuses the Wisconsin Senate of "exercising power in abusively non-transparent ways" and uses this premise to excuse and allow for the vile reaction of Democrats to the decision.

Libtards need to look at the reaction of the right when Congress passed Obamacare in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve. Dems did most of their positioning in "abusively non-transparent ways". Did the right burst out in violent reaction, acting like a bunch of two-year olds who find out their playground rules have been changed? NO! We didn't like it, but we know when we've been beaten and we took the legal and logical steps to start reversing the process.

7 posted on 03/22/2011 3:17:04 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Joe McCarthy was right. Read the Venona files, perfesser.


8 posted on 03/22/2011 3:20:27 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Left wingers love beards. What is it? Does the hair on the face come first or does the pinko come first and then the hair?


9 posted on 03/22/2011 3:23:42 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...as a centrist...

Right off, he displays the left's penchant for dissembling. This guy is as "centrist" as Pol Pot.

10 posted on 03/22/2011 3:25:50 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Jack Hammer
The people voted out the Left but the Left holds the voters in contempt. That vote threw a wrench into their plans to deny us our freedoms.

The thing that will doom us is whether we allow activist judges to hold sway over the legislature.

Radical Leftist revolutionaries want to dismantle the foundations of our government.

A cautionary warning:

A Philosopher's Warning [excerpt] “……According to Carvalho, the Left continues to consolidate its position in Latin America. “It has been following a strategy explicitly presented in a Chinese communist congress a few years ago: to take power by means of legal elections and then erode the democratic system from the inside to prevent the opposition from ever coming back to power in future elections,” he explained. “This is to say: they win a first match and then proceed to change the rules of the game. In Brazil this strategy has led to spectacular results. First, the idea was to limit the political field to only two contestants: radical Left and moderate Left. All other forces were dismantled by means of targeted tax audits and corruption charges which did not even need to be proved, since they destroyed reputations once and for all as soon as they were trumpeted by the media.”

Could America’s traditional ally in South America be under the control of a totalitarian movement? How could we miss such an astonishing development? “American opinion-makers have a wrong view of Brazil,” said Carvalho, “because the Brazilian government has always acted in a two-faced and camouflaged way. On the one hand, it has been courting American investors to strengthen the Brazilian economy, but on the other, it has been taking advantage of economic success in order to consolidate the Leftist sway at home, to make impossible any political opposition which is not that of the moderate left, and to give effective support to the rise of the Left in neighboring countries, while protecting openly terrorist organizations like the FARC and the Chilean MIR, which thus have ended up controlling the local criminal organization and getting the monopoly of the drug market in Brazil. In Venezuela, Hugo Chavez has also dismantled the opposition, but using more blatant methods.”

Since Brazil harbors the core of the communist movement in Latin America, how is the anti-American campaign progressing? According to Carvalho the Left is not always able to move forward. “It follows an alternating rhythm,” he explained, “according to whether the important thing at the moment is to flatter foreign investors or to unify and strengthen the Latin American Left.” “For more than ten years,” Carvalho noted, “I have been warning that the Worker’s Party [in Brazil] is not an organization like the others; that is, willing to alternate with the opposition in power. The Worker’s Party is a revolutionary organization committed to reshaping the state and the entire society after its image and likeness, by using, for this purpose, the vilest and most corrupt resources. Since no one has ever believed any of this, everyone has kindly disarmed himself in the face of this rising party, and now that it controls everything, no one can do anything against it. Brazil is governed by a single party which has several names. I see no prospect of changing this situation in the short or medium term.”…. [end excerpt]

11 posted on 03/22/2011 3:25:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TigersEye

Blame the media. A communist will do what a communist does. But the media spin is what causes the real problem.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 3:26:59 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Have you terrorized a terrorist today?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“their aggressiveness, their self-certainty, their seeming indifference to contrary views — that may help explain the extreme partisan reactions they triggered. ...cultivating an image as a sternly uncompromising leader willing to attack anyone who stood in his way. ...appears to be provoking some of the same ire from adversaries and from advocates of good government by acting with a similar contempt for those who disagree with him.”

That’s the best description of Barak Obama I’ve seen all week.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 3:27:22 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Left FR in 2011, and I ain't comin' back! :P)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

All our major media are a Fifth Column propaganda machine not news organizations.


14 posted on 03/22/2011 3:29:28 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“..(his) conduct has provoked a level of divisiveness and bitter partisan hostility the likes of which have not been seen in this state since at least the Vietnam War. Many citizens are furious at their governor and his party, not only because of profound policy differences, but because these particular (Democrats) have exercised power in abusively nontransparent ways that represent such a radical break from the state’s tradition of open government.’

Again—that’s Obama to a T.


15 posted on 03/22/2011 3:30:16 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Left FR in 2011, and I ain't comin' back! :P)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
...Libtards need to look at the reaction of the right when Congress passed Obamacare in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve. Dems did most of their positioning in "abusively non-transparent ways". Did the right burst out in violent reaction, acting like a bunch of two-year olds who find out their playground rules have been changed? NO! We didn't like it, but we know when we've been beaten and we took the legal and logical steps to start reversing the process. ...

The rule of law has sustained our freedoms. The Left is ignoring a FL judge's ruling on Obamacare and it continues apace, while a county judge in WI blocks publication of the bill and everything comes to a halt.

The Left has no respect for the rule of law.

16 posted on 03/22/2011 3:30:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes! They like it when their guy flips a bird at the country.
Yet let a state legislature govern according to the wishes of the people (AZ, WI, etc) and watch all hell break loose.


17 posted on 03/22/2011 3:32:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What rot.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 3:40:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You hit it on the head—states. Liberals loathe the idea of states’ rights, which they always say is ‘code’ for no civil rights for minorities and/or slavery. (I know it sounds stupid—I live among liberals so you don’t have to, and can tell you that’s what they think.)

Liberals claim to be about ‘a RAINBOW of DIVERSITY’ but that applies strictly to skin color—they hate non-liberal non-whites. Not even conservatives, but those who aren’t liberal.

That’s the insanity about their BS about diversity. They loathe states’ rights when they should be all for states deciding as they wish on so many issues. Hell, if California wants to make it illegal to not be gay, let ‘em, as long as the majority there wants it I DON’T CARE.

Just let MY state and those who think as I do vote to support marriage in THEIR states, and restrict killing babies in THEIR states—hey, that’s true diversity, isn’t it?

Yes, it is—in fact, a nation with strong states’s rights (local control—by The People you lefties are always saying should be in charge) is the definition of a multicultural, diverse nation.

Which, of course, is why they’re against them—because they’re against diversity where it counts—under the skin, not on it.


19 posted on 03/22/2011 3:43:02 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Left FR in 2011, and I ain't comin' back! :P)
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To: TigersEye

All our major media are a Fifth Column propaganda machine not news organizations.

And they must be destroyed.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 3:43:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Have you terrorized a terrorist today?)
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To: TigersEye

All our major media are a Fifth Column propaganda machine not news organizations.

And they must be destroyed.


21 posted on 03/22/2011 3:43:44 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Have you terrorized a terrorist today?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“as a centrist and a lifelong independent “

Bull pucky. This man is no centrist. A fair evaluation of the WI debacle would include at least a mention of the Fleebaggers.

Ignore him, he's a liar.

22 posted on 03/22/2011 3:43:59 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Personally, I don’t care what others (outsiders) think of Governor Walker. He is what we in Wisconsin have NEEDED after many years of “Rats” infesting our capitol (Senate and Assembly).

The Rats have gotten the citizens of Wisconsin sooooooo deep in the hole it will take years of strong, firm political conviction to get us back on track. With support of the senate and assembly, Walker is the man who can make it happen.

If those in the media don’t live in Wisconsin they need to keep their mouths shut and opinions to themselves. I’m sick of hearing their B/S.


23 posted on 03/22/2011 3:48:04 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm so happy that civility has returned.

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24 posted on 03/22/2011 3:48:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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...as a centrist and a lifelong independent...

A centrist professor? Yeah, right!

Eyes rolling...

25 posted on 03/22/2011 3:54:18 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
acting with a similar contempt for those who disagree with him

I thought this article was about Walker, not "We Won" obama.

26 posted on 03/22/2011 4:01:29 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This man’s grasp of history is as tenuous as his grip on reality.


27 posted on 03/22/2011 4:04:42 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does anyone really believe this guy, as a prof at Communist U, is a lifelong independent centrist? LOL.... Probably the democratic communists aren’t far left enough for his tastes.


28 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:08 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA ("Elections have consequences...." Barry O. Thank you Scott Walker and WI Republicans!!)
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To: cripplecreek
Somthing I just noticed about that union crowd...

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"they're all white, all of them, every single one of them is white."

29 posted on 03/22/2011 4:10:06 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why is it that almost all heavy thinking, little doing, liberals have facial hair??????

Ever notice that? Is it there to keep their mouths and chins warm because their brains are cold? Why?

This could open up a whole new course of study and more revenue for colleges and researchers that are funded by the government stimulus money.


30 posted on 03/22/2011 4:22:10 AM PDT by DH (48th TFW, A&E Lakenheath England, 67-70)
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To: DB
"........ the candy bowl is empty and won’t be refilled"

and the CUPBOARD...... was BARE !
31 posted on 03/22/2011 4:24:22 AM PDT by flat
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To: TigersEye

McCarthy also booted “Fighting” Bob LaFollette from Wisconsin’s Senate seat.

He should have streets named after him and a parade in his honor.


32 posted on 03/22/2011 4:25:53 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

McCarthy was right.

There were Soviet agents throughout the State Department and other parts of the United States government.

FDR’s Secretary of State, Alger Hiss, who accompanied him to the Yalta Conference with Churchill and Stalin was a Soviet agent.

That’s high level infilitration.

McCarthy has been successfully demonized by the left.


33 posted on 03/22/2011 4:26:01 AM PDT by reaganator
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ping


34 posted on 03/22/2011 4:31:59 AM PDT by Wuli
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From his bio: “Expert on history of environtment, conservation and environmentalism, U.S. West, frontier, public lands, Wisconsin”

Says it all doesn’t it? He doesn’t need to add Marxism.....it is just there already


35 posted on 03/22/2011 4:44:07 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: gr8eman
I feel sorry for the folks who have literally bought into his fuzzy logic.

I bought one of his books, and by the time I was done reading it I felt pretty sorry for myself.

Mr. niteowl77

36 posted on 03/22/2011 4:49:58 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I don't mind them stewing in their own juices, but I do mind them stewing me in their own juices.)
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as a centrist and a lifelong independent

Sure, I believe that.

37 posted on 03/22/2011 5:00:03 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe I’m missing something, but, I seems to me that if Wisconsin was the first state to embrace that long list of progressive crap that the professor referenced, then they would be the first state to realize that it was a huge mistake when they implemented them. Sounds to me like they are just moving back toward the center.


38 posted on 03/22/2011 5:00:38 AM PDT by fishnsoldier (The second ammendment ensures they don't forget about the others.)
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To: Progov

Amen to that. As my tagline states, I only hope that Wisconsin doesn’t go wobbly under the current assault.


39 posted on 03/22/2011 5:07:39 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Wisconsin taxpayers - don't go wobbly on us now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bloated trough pig with a flare for letter writing. He must be upset that the Cadillac Escalade the taxpayers provide him needs an oil change.


40 posted on 03/22/2011 5:24:49 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I see the University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee is serving fruitcake this morning. It seems to have a surplus of nuts. What flavor Kool-Aid to wash it down?


41 posted on 03/22/2011 5:38:13 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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42 posted on 03/22/2011 5:51:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sergeantdave

Why has nobody, up to this point, stated the obvious (that everything this moron claims about republicans and walker is exactly how the dems and unionistas acted)?

If ever there was a clear case of projection, this article is it. The article could be used as the gold standard for the definition of the term! Of course one would have to remain objective about the situation and not be blind to reality (I think that discounts most libs right out of the chute).


43 posted on 03/22/2011 6:18:57 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oddly, the people of WI will yet be the last to learn that Joe McCarthy was right. Ann Coulter has already told them so; so has the liberal academic Edward Herman. But Bill Clinton was chiding his friend GHWB by telling him how nice it was that “Prescott Bush stood up to Joe McCarthy.”


44 posted on 03/22/2011 6:39:29 AM PDT by Theodore R. (John Boehner just surrendered the only weapon with which he had to fight. What does OH see in him?)
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To: Portcall24

What has facial hair got to do with bad ideas? Who one hangs out with, what one reads, who one follows is an indicator of one’s commie stance; not a beard.


45 posted on 03/22/2011 6:43:31 AM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: Vor Lady

A lot of times the facial hair is a communication, like a uniform.


46 posted on 03/22/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Vor Lady

Just wondering...that was all.


47 posted on 03/22/2011 6:52:48 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Portcall24; yldstrk; Vor Lady

48 posted on 03/22/2011 6:56:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Darkwolf377

I do hear you Darkwolf377.

The left uses “diversity” to camouflage their agenda.

Under the color, gender, religion, race, age, income bracket, nationality, sexual orientation, handicap, you name it “minority” identification marker, there is NO diversity, there is only communism.


49 posted on 03/22/2011 7:05:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: yldstrk

Well my husband of 32 years has been wearing a beard since he got out of the AF and he’s about as far from a commie as one can get. My social circle is made up of educated, conservative people and many of the men wear beards.

This arguement is like saying because one wears red one is a communist. Lenin wore ‘chin pubes’, not a full beard. Stalin wore his famous moustache, Trotsky wore ‘chin pubes’, the communist leaders from Beria to Gorbechev have been clean shaven.

If having a beard is a communication of commie leanings, my church is in trouble. /s


50 posted on 03/22/2011 7:06:03 AM PDT by Vor Lady
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