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Bill Would Allow Guns To Be Carried Uncovered(Fl)
wesh.com ^ | 21 March, 2011 | NA

Posted on 03/22/2011 5:36:03 AM PDT by marktwain

WINTER PARK, Fla. -- In Florida, gun owners can't holster their guns outside of their clothing, but that could change if a piece of legislation turns into law.

It's called "open carry" and it's drawing plenty of attention from advocates and opponents alike.

Charles O'Meara of Shoot Straight, a firearms store, thinks the law would scare those who don't own guns and create opportunities for crime.

"I don't think it's fair to make those people feel uncomfortable, but the bigger part is, what happens when someone walks up behind the gun owner and pulls the gun out of its holster? Now you have someone who should not have one, with a gun in their hands," said O'Meara.

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Under House Bill 517, which has already passed in the House Criminal Justice Subcommittee, a person would need to have a valid concealed weapon or firearm license in order to carry a weapon or firearm openly.

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1 posted on 03/22/2011 5:36:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower

I’ll keep mine concealed, thanks.

Others may look at it differently, but I never want to give away the element of surprise.


2 posted on 03/22/2011 5:42:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I’ll keep mine concealed, thanks.

As is your right. I actually agree with you. Not everyone does, and who gave the government the right to tell them or anyone how they may carry? IMHO that would be an infringement. This law spells that out for semiliterate judges who can't figure out a simple declarative sentence. Everyone who is pro 2A should support it on that basis.

3 posted on 03/22/2011 6:00:25 AM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: Travis McGee

I understand your concern for surprise. But there is another issue here; that of visibly exercising our right to carry so that the public never forgets.

Here in Connecticut we have a carry permit law which covers both concealed and open carry. Some here occasionally carry openly just to emphasize to everyone that we have that right. If we don’t, it’s easy to lose the right over time.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 6:02:59 AM PDT by mcswan
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To: mcswan

I’m glad others feel the way you do. But I’ll be the guy who pulls it out by surprise.


5 posted on 03/22/2011 6:06:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I watched the NRA representative at the Florida Senate Criminal Justice Committee when they were debating this bill. She recounted how a concealed carry holder was waiting in a hospital emergency room for a fishing buddy who had been injured. His concealed gun was in his pocket, but the barrel had worn a hole in his pocket. As a result, about 1/4 inch of the barrel could be seen. A security guard in the emergency room informed the individual and suggested he take the gun to his car. The individual agreed. The security guard had previously called 911, so as the individual exited the emergency room, a swarm of police officers made a felony arrest, threw the poor fellow on the ground and cuffed him. The cuffs were applied so tight that it resulted in nerve damage to the guy’s hands.

In the end, the charges were dropped and he sued and won a civil suit against the officers and the department.

This is an example of why this new law is necessary. The police have no common sense when it comes to accidental firearm exposure.

When all is said and done, only a tiny minority of CCW permit holders will choose to carry openly, but it will protect those of us who conceal carry and accidentally expose our weapons.

Florida will be the 44th state to allow open carry in some form or other. It’s not a problem in the other 43 and won’t be a problem here.


6 posted on 03/22/2011 6:07:33 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: magslinger

I support open carry for everybody who wants to open carry.

Personally, I want mine to come out as a big shock to the guy(s) on the other end of my barrel.


7 posted on 03/22/2011 6:07:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 109ACS

I never said it would be a problem, I support open carry laws.

I want folks to be legally able to carry an AR-15 down the street on a sling.

I’m just not doing it.


8 posted on 03/22/2011 6:09:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; marktwain
I’ll keep mine concealed, thanks.

Me too - almost always - though I can envision numerous situations where being able legally open carry - where we can't now - will be very convenient.

I couldn't believe this:

Charles O'Meara of Shoot Straight, a firearms store, thinks the law would scare those who don't own guns and create opportunities for crime.

"I don't think it's fair to make those people feel uncomfortable, but the bigger part is, what happens when someone walks up behind the gun owner and pulls the gun out of its holster? Now you have someone who should not have one, with a gun in their hands," said O'Meara.

I've given my local Shoot Straight a ton of business over the last few months. I sent them a polite but very firm email noting my extreme displeasure at seeing this jackass employee of theirs shooting his mouth off.

9 posted on 03/22/2011 6:16:57 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: marktwain

I’m a whole heck of a lot more uncomfortable seeing people texting while driving than I would be seeing a holstered firearm. One of those is going to kill innocent citizens.


10 posted on 03/22/2011 6:27:53 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Travis McGee

I respect your decision.

I will carry mine concealed most of the time, but I do intend to carry openly on occasion. I’m currently looking at level-2 retention holsters for my Springfield XDM.

My wife is the manager of a large department store and sometimes gets calls from the alarm company at 2:00 a.m. telling her that an alarm is going off in the store. The last two times I went with her the police hadn’t arrived yet. I would like to be able to grab my pistol and flashlight in the paddle holster and go without having to worry about concealment and finding the right shirt that won’t allow the pistol to be seen.

There are also times when we’ve had a missing child and we need to go looking through the woods to find them. It seems silly to have to hide your pistol inside your britches during these searches.


11 posted on 03/22/2011 6:29:56 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack
I will carry mine concealed most of the time, but I do intend to carry openly on occasion. I’m currently looking at level-2 retention holsters for my Springfield XDM.

I have an XDm (9mm) and two XD Subcompacts (9mm and .40 S&W). My favorite carry gun is my XD 40 Subcompact. Yesterday I received a Serpa CQC and am really happy with how it holds the pistol next to my body, comfort and retention. It comes with both a belt loop and paddle option, but I found the paddle option best for me. The friction fit is adjustable and the trigger guard clip works like a champ. I think this is one option you should look at.

See: http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/xd-m-discussion-room-xd-m/97605-will-blackhawk-serpa-hold-xdm.html

12 posted on 03/22/2011 6:47:51 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: marktwain

I support concealed carry without a permit. Although I would not do it myself, I firmly support open carry.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 6:53:37 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: marktwain

I did the poll and chose yes.

Did not see an option for Hell Yes!


14 posted on 03/22/2011 7:03:45 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: marktwain
I don't accept such a bill as Constitutional...

Being the 2nd Amendment already covers such.

15 posted on 03/22/2011 7:06:37 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: mcswan

I OC whenever I can as we have a lot of NY/NJ transplants here in PA who not only bring their belongings when they move but also their warped ideas about guns.

Seeing guns in the hips of law abiding good people is the only way to change that misperception.

More gun owners need to OC IMO.


16 posted on 03/22/2011 7:06:48 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Travis McGee; All

There is less of a chance you will ever need to pull it out if you OC as BG’s like easy marks.

Do you honestly believe they will go after me, who OC’s?

Or someone like you who appears to be unarmed?


17 posted on 03/22/2011 7:09:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: marktwain
There are states where you can get in trouble for failing to keep your legally owned, licensed and carried gun properly concealed.
Open Carry will eliminate that hassle. I'm all for it.

18 posted on 03/22/2011 7:16:05 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Travis McGee

Forgot to add, would love to see all of the stories of people who OC and are attacked. I always see stories of people who CC and are attacked, but not of those who OC.

Maybe you have seen some. I know I haven’t.

BG’s are lazy....but not entirely stupid. Most do not have death wishes and most will not go after someone openly showing a weapon and who looks loke the know how to use it.


19 posted on 03/22/2011 7:19:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: 109ACS

Thanks for the advice. My normal carry weapon is a Sig P239 SAS in .40 S&W. The nice thing about open carry is that I can carry a larger pistol with higher capacity, like the XDM.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 7:27:05 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


21 posted on 03/22/2011 7:29:10 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower
Here's my next book cover. Won't be long now.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 8:44:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA
There is less of a chance you will ever need to pull it out if you OC as BG’s like easy marks. Do you honestly believe they will go after me, who OC’s? Or someone like you who appears to be unarmed?

That's one way to look at it, and I'm all for you open carrying. But another way of looking at it is, some dirtbag with a $75 .25 caliber Raven might cap you in the back of the head point blank to get the $750 .40 caliber you are advertising.

Say you are at a public venue, walking around for a while. A dozen or more criminals might covet your piece, and decide to follow you into the public men's room, 30 seconds behind. While you're unzipping, BANG, from behind.

Sure, I know, your Magic Ninja Powers mean you have 360* vision, 24/7, so it could NEVER happen.

23 posted on 03/22/2011 8:50:45 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

>I’ll keep mine concealed, thanks.
>
>Others may look at it differently, but I never want to give away the element of surprise.

I can understand that psychologically; however, the “element of surprise” argument is perhaps overrated: the only time it is ever a factor is *after* the shit has hit the fan. {Unless you’re a hit-man, walking up to your mark and using “the element of surprise” to do the deed.} Open carry, on the other hand has been shown to deter crimes by making the otherwise-victim into a more difficult/dangerous target: it is the same effect as when DC home robberies went down after the USSC said in Heller that residents thereof could indeed have firearms for home defense.


24 posted on 03/22/2011 9:27:17 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Travis McGee

I prefer constitutional carry for open and concealed and when it prints under your clothing.


25 posted on 03/22/2011 9:27:37 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: marktwain

Looking good so far.

Do you think open carry should pass?

Do you think open carry should pass?
Choice Votes Percentage of 727 Votes
Yes 553
76%
No 174
24%
Thank you for voting in our survey.


26 posted on 03/22/2011 9:30:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Travis McGee

I agree. Tactically it’s just better to not advertise my weapon in advance of needing it.

Open carry needs to be legal, mainly because it’s practical for those times when carrying concealed I might inadvertantly expose it. It shouldn’t suddenly become illegal. That, and there are a few occasions when it might be useful to have the option to just strap on a holster in the open. Not many, but some. It’s just illogical that if it’s legal when concealed it can be illegal in the open.


27 posted on 03/22/2011 9:30:37 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Darth Reardon
I’m a whole heck of a lot more uncomfortable seeing people texting while driving than I would be seeing a holstered firearm. One of those is going to kill innocent citizens.

Indeed.
If I were on a jury where a person was texting/phoning and almost hit someone crossing the street who then retaliated by shooting that driver I doubt I'd convict -- IMO it would be self defense against attempted vehicular homicide.

28 posted on 03/22/2011 9:40:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I don't accept such a bill as Constitutional...
 
Being the 2nd Amendment already covers such.

Hm, intriguing line of reasoning. However, I will point out that the 2ND Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, does not proscribe any punishment for infractions thereof. {Treason, the only crime defined in the Constitution, does not proscribe a punishment but instead prohibits certain punishments: "corruption of blood" IIRC.}

So, what do you think of US Code Title 18, Part 13, Section 241 which says:

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
 
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
 
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Is it Constitutional or not?
29 posted on 03/22/2011 9:47:02 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Travis McGee
How much of that happened back during the Wild West days when open carry was de rigueur? How much of that happens now with our Military and police forces?

Personally, I feel the benefits of open carry outweigh the potential disadvantages. Retention holster technology has come a long way since the old leather flap and snap days.

I love my Blackhawk CQC, but it still "scares the sheep" up here to see folks carrying openly and honestly.

30 posted on 03/22/2011 10:01:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I will point out that the 2ND Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, does not proscribe any punishment for infractions thereof."

You are confusing the point by assuming carrying a weapon or not carrying a weapon is in violation of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is not a Law wherein such has a remedy for violating it.

The 2nd Amendment affirms we the citizens have a right to defend ourselves by use of arms. Thus a state law saying we are allowed to openly carry a weapon (or carry a concealed one) is redundant and more importantly Unconstitutional being Federal Law Trumps State Law and The Constitution Trumps all.

More precisely: Any Law be it Federal State or Municipal that either hinders or permits a citizen to own or carry a weapon is Unconstitutional. If the Founding Fathers were alive today they would storm Congress and tar and feather every damn Congress Critter condemning them all for their treasonous usurpation of our Founding Documents.

31 posted on 03/22/2011 10:18:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Travis McGee
But another way of looking at it is, some dirtbag with a $75 .25 caliber Raven might cap you in the back of the head point blank to get the $750 .40 caliber you are advertising.

I see these hypotheticals all of the time, but never see any stories to back it up.

I am reminded of Gene Hackman's character in Unforgiven when he says something to the effect of "it's not easy to shoot a man when he is shooting back".

I will say it again. BG's look for easy marks. You can say this isn't so until the cows come home, but facts say otherwise.
32 posted on 03/22/2011 10:26:05 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Travis McGee
Sure, I know, your Magic Ninja Powers mean you have 360* vision, 24/7, so it could NEVER happen.

Where did I even imply such a thing? Your post is insulting.

And I will ask one more time. Show me all of the stories about people who OC getting jumped as per your example.
33 posted on 03/22/2011 10:28:46 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

>>”I will point out that the 2ND Amendment, like the rest of the Constitution, does not proscribe any punishment for infractions thereof.”
>
>You are confusing the point by assuming carrying a weapon or not carrying a weapon is in violation of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is not a Law wherein such has a remedy for violating it.

No, I’m not. There is no punishment for any law (Federal, State, County, Municipality, etc) which does violate the 2nd Amendment: that is, any which infringes on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

>The 2nd Amendment affirms we the citizens have a right to defend ourselves by use of arms.

Agreed.

>Thus a state law saying we are allowed to openly carry a weapon (or carry a concealed one) is redundant and more importantly Unconstitutional being Federal Law Trumps State Law and The Constitution Trumps all.

This is incorrect. Federal law does NOT trump State law; as per the 10th Amendment any law which is outside the explicit scope of the federal government as set forth by the Constitution is contra-constitutional and null and void. {Though [federal] judges will fight this “wrong interpretation” to their dying breath; it would strip them of much power.}

Furthermore, redundancy is a good thing. I live in New Mexico which has in its State Constitution the following:
Art II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense,
for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall
be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate,
in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and
November 2, 1986.)

Using this portion of the State Constitution I can challenge a state law which, say, prohibits firearms on school properties w/o having to take the case into a federal court. But it ALSO means that, should I lose such a suit, I could ‘re-apply’ and challenge it on @nd Amendment issues. It is in this way that redundancy concerning the affirmation of rights, to the exclusion of the legitimacy of [some] laws, is a VERY good thing.

Lastly, the doctrine of “incorporation” is, as applied, a horrible and terrible thing to the states. Why? Because the restrictions as-written in the Bill of Rights *must* have their wording changed in order to apply to the states. Consider the 1st Amendment; it prohibits the Congress from producing laws which, for one, prohibit the exercise of religion*. Most States have a Legislature, which is *NOT* a Congress. But under incorporation the States are held to be barred from passing any law which prohibits religious expression.

* Religious exercise was chosen at random; and is actually likely moot point in regards to incorporation as all the State Constitutions I’ve seen guarantee Freedom of Religion; the real point is that the actual text of the Constitution *MUST* be changed in order to apply to the States as it currently does; and if the Judiciary can declare these changes-in-text to apply to the states then the Judiciary has de facto Amendment power over the Constitution.

>More precisely: Any Law be it Federal State or Municipal that either hinders or permits a citizen to own or carry a weapon is Unconstitutional.

Agreed; though I prefer the term “contra-Constitutional” as ‘unconstitutional’ is so overused as to be rather impotent.

>If the Founding Fathers were alive today they would storm Congress and tar and feather every damn Congress Critter condemning them all for their treasonous usurpation of our Founding Documents.

Quite agreed.
And they’d probably hang the Supreme Court*; a more lawless branch of government does not exist than the Judiciary.

*There are several USSC decisions that are absolutely horrid, like Kelo v. New London, which in effect cancels any 5th Amendment protection from imminent domain. Also, Roe v. Wade can be argued as being Treasonous because: the second amendment afirms that the militia is nessacary to the security of a free state, and the State Constitutions [typically] include all males of 18-45 as being in the militia, so the wholesale slaughter of unborn MALE Citizens from `73 to `93 —all of whom would be militia age by now— which is somewhere between 14.2 million and 16.8 million** of which the militia has been deprived: such deprivation of fighting souls is a traditional aid for enemies (and qualifies for giving aid to the enemies of the States).

** http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html, abortions from `73 to `93 summed and multiplied by .56 (statistically there is a higher probability for conceiving a boy than a girl).


34 posted on 03/22/2011 11:00:03 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Additional protections for our Rights at the State level are just fine. It’s the additional infringements that are unConstitutional.


35 posted on 03/22/2011 11:08:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Red in Blue PA; All
Do you honestly believe they will go after me, who OC’s?

I love the change that has taken place on FR!

There used to be a small crowd here that pushed OC... everyone else was in the "a unconcealed weapon is a death wish" crowd.

I have watched with glee as the transformation started taking place throughout the United States, when people would finally say enough to "political correctness" and grab their Rights back... I even like to think that I helped to accelerate the cause, after we got band of idiotic "open carry" advocates to stand in a field outside of D.C. and announce that no more infringements would be tolerated... we hereby reclaim our Rights.

I do not surrender my "Rights" because another citizen may "feel" one way or the other about how I practice them.

36 posted on 03/22/2011 12:08:13 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: AvOrdVet

When the weather permits, I OC almost everywhere.

People who do not OC would be amazed that probably 98% of the people either do not notice a gun on you, or notice and do not care.

I have been in the supermarket with the gun on my hip and rarely do I even get a glance. Part of this may be due to the fact that I always to to OC when I am clean shaven, relatively well dressed, and do not mind smiling to most everyone I meet, as like it or not, when you OC you represent millions of law abiding gun owners.

Freedom is carrying a gun; freedom is NOT hiding that gun.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Freedom is carrying a gun; freedom is NOT hiding that gun.

Same here, pretty much all feedback I have gotten is positive, Many times if someone does notice, it is good conversation starter.

And by the way, we'll be holding another "Restore the Constitution" Armed Rally in downtown Atlanta this weekend... So keep an eye on the news, as I'm sure there will be many reports of "bad guys" yanking guns out of our holsters... killing us and then committing various heinous crimes with our weapons.

38 posted on 03/22/2011 12:38:41 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: AvOrdVet
Same here, pretty much all feedback I have gotten is positive, Many times if someone does notice, it is good conversation starter.

Me too. I was stopped a couple of times by people who started to talk about their guns. Never a negative thing said though.

And surprisingly, few people even seem to notice the gun at all!

JMHO, but I think part of the reason that people are not threatened when they do see the gun is that it is a Kimber Ultra Crimson 1911. I think if it was a Glock or a "black gun" of some sort, my results may be different as those are the ones usually pictured oon the nightly news. Maybe this isn't the case at all, but that is my theory.
39 posted on 03/22/2011 12:52:12 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I think if it was a Glock or a "black gun" of some sort, my results may be different as those are the ones usually pictured oon the nightly newsNot really

Not really, you gotta remember Glocks are one of the "popular" guns, seems everyone has at least one, especially in my area where Glock has a mfg plant ;-)

Many times it starts as, "Got one, whats your model?".

40 posted on 03/22/2011 1:03:27 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hey, I support your desire to open carry. It’s a free world. But I don’t have Magic Ninja Powers, so I don’t want constantly be looking behind me.

As for examples, you are I hope aware that many cops are killed with their own pistols?

I don’t think a civilian will be less prone to having his plain-view uber-pistol heisted than a uniformed cop.

And it happens to them all the time.


41 posted on 03/22/2011 2:32:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ramius

I agree with all of that.


42 posted on 03/22/2011 2:33:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dead Corpse

Suit yourself. I support open carry for those who want it.


43 posted on 03/22/2011 2:38:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dead Corpse; Ramius

Another addendum to my prior post on being OC bushwacked...the way police sometimes are. You walk into a crowd of people you can’t shoot, they turn aggressive while bumping you, and somebody grabs your OC pistol. Ask OC cops if this scenario worries them. It sure does, and for good reason: it happens!

Next case: the nasty brawling bad guy you told to stop hassling the ladies heads your way to pound your face.

But he sees your OC pistol, and thinks better. So he goes out to his truck and gets his own pistol, shotgun or rifle, and sits in the cab brooding until you come out.

This is just a sample scenario, but the point is it’s tactically stupid to tell an enemy to get out of pistol range, get cover, get a long arm and blow you away from ambush.


44 posted on 03/22/2011 2:44:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 109ACS
The police have no common sense when it comes to accidental firearm exposure.

Fixed it...

45 posted on 03/22/2011 2:47:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: marktwain
It's called “open carry”


I thought it was called “constitutional carry”
46 posted on 03/22/2011 2:52:03 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Travis McGee
And it happens to them all the time

Hmm, don't seem to read about 'em all the time and I must be on the wrong channels because I'm missing them all in my daily perusing... darn high tech cable box thingy. ;-)

47 posted on 03/22/2011 2:56:45 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: AvOrdVet

You really haven’t heard of it? Really?

And it’s not the only reason why OC is tactically stupid.

It may be contitutionally the best thing since sliced bread, but tactically, it’s stupid to warn an enemy to get out of pistol range and kill you from ambush or long range.


48 posted on 03/22/2011 3:05:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PeterPrinciple
I thought it was called “constitutional carry”

"Constitutional Carry" is the unrestricted carry of a firearm as guaranteed by your natural rights.

Open Carry is just a mode of transporting your firearm... "Unrestricted"

49 posted on 03/22/2011 3:07:08 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: AvOrdVet
Not really, you gotta remember Glocks are one of the "popular" guns

With gun owners, yes.

Non-gun owners, not so much.

That's just a theory.....don't mean to get anything started;-)
50 posted on 03/22/2011 3:16:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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