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The Gadhafi precedent: Could attack on Libya set the stage for action against Israel?
Jewish Workd Review ^ | 3/22/2011 | Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

Posted on 03/22/2011 6:14:14 AM PDT by Former Fetus

There are many reasons to be worried about the bridge-leap the Obama administration has just undertaken in its war with Col. Moammar Gadhafi. How it will all end is just one of them.

Particularly concerning is the prospect that what we might call the Gadhafi precedent will be used in the not-too-distant future to justify and threaten the use of U.S. military forces against an American ally: Israel.

Here's how such a seemingly impossible scenario might eventuate:

It begins with the Palestinian Authority seeking a United Nations Security Council resolution that would recognize its unilateral declaration of statehood.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hiddenagenda; israel; libya; power; r2p; soros; un; us
A chilling possibility, but definitely not impossible. Please, pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for the quick return of Jesus!
1 posted on 03/22/2011 6:14:22 AM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus
Please, pray...for the quick return of Jesus!

And for the quick exit of obama!

2 posted on 03/22/2011 6:17:11 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Salvey

I think that the American public would rise up if Obama and his pals, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice and Hitlery,tried to do such a thing to Israel. Enough is enough.


3 posted on 03/22/2011 6:19:56 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Former Fetus

Thyree years ago I would have told you that such a scenario was impossible. I can’t say that anymore.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 6:19:56 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry ("I've got tiger blood and Adonis DNA!")
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To: Former Fetus

Personally I pray for the dissolution of the UN everyday. One “H” of a lot of problems we confront are because of the advances made in our lives by the World busybody.

UN out of the US, and vice versa.


5 posted on 03/22/2011 6:21:21 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Former Fetus
Which brings us back to the roll of Congress in authorizing the use of military force, which it did not with Libya. Obama does not derive his authority from the UN, he derives it from the Constitution and the War Powers Act which defined the limits of that authority into public law.

Obama did not get the backing of Congress. His actions were illegal. I'm waiting for the Repubs to see which way the wind blows and make a stand. The lunatic left has actually made the right call on this. What are the odds of that?

6 posted on 03/22/2011 6:22:58 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Former Fetus; xzins

I have been saying this for the last three days. If Obama can unilaterally order a military action against Libya to protect radical Muslim rebels, then he could also order a strike against Israel to protect the rebels in Gaza.

Obama did not even consult with congress, much less obtain their approval before starting this war. He violated the 1973 War Powers Actt and is acting like a military dictator. He needs to be impeached.


7 posted on 03/22/2011 6:24:04 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Former Fetus
Yes, if the Israeli gov't morphs into a ruthless dictatorship (like Iraq or Libya or Iran) which kills opponents of the regime and part of Israel rebels to overhtrow that dictatorship and the Israeli dictatorship then begins military operations and starts wholesale slaughter of a large portion of its own population, then yes, I think there could be some organized international intervention.
Would that be a good thing or a bad thing?
8 posted on 03/22/2011 6:32:40 AM PDT by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Former Fetus

America wouldn’t have to attack Israel; we’d simply stop sending the spare parts Israel’s advanced, made in the USA weapons needs. Modern aircraft, tanks, and artillery have a long, long logistical “tail.”


9 posted on 03/22/2011 6:33:34 AM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Former Fetus

Not far fetched at all. Israel however is no Lybia. The insane Female Communists in the Obama Administration are very capable of this type of action.


10 posted on 03/22/2011 6:33:38 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: P-Marlowe

Obama is betting that he can do anything he wants without any constitutional authority, and no one will be able to stop him. He is probing the limits. So far so good for him. 70% of the public favors his action in Libya. He is inspired by Hugo Chavez.


11 posted on 03/22/2011 6:34:20 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Former Fetus

I worry that the US will be fully occupied elsewhere and not be capable of responding when Israel is finally attacked, and that this is the plan, and the zer0 is in on it.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 6:34:37 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Former Fetus

It would be political suicide. Washington would come apart at the seams and quite frankly I’m not certain how the military would respond to such a command.

Talk about a firestorm.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 6:35:04 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Former Fetus

Who will intervene on our side when we go to boot Obama out of the White House?


14 posted on 03/22/2011 6:36:34 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Former Fetus

Most of Israel appears to be out of range of Libyan missiles.

However, Israel DID deploy Arrow anti-missile systems towards Libya (and Iran) back in the late 1990’s. When I read the news article I thought “well, they can at least read Ezekiel 38”.

I do not know if those batteries are still deployed in that manner.


15 posted on 03/22/2011 6:41:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Former Fetus
Particularly concerning is the prospect that what we might call the Gadhafi precedent will be used...

...ever again.

16 posted on 03/22/2011 6:41:07 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: nobel peace prize winner, warmonger, golfer.)
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To: Former Fetus

This scenario or anything similar would quickly lead to nuclear war. Iran, Syria, Egypt, Turkey and Lebanon would take it as their cue to attack Israel. The missile bombardment of Israeli cities by these players would lead inexorably to the use of nuclear weapons by Israel against military targets in several ME countries and be quickly followed by nuclear strikes on several cities. In such a conflagration Israeli forces would take a dim view of any UN peacekeeping forces and would attack any such forces unmercifully. The IDF is not in any way similar to the weak forces of other ME nations that UN forces have come up against before.

No one can defeat Israel, the absolute best that could ever be achieved would be to die along with her. Only maniacs attack nations with strategic thermonuclear capabilities.


17 posted on 03/22/2011 6:41:13 AM PDT by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: juliej

Why would they rise up? They didn’t rise up when a previous liberal president bombed a Christian country named Serbia.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 6:42:54 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: Former Fetus

All nations come against Israel in Zechariah 12 and 14.

What happens to them is recorded there as well as other places.

Of course, the majority of the world laughs it off as “nonsense”.

Which is exactly why it will happen. Someday (under the AC leading the world).


19 posted on 03/22/2011 6:43:19 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bereanway
It would be political suicide. Washington would come apart at the seams and quite frankly I’m not certain how the military would respond to such a command.

Here is a possible scenario:

First, my premise: Obama hates America and is trying to destroy this country. One way to do that would be to attack Israel. Political suicide? Sure. Would Washington come apart at the seams? You bet. Would some parts of the US military openly rebel against other parts of the US military? I think so.

He doesn't have to win any sort of war. He doesn't have to stay in office. He doesn't have to have any sort of "success" at all. But by initiating the action, Obama would rock this country and destroy any foundation of trust in government and society. A huge amount of damage would be done.

I think it's quite likely. Because he is here to destroy what others have built.

20 posted on 03/22/2011 7:00:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Former Fetus

Thats insane. Congress would never stand for it and neither would the American public.


21 posted on 03/22/2011 7:05:22 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bereanway

There were a few of us who objected when SErbia was bombed. The problem was that the public at large did not realize what was happening.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 7:07:15 AM PDT by juliej
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To: MrInvisible

The Serbs did little to defend their image. Now, I see that Hollywood is filled with anti-Semitic/anti-Israeli movies which will hopefully bomb at the office. Image is important. Devout Christians know the truth.


23 posted on 03/22/2011 7:08:53 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Former Fetus

The Libyan Rule says we can attack anyone, anywhere, if the Europeans want us to. So...how much do Europeans love Israel? Hmmm?


24 posted on 03/22/2011 7:11:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: juliej

No wonder our foreign policy is incoherent. It is being run by women (including Obama).


25 posted on 03/22/2011 7:20:32 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Former Fetus

Come Lord, America will be destroyed if it turns its back on Israel in these days...Obammas goal..Hatred of Christian and Jews, ultimately God himself..Ohbamma has the antichrist demeanor, liar, hatred against God’s people, willing to destroy all in this hatred...in some masquerade to prove himself as worthy...


26 posted on 03/22/2011 7:31:58 AM PDT by aces
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To: juliej

What are those movies?


27 posted on 03/22/2011 7:33:59 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: aces; Mr Rogers

I don’t understand this pre-occupation with Israel. I’m a Christian too and I support Israel’s right to exist. But - I get the feeling that some people seem to almost deify the country and use it as a “rubber stamp” to elicit approval for whatever it is they’re supporting.

For instance, if military action can some way benefit Israel then we should send our children off to war. I don’t understand that.

And I’ve heard the Scripture quoted about blessing Abraham. But - since 1948, we’ve supported Israel, giving them military hardware, going to war in part to support them and bankrolling them, where is the US now? The US is virtually bankrupt, our cities are littered with dangerous no-go zones, the gov is out of control, divorce rate is high, Christians have been pushed to the back of the buss, US demographics show the US will turn into a 3rd world non-Constitutional entity in 25 years, etc.

Why is it that just about every major US politician “has to” go to Israel first before they run for President or even the Senate I suppose? Why not visit Poland or Austria?

As far as I can remember, it appeared Jesus was especially impressed with the faith of the Roman (Italian). I think we have to look at Jesus as transnational, I don’t think you can say Jesus = Israel or any country. Am I wrong or missing something here?


28 posted on 03/22/2011 7:44:58 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

I understand your point of view, The Jewish society at the time did not treat Christ to well, but when God makes promises, he keeps them..and so that is the basis of my post..I believe that when countries choose not to help Israel, they choose a losing cursed side..just my point of view , respect yours..


29 posted on 03/22/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by aces
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To: Former Fetus

Boy, flying an F-15E, Mirage, or Rafale on a strike against Israel would be ... exciting. I don’t think the cruise missiles or stealth aircraft would catch the IAF on the ground.


30 posted on 03/22/2011 8:09:51 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

It is not in our best interest to take on Israel, and Obama better to be sure to know what he is doing, here, there would be no escape, and I don’t think our military will go along with Obama.....they would tell him to shove it up the dark side of that moon


31 posted on 03/22/2011 8:25:59 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: MrInvisible

Munich, Mirall (by the detestable Julian Schnabel) and a Brit movie about how terrible the Stern Gang was and makes no mention of the fact that the Mufti (Arafat’s uncle) was allied with the Nazis. Yes, Israel is the new Hollyweird villain. It is ok to demonize the Serbs and also Israelis. Shame on the movie industry.


32 posted on 03/22/2011 8:28:35 AM PDT by juliej
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To: achilles2000

and he is a girly man!


33 posted on 03/22/2011 8:29:55 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Former Fetus

The day the United States betrays Israel will be the day God loses all interest in doing anything for it.


34 posted on 03/22/2011 9:45:08 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: RoadTest

Not to sound peevish, but is that really true? As mentioned in my previous post, look at the state of the US today. The nation’s finances are near insolvency, demographic takeover is nearly complete and the US will be morphed into 3rd world status that doesn’t respect the US Constitution, divorce is high, 48 million are on food stamps, etc. How do you arrive at this conclusion?


35 posted on 03/22/2011 11:35:58 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

More specifically, what do you mean by “betray”? What does that look like?


36 posted on 03/22/2011 11:37:08 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible
For instance, if military action can some way benefit Israel then we should send our children off to war. I don’t understand that.
I'm a Jew and a revisionist-Zionist and find that argument silly. We should go to war based on our interests, not that of Israel. To often politicians unwilling to make a case of US interest or oil interest will make it about Israel. Those who do so are not friends of Israel.

And I’ve heard the Scripture quoted about blessing Abraham. But - since 1948, we’ve supported Israel, giving them military hardware, going to war in part to support them and bankrolling them, where is the US now? The US is virtually bankrupt, our cities are littered with dangerous no-go zones, the gov is out of control, divorce rate is high, Christians have been pushed to the back of the buss, US demographics show the US will turn into a 3rd world non-Constitutional entity in 25 years, etc.
The US imposed an arms embargo on Israel in 1948, while the Arabs had US arms. The US did not really sell weapons to Israel until after 1967. I can't think of an instance where the US has gone to war for Israel and not US interest, and it has always cost Israel.
While I agree with much of the rest here, God gives us free will to elect evil, mendacious and stupid leaders and to let evil greedy swine define our culture. You want to see protection? The Cascadia subduction zone has not given us a major earthquake in 250 years. The New Madrid fault line in the Mississippi gave us an earthquake in 1806, not 1900 or 2000. Yellowstone has not erupted.

Why is it that just about every major US politician “has to” go to Israel first before they run for President or even the Senate I suppose? Why not visit Poland or Austria?
Because a lot of American Protestants care about Israel. I'd like to see them go to Poland.

37 posted on 03/22/2011 12:11:32 PM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: juliej
I think that the American public would rise up if Obama and his pals, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice and Hitlery,tried to do such a thing to Israel. Enough is enough.

They wouldn't have to do that much ..... just deny Israel resupply and help that the Izzies have received in the past. The Arabs would roll over them after they ran out of ammo.

I just hope they laid a lot in, back in the good days.

38 posted on 03/22/2011 1:01:26 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Bobalu
Only maniacs attack nations with strategic thermonuclear capabilities.

Israel is nuclear-armed. But thermonuclear? I've never heard. That is a quantum leap in destructiveness, up into the megaton range. (The kiloton range is bad enough, ask the Japanese .... and the bombs they saw were at the low end of what is called tactical yield these days.)

39 posted on 03/22/2011 1:04:08 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: rmlew
I'd like to see them go to Poland.

That's what the bad guys in the U.N. have in mind for us.

Forget Israel, the one they'd like to intervene in and bust up is the United States. A "final solution" for all those clear-eyed, stiff-backed Americans of European extraction, or whatever the academics are calling us now, as they work the vocabulary around to "settlers" -- as in, "one settler, one bullet".

40 posted on 03/22/2011 1:08:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: MrInvisible

The nation’s finances are near insolvency, demographic takeover is nearly complete and the US will be morphed into 3rd world status that doesn’t respect the US Constitution, divorce is high, 48 million are on food stamps, etc. How do you arrive at this conclusion?

Ronald Reagan told Israel tom take its troops out of Lebanon. Our Secretaries of stste have pushed Israel into giving up land and stopping building house on their land.

We’re not acting like a friend to Israel.


41 posted on 03/22/2011 3:26:00 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

thanks Former Fetus.

additional:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2693048/posts


42 posted on 03/22/2011 5:54:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
That's what the bad guys in the U.N. have in mind for us.

I was talking about American politicians visiting Poland, a nation recently liberated from the communists.

Forget Israel, the one they'd like to intervene in and bust up is the United States. A "final solution" for all those clear-eyed, stiff-backed Americans of European extraction, or whatever the academics are calling us now, as they work the vocabulary around to "settlers" -- as in, "one settler, one bullet".
We are doing a good job of it ourselves. Check out demographics. Our elites have elected a new people.

43 posted on 03/22/2011 10:34:16 PM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: Former Fetus
A comment from a related article link about Obama's foreign policy advisor.

--Samantha Powers was bounced off of the Obama campaign for rabidly anti-Israel views, and was reinstated after his election; that's an outrage in itself. The fact that this crackpot has such enormous influence on American foreign policy is a disgrace. She once suggested that American military power be used against Israel to protect the Palestinians. She's a menace.--(Don Rodrigo)

link

44 posted on 03/25/2011 5:51:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
The anti-Israel Samantha Powers is married to Cass Sunstein who is fingered virtually daily by Glenn Beck as one of the two most dangerous men in America. This fascist/commie mole is Obama's unelected regulatory czar, anti-gun and the whole ditto ball of wax.

This is not a DC "power couple". They are a DC elitist POWER-MAD couple living high off the hog on incestuous salaries emanating from OUR depleted pocketbooks, both are globalists and each is out to destroy our nation's sovereignty.

Powers and Sunstein are typical of the types that surround AND HAVE THE EAR OF the faux president illegally occupying the White House.

Leni

45 posted on 03/25/2011 6:21:48 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: Former Fetus

Down with the Palestinian movement. Pray for Israel.


46 posted on 03/25/2011 6:27:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Former Fetus

Actually, that makes some of the more recent moves make sense.


47 posted on 03/25/2011 6:31:56 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

When you step back to the whole “God v Satan” battle,
a lot more makes sense about the world and why people do the things they do.

The left is openly working for the dark side against God and His people.


48 posted on 03/25/2011 6:33:41 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MinuteGal
Power is very anti-Israel. from (2008) article regarding Obama's choice in advisers.

Samantha Power and Obama's Foreign Policy Team

...Power also advocates that America send armed military forces, "a mammoth protection force" and an "external intervention", to impose a settlement between Israel and the Palestinians.

...Power would desire -- then the alternative would be for the United States to take a confrontational attitude toward Israel, so as to be seen as standing up for the Palestinians. Given her inclination to view Israel as guilty of war crimes she would probably look favorably on such an approach towards the Israelis and Palestinians.

...Power appears to support slashing, if not eliminating, military aid to our ally (surrounded by 300 million people who wish to destroy her) and giving it to the Palestinians, whose charters (whether the Hamas or Fatah version) advocate the destruction of Israel.

....Power's views on the problems caused by the US-Israel relationship also place her in the same camp as Zbigniew Brzezinski and George Soros (an influential supporter of Barack Obama's), who also oppose the so-called "Israel lobby" and reject the participation of American supporters of Israel, including Christians, in the foreign policy discussion. Power writes of her willingness to:

"alienat[e] a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing...billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel's military, but actually investing in the state of Palestine."

sorry for long post, It is eye opening who is actually making decisions for this country
49 posted on 03/25/2011 6:45:02 AM PDT by opentalk
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