Atheist Wants Creationism Teacher Fired

****There are more Phd level scientists named Steve than are on that list.****

Is that surprising? They get indoctinated with theory of evolution throughout their education....no other alternatives allowed, no critical thinking allowed.. they aren’t even presented with the shortcomings of the theory (and believe me when I say they are legion.)

College science professors who are skeptical of the theory have been fired, demoted and lost tenure. Allmendream...If you believed something that would get you fired would you come out publicly or would you “go along to get along”?

There are many, many more than this that are privately skeptical.... and you can’t ignore this list, doctoral degrees from schools like MIT, Harvard, Oxford, Columbia....I’m sure you didn’t do more than give the list a cursory glance.

Yeah, right now they are a little bit like a Chihuahua barking at a Great Dane. Does that automatically make them wrong allmendream because the don’t subscribe to groupthink?

****No, that is not correct. Short muzzles do not exist in the wolf, but they do exist in the bull mastiff.****

This does not violate in any way the reality that God created “according to their kinds” and that He created variability in each of those kinds. Natural Selection would not in any way rule out wolves losing the capacity to pass on the “short muzzle” after initially having done so.

****Mutations CHANGE the “information” in the genome. Research all you want to.****

This isn’t a very good effort on your part, allmendream.
Change requires less information or more information. If its less information it proves my point. If its more information there has to be an intelligent entity providing it (as I noted, this is a law in information science).... mutations do not add information (this is empirical) and natural selection can only select from existing traits (this is also empirical). If you are saying there is new information you have to provide me with the source.

****A pedigree? Is he a dog?****

This is what you’ve got, huh allmendream....what next, are you going to call me poopooface and take your ball and go home?

****What the Pope said has bearing on your ridiculous strawman that to accept Evolution is to be an atheist.****

I never intended to imply that.... it is most certainly not the case. I guess because I saved a few keystrokes and typed Atheists/Evolutionists rather than Atheists & Evolutionists you inferred that. Sorry to have done that.

****Can you make a reasoned argument against a scientific theory without arguing against atheism?****

I believe I’ve done just that. My arguments have been based in science and problems with the evolutionary theory... I’ve brought up God as Creator to explain reality.

Allmendream, you are probably a nice guy in real life. Your conviction about the theory of evolution was at one time shared by many who decided to step back and look at what they were taught and critically examine it. When they did they found too much complexity in life and too much conjecture and assumption in the theory of evolution.

I’ll throw one more thing at you here... I’ve posted it before on FR several years ago, so in essence I’m quoting myself. The question is, how can an animal with this morphology (I can cite many other similar examples) have evolved?

The Bull Giraffe goes, on average, about 18’ tall. His neck, again on average, is about 6’ long. In order to pump blood against gravity up 6’ of neck to his brain requires a heart like a jackhammer. The giraffe’s heart is about 2.5’ long.

So now this giraffe has got the heart pounding like sledge hammer and decides to bend down and get a drink. With the pump now going with gravity instead of against it, he has just blown his brains out.....but....in his arteries are little valves that shut down the flow of blood as he is bending over. The last valve though (and only the last valve) stays open and shoots the last squirt of blood into a sponge-like membrane that just happens to reside underneath the giraffe’s brain and absorbs the blood.

This, of course is extremely fortunate for the giraffe. As he’s drinking, he senses a predator and stands up quickly to run away. He then, from standing too quickly and having no blood flowing in his brain, passes out and gets eaten by the predator...but....this doesn’t happen because as he stands up, the sponge shoots blood to the brain, the valves reopen to resume the blood flow and the giraffe can flee the predator.

Michael Behe has referred to this in his book “Darwin’s Black Box” as irreducible complexity. In order for this morphology to work, all of the pieces have to be present at the same time.

The neck without the heart....dead.
The heart without the neck....dead.
The neck without the valves....dead.
All of the above without the sponge....dead.

In other words, the morphology of the giraffe requires that:

1. A jackhammer heart
2. A 6 foot long neck
3. Valves in the arteries that close when he’s bending (except the last one) and open when he’s standing.
4. A sponge under his brain

all be present at the same time or he’s dead meat. Or to put it another way, extinct. Is it more likely that the giraffe just happened to evolve all of these things at the exact same time or that he was created that way?

It’s a really simple question. Please try to answer respectfully.... I know you’ve got it in you.

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