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Why Do We Let Them Dress Like That?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/19/2011 | JENNIFER MOSES

Posted on 03/22/2011 3:50:08 PM PDT by iowamark

Women of a liberated generation wrestle with their eager-to-grow-up daughters—and their own pasts

...In a few years, their attention will turn to the annual ritual of shopping for a prom dress, and by then their fashion tastes will have advanced still more. Having done this now for two years with my own daughter, I continue to be amazed by the plunging necklines, built-in push-up bras, spangles, feathers, slits and peek-a-boos. And try finding a pair of sufficiently "prommish" shoes designed with less than a 2-inch heel...

A woman I know, with two mature daughters, said, "If I could do it again, I wouldn't even have slept with my own husband before marriage. Sex is the most powerful thing there is, and our generation, what did we know?"

We are the first moms in history to have grown up with widely available birth control, the first who didn't have to worry about getting knocked up. We were also the first not only to be free of old-fashioned fears about our reputations but actually pressured by our peers and the wider culture to find our true womanhood in the bedroom. Not all of us are former good-time girls now drowning in regret—I know women of my generation who waited until marriage—but that's certainly the norm among my peers.

So here we are, the feminist and postfeminist and postpill generation. We somehow survived our own teen and college years (except for those who didn't), and now, with the exception of some Mormons, evangelicals and Orthodox Jews, scads of us don't know how to teach our own sons and daughters not to give away their bodies so readily. We're embarrassed, and we don't want to be, God forbid, hypocrites...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clothes; daughters; dress; fashion; feminist; postfeminist; rush; rushlimbaugh; sex; talkradio; women
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1 posted on 03/22/2011 3:50:09 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: iowamark

“If I could do it again, I wouldn’t even have slept with my own husband before marriage. Sex is the most powerful thing there is, and our generation, what did we know?”

Exactly right


2 posted on 03/22/2011 3:51:45 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: iowamark
Why Do We Let Them Dress Like That?

I don't.

3 posted on 03/22/2011 3:53:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I’ll wager that this woman voted for Bill Clinton twice. Isn’t there some Bible verse about reaping and sowing?


4 posted on 03/22/2011 3:54:58 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

I was going to make a pun about raping and blowing, but, I thought better of it...


5 posted on 03/22/2011 3:56:10 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: iowamark

You can usually find decent (ie, modest) clothing on ebay and bonanza.com. Especially the retro swimsuits, they’re very attractive. Wider choice of styles than you’ll find in most stores, and often better construction too.


6 posted on 03/22/2011 3:56:16 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: iowamark
I wouldn't want us to return to the age of the corset ...

The author seems not to understand that the corset was personal torture in the service of generating male lust. Think of it as a Victorian equivalent of 4-inch heels.

7 posted on 03/22/2011 3:56:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: iowamark
"If I could do it again, I wouldn't even have slept with my own husband before marriage."

That would be impossible. He wouldn't have been your husband before marriage.

8 posted on 03/22/2011 3:56:32 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“If I could do it again, I wouldn’t even have slept with my own husband before marriage”

Me Neither!


9 posted on 03/22/2011 3:57:38 PM PDT by y6162
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Oooh, thanks! I was able to find some decent clothes for my 11-year-old at Walmart, but my 13-year-old needs adult sizes. Maybe I can find something secondhand for less than new items in the Land’s End catalog.


10 posted on 03/22/2011 3:58:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: iowamark

skanks raising sluts,

who saw that coming?

Oh wait


11 posted on 03/22/2011 3:59:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: iowamark

I see women who are old enough to be grandmothers and dressed like teen age trollops.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 4:01:15 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Tax-chick

Am Vets baby, or Goodwill. I am a convert to the thrift store. Don’t knock it. (Actually, I just got a pair of Land’s End jeans, perfect condition, $5.00)


13 posted on 03/22/2011 4:02:47 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: iowamark

Never trust anyone over thirty. That was the mantra of the 60’s generation. Now that they are all pushing 60 they find out how really stupid they were.........


14 posted on 03/22/2011 4:03:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: fhayek

I often find clothes at The Salvation Army, but it’s harder to find girls’ items in this area. And you have to keep going back until something right is in stock, unlike ordering from a catalog.


15 posted on 03/22/2011 4:04:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, persistence is the key if want to be a thrift store diva.


16 posted on 03/22/2011 4:05:09 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Tax-chick

My wife and I were shopping in Pennys this weekend. They had hotpants on the rack, apparently back in fashion....


17 posted on 03/22/2011 4:06:28 PM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: Tax-chick

P.S. I have four daughters. Next January 13th, I will have four TEENAGE daughters. They are truly great kids. But good luck with getting them into thrift store threads.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:01 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: iowamark
"If I could do it again, I wouldn't even have slept with my own husband before marriage. Sex is the most powerful thing there is, and our generation, what did we know?"

Yep.

Boobs are everywhere! What used to be reserved for the occasional cocktail dress is now everyday wear, even on TV anchors, day and night. What these women don't seem to get is that by making cleavage omnipresent, it becomes . . . well omnipresent. I.e., part of the background. Ho Hum.

Feminists and liberals completely missed the fact that by making sex ubiquitous, to the point of literally shoving it in kids' faces from an early age and 24/7, they would completely empty it, not only of any emotional meaning, but even of any ability to titilate. That is why the constant exposure to pornography, at whatever level, eventually leads to the requirement for more and more perversion to achieve the initial response. It used to be a wondrous thing to -- finally! -- see your loved one's naked body. Now . . . so what. A few decades ago I was travelling in Denmark and amazed at the nude magazine covers that were everywhere, say at newstands at the train station. I asked a Danish friend if people weren't at all concerned about how such constant exposure to sex and nudity (which, essentially, is what we are exposed to in our culture today---women really do often wear very little clothes) might affect the children. My friend's response was something along the lines of "by letting kids see nudity from an early age, they'll be less curious about it and less turned on by it later." Like . . . that's a good thing? Emotionally dulling is a good thing? But that's where we are. It's quaint to think of our mothers saying "leave something to the imagination" -- but how right they were.

19 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:16 PM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: iowamark
The article seems to be more about that mom's guilt about her own past than angst about her daughter's generation.

For grins I googled "prom dress pictures 2011" and almost all I saw looked pretty classy. A few fell into the slutware category, but a girl would have to be looking for it.

20 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:26 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: iowamark

I didn’t let my daughters dress like that-not when they were 2 or 12 or teens. There is something to be said for developing a sense of modesty at an early age.


21 posted on 03/22/2011 4:07:38 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Red Badger

22 posted on 03/22/2011 4:10:14 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: fhayek

Oof, God bless you! I have three daughters: one is 20 and wears a Coast Guard uniform (or jeans and a Coast Guard t-shirt); the others are 13 and 11. They’ll wear thrift-store clothes if we can find something that fits, but only The Salvation Army is close, and we don’t have a lot of time to dig through their stock looking for really-small adult items; stock tends toward extra-large!


23 posted on 03/22/2011 4:10:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: fhayek

Yeah, the thrill of the thrift! I love it, my kitchen is mostly furnished with thrift items that I bought for pennies on the dollar.


24 posted on 03/22/2011 4:11:32 PM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Tax-chick

At one point we gave up and put our daughters in boys jeans.


25 posted on 03/22/2011 4:11:51 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That’s great advice. At one time there were very few options, but it’s amazing what one can find online.


26 posted on 03/22/2011 4:16:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I wore my brother’s jeans, until the Hips hit me. I couldn’t find any jeans larger than little-girls’ size 8 that weren’t “low-rise.” If Sears doesn’t have them, I’ll have to measure and catalog-shop. They need one pair for camping (although I manage to camp in a dress ...)


27 posted on 03/22/2011 4:17:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: fightinJAG

Well said.


28 posted on 03/22/2011 4:17:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tax-chick

If you are the father of four teenage daughter, you will have no hair, no money and no liver.


29 posted on 03/22/2011 4:17:42 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

I’ll have four teenage sons at once, eventually. Having four sons under ten has already strained my liver.


30 posted on 03/22/2011 4:19:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: iowamark

In the words of Boomer icon Holden Caulfield: Sleep tight, ya morons!


31 posted on 03/22/2011 4:20:45 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: iowamark

In 2002 my daughter was getting Confirmed and graduating from 8th grade and needed two modest outfits. We spent virtually an entire day at the local mall searching for ANYTHING! We finally found a dress with spaghetti straps with a jacket and a sweater and skirt combination. I was shocked at how little was available even then that was appropriate. Wish I’d thought about a thrift store then!!


32 posted on 03/22/2011 4:21:35 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: Tax-chick; forgotten man

I see women who are old enough to be grandmothers and dressed like teen age trollops.
forgotten man
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Excuse me! I resemble Your remark,
BTW...that’s all I could find at the Thrift Stores!!
/S

Taxc - I had the same problem shopping at Thrift Stores when I lived on the mainland. Here in Hawai’i there’s plenty of small items!!! FUN.


33 posted on 03/22/2011 4:22:38 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: PapaBear3625
At one point we gave up and put our daughters in boys jeans.

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My poor father had five daughters. He was a career military man (Navy). We have pictures of us when we were kids wearing party dresses and boy's black, high-top basketball shoes. He was tough.

34 posted on 03/22/2011 4:22:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

For one they knew the man wasn’t their husband,
that fornication is wrong, that they wouldn’t have it to do over again.
“what did we know?”, more “what did we care?”. Now it’s buyers remorse.


35 posted on 03/22/2011 4:23:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: iowamark

Because if we don’t let them dress that way, they will kick out ass.


36 posted on 03/22/2011 4:24:54 PM PDT by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: fhayek; Tax-chick

See if there is a Junior League re-sale store in your town. I’ve never been to the one over in Worcester, but I’ve heard they have lovely clothes. I’d think you’d have a good chance of finding Land’s End, or Eddie Bauer clothes there.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 4:25:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Red Badger

...They had hotpants on the rack, apparently back in fashion....

They are called “Daisy Dukes” nowadays, sheesh!


38 posted on 03/22/2011 4:27:21 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: iowamark
and our generation, what did we know?"

"We", knew better, that's what we knew.

39 posted on 03/22/2011 4:27:21 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: frithguild

My kids had better be well prepared if they want to kick my ass. They need to sleep sometime, and after 33 years in the Army, I can go a long time without sleep.


40 posted on 03/22/2011 4:29:21 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: fightinJAG

I asked a Danish friend if people weren’t at all concerned about how such constant exposure to sex and nudity (which, essentially, is what we are exposed to in our culture today-—women really do often wear very little clothes) might affect the children. My friend’s response was something along the lines of “by letting kids see nudity from an early age, they’ll be less curious about it and less turned on by it later.” Like . . . that’s a good thing? Emotionally dulling is a good thing?

*******

#183 on the list = Denmark

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=da&v=25

The USA is at #153, and the Red States are what keep that high.


41 posted on 03/22/2011 4:31:20 PM PDT by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we revolt.)
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To: fightinJAG
Boobs are everywhere! What used to be reserved for the occasional cocktail dress is now everyday wear, even on TV anchors, day and night. What these women don't seem to get is that by making cleavage omnipresent, it becomes . . . well omnipresent. I.e., part of the background. Ho Hum.

Hubby and I were discussing this while watching "Red Eye" the other night. One of the usual lady guests was on, and she must have been going out on the town right after that taping, because she was wearing a dress with the most decolletage I've ever seen on a chat show. Hubby asked if I thought it looked a little slutty, and I said that was par for the course for cocktail and formal wear these days. I wouldn't wear it, but you're hard put to find a dress for a woman, for a formal occasion, without that kind of neckline. The only exception might be "Mother of the Bride or Groom" dresses, but even some of those get a little risque, in my opinion!

But I've also noticed that many news anchorettes wear tops that are WAY too low for my taste. I can see how guys might have a hard time paying attention to what they're saying! I've even seen women at banks and in ostensibly professional positions dressed like that. It is UN-professional, as far as I'm concerned.

42 posted on 03/22/2011 4:32:10 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: wbarmy

Thank you for your service, FRiend.


43 posted on 03/22/2011 4:32:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Tax-chick

Old Navy has high-rise (”classic fit”) jeans for women. They appear to have non-low-rise jeans for girls on their website.


44 posted on 03/22/2011 4:35:16 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Tax-chick

My only little girl (asfter 3 boys) in still in my belly and dressed just fine for now... But I am going to have to keep talking to her about tsnius (modesty) from age 3 on, how she has to dress, because it’s going to be so tempting for her to dress like her friends...

A huge, huge point in the article is how none of the adult women EVER wished that they had spent MORE time experimenting with sex when they were younger. This is a VERY important point to tell young girls. Mostly they will later REGRET all those crazy things. Nearly every girl will be attractive to a horny boy. It is NO ACHIEVEMENT on the girl’s part. I don’t think young girls dying to get boys after them know this.


45 posted on 03/22/2011 4:35:38 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Tax-chick

Neither did I.

We have trouble now buying decent clothing for the 6 YO gdaughter. The shorts are mostly Daisy Dukes and shirts show belly and have spaghetti straps, making them look like little hos. For SIX year olds!


46 posted on 03/22/2011 4:35:46 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom
We have been buying boy blue jeans for the younger girls. (We live on ranch-land in AZ and they are not going out there in dresses.) They don't ride as low as the girl jeans and last longer. Even my oldest girl would rather wear those than the girl hip hugger jeans. But she is a prude and will only wear the pants when none of her friends are around. Dresses every where else.
47 posted on 03/22/2011 4:39:12 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Oh, excellent! I’ll have a look there next time I’m in that area. (The Old Navy is near the PetsMart, a regular destination!)


48 posted on 03/22/2011 4:39:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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To: iowamark

We’ve lost any sense of modesty or propriety in this country. I see sloppy bare dress even in church. True, God wants us to show up for worship but there is no longer a sense of respect or honor. Is it out of ignorance or just not caring?

Take a look at the People of Walmart site to see what I mean. Or the so-called “First Lady.” We’ve lost our minds.


49 posted on 03/22/2011 4:41:31 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SuziQ

There is one! It’s uptown somewhere, but I could plan a visit there along with a trip to the Boy Scouts store.


50 posted on 03/22/2011 4:42:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nadie me ama como Jesus.)
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