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Bill limits cash welfare recipients can withdraw (MN)
KARE 11 ^ | 3-22-11 | ap

Posted on 03/23/2011 10:00:16 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

Republican legislators think they have a way to keep Minnesotans on welfare from spending their benefits on booze, smokes and lottery tickets: They'd keep them from taking more than $20 in benefits in cash. Right now, welfare recipients can use their electronic benefits cards to withdraw much of their monthly allotment in cash. The proposed legislation would require more people on welfare to get a second card to use for cash withdrawal, and would limit that to no more than $20 a month.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 20; cash; cigarettes; freecheeze; minnesota; peggyjoseph; visa; welfare
what prompted the action(well, this AND the November election)

EYEWITNESS NEWS Investigation: Benefits Bonanza - Taxpayers Foot Bill for Liquor, Travel, Tattoos http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1830297.shtml...

It's a benefits bonanza that might leave you shaking your head: cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets - even tattoos - can be bought with your money.

A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS INVESTIGATION found welfare cash can be used for all sorts of things never intended, from the Twin Cities to the U-S Virgin Islands.

And it's all legal.

Watch our investigation, led by 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS Reporter Mark Albert, that has some lawmakers calling for welfare reform. --------------------------------------------------------

1 posted on 03/23/2011 10:00:22 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This society worked better when the church was allowed to give to the needy and poor, instead of government. Government WASTES and allows CHEATS to beneifit, while they STEAL our money to do it.


2 posted on 03/23/2011 10:04:20 AM PDT by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I hear in some states you can use food stamps at restaurants. That sounds crazy. You should only be able to use them at the grocery stores.


3 posted on 03/23/2011 10:04:46 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Right now, welfare recipients can use their electronic benefits cards to withdraw much of their monthly allotment in cash

That is just stupid!

About as stupid as letting them buy a honking big $58 birthday cake (& ice cream) from Sam's Club like I witnessed last Saturday.

4 posted on 03/23/2011 10:08:01 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Window dressing. Offer an elderly neighbor that you'll pick up some groceries. Use your Access Card to pay and just collect cash to pay for the groceries.

At least these drones have to get creative and do a service for someone.

5 posted on 03/23/2011 10:08:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL

I hear in some states you can use food stamps at restaurants. That sounds crazy. You should only be able to use them at the grocery stores.

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Don’t forget the Casino.

How mean of us hard-working taxpayers; to deny the poor the use of a welafre card at a casino.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1003&bih=597&q=welfare+cards+at+casinos&aq=1&aqi=g2g-m3&aql=f&oq=welfare+cards


6 posted on 03/23/2011 10:09:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS INVESTIGATION
Every newspaper and TV station in America should be doing this kind of investigation at least once a month.
7 posted on 03/23/2011 10:09:15 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GeronL

I think part of this is that food stamps and welfare checks have been replaced by these “debit card” clones in many places. So now people can use them anywhere, just as you would use a credit or debit card.

There were similar reports here in California, about Calif. welfare beneficiaries using their cards at Disneyland and Vegas casinos.


8 posted on 03/23/2011 10:10:44 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: WOBBLY BOB

They need to bring back the stamps, so that recipients can no longer hide the fact they’re on welfare.

We’ve gotten rid of every stigma of shame in this country.


9 posted on 03/23/2011 10:13:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

And maybe we could deliver benefits but keep cash out of people’s hands. For example, isn’t Section 8 rent paid directly by the government to the landlord for people on public assistance? Use the same concept so that people can go grocery shopping, and draw down an account set up for them at a supermarket chain, but don’t give them actual money. Set up similar accounts at Wal-Mart so they can go shopping, but again, don’t give them access to the actual cash money.

There’s got to be a way to deliver aid to the poor without all the scams and problems and using the money for other than the basic necessities of life.


10 posted on 03/23/2011 10:18:25 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

But again, that just allows people to hide the fact they are on welfare. We need to make welfare a stigma again.


11 posted on 03/23/2011 10:20:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Is there any stigma associated with anything anymore? Our culture is so into the self-esteem and being non-judgemental and all that, that now it’s like we can’t make any critical judgements.


12 posted on 03/23/2011 10:23:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dfwgator

the “bridge card” in MI is very distinctive, so there’s still a little bit of the stigma attached to it’s use.

but wait! that can be fixed.. http://bridgecardsticker.com/ here’s a company that makes stickers specifically designed to cover up that distinctive image to make you look like less of a pariah. and you can even use the card to buy the sticker!


13 posted on 03/23/2011 10:23:59 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
In Washington State, we have thousands and thousands who get "replacement" cards for "lost" welfare debit cards....many who get replacement cards multiple times yearly and sometimes every month....turns out, many of these "lost" cards end up being sold on craigslist....

the govt does nothing about it....

14 posted on 03/23/2011 10:24:45 AM PDT by cherry
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To: dfwgator

[i]We need to make welfare a stigma again.[/i][p]

Yeah, let’s destroy what little dignity is left to those who are disabled and have no choice but to turn to what little is available to keep them alive. Have a little consideration for your fellow man. I’m so sick and tired of this unchristian attitude on display around FR.


15 posted on 03/23/2011 10:24:48 AM PDT by Tigermoth ("...in order to form a more perfect union.....and secure the blessings of liberty..")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Liberal judge finding this policy to be RAAACIST in 3.....2.....1....


16 posted on 03/23/2011 10:25:58 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tigermoth

Oh please, you want real poverty, go to Haiti. We have no real poverty in America.


17 posted on 03/23/2011 10:26:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dilbert San Diego

doesn’t matter. you can get around anything.
people around here will use their card to buy food for friends and family, then trade for alcohol, cigarettes, cash, etc.


18 posted on 03/23/2011 10:26:46 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Tigermoth

Furthermore, the point of stigmatizing welfare is to make people want to get off of it, and find their own dignity. Nobody can give you dignity.


19 posted on 03/23/2011 10:27:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tigermoth

you’re kidding, right?


20 posted on 03/23/2011 10:28:27 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: dfwgator
They need to bring back the stamps, so that recipients can no longer hide the fact they’re on welfare.

I don't know about elsewhere, but I do know that, at least in this part of Virginia, folks using the food stamp card really can't hide it because it shows up on the cash register display as FOOD STAMP PAYMENT.

21 posted on 03/23/2011 10:32:38 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There’s got to be a way to deliver aid to the poor without all the scams and problems and using the money for other than the basic necessities of life.

There was - before the feds screwed things up, you had to appear in person before someone at your town or county welfare office and had to convince them that you were both in need and deserving of help.

Only after confirming your situation, and confirming that your relatives and/or church didn't have the resources to help you, would you receive aid.

The next time you appeared at the local welfare office, besides the above, you'd have to show that you had taken steps to get off welfare - if not, maybe the town or county gives your kids to more responsible family members or foster parents and tells you to get out of town.

22 posted on 03/23/2011 10:35:10 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: oh8eleven

they’re the only local Twin Cities station that does any investigative reporting when it comes to goobermint waste and fraud.


23 posted on 03/23/2011 10:36:25 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I had to replace a thermostat in a house owned by the Minneapolis Public Housing authority. I had to move a pipe and a bag of weed the tenant had left on top of the entertainment center. I told her about the stuff and she said she didn't even know it was there. I suggested that she would have a better day now that she could watch Montel and smoke her lost bag of weed.
24 posted on 03/23/2011 10:37:31 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: dfwgator; Dilbert San Diego
But again, that just allows people to hide the fact they are on welfare. We need to make welfare a stigma again.

While I totally understand exactly what you are saying, there are actually still people who are ashamed of the fact they need the help.

I know people that do abuse the system, however I also know people that hate the fact that they feel like they are mooching but really do need the help. Unfortunately it is the first group that is making it even worse for the second.

25 posted on 03/23/2011 10:38:30 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tigermoth

I figured it was more Christian to give out of the kindness of your heart instead of being forced to give to those who are in need at the point of a gun. How can you walk around with dignity if you take that kind of money?


26 posted on 03/23/2011 10:41:23 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Gabz
While I totally understand exactly what you are saying, there are actually still people who are ashamed of the fact they need the help.

Where are family and friends to help them. It seems that ever since government had taken over the compassion business, that people of abdicated their responsibilities to family and relatives.

27 posted on 03/23/2011 10:41:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There’s got to be a way to deliver aid to the poor without all the scams and problems and using the money for other than the basic necessities of life.

they used to be called churches and fraternal organizations.

28 posted on 03/23/2011 10:44:36 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: dfwgator
Where are family and friends to help them. It seems that ever since government had taken over the compassion business, that people of abdicated their responsibilities to family and relatives.

Every situation is different.

The system needs to be totally revamped, no doubt about that. The abuse that goes on is horrendous, but because of that, the ones that really do need the assistance are the ones that are penalized.

I know a woman, not yet yet 30, who gets over $600 a month in food stamps and doesn't know how to cook anything if it doesn't come out of a box/bag/can and can be stuck in the oven or microwave. I know another woman who is 68 and because her husband just started getting regular social security, he had been getting SS disability, her food stamp allotment dropped to $46 a month and she couldn't buy pectin to make preserves because pectin is not considered food.

29 posted on 03/23/2011 10:58:12 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Bookmark


30 posted on 03/23/2011 11:00:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
they used to be called churches and fraternal organizations.

They used to be called relatives and friends.

31 posted on 03/23/2011 11:01:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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32 posted on 03/23/2011 11:08:04 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: dfwgator
true enough.

now the National Council of Churches, the ELCA , and the local diocese are just lobbyists at the MN Captiol for more goobermint cheeze and more goobermint growth.

33 posted on 03/23/2011 11:08:28 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: GeronL

yes! and for Ramen noodles and catfood.


34 posted on 03/23/2011 11:19:34 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: kcvl; WOBBLY BOB; GeronL

They waste the money they are given then have the audacity to say they can’t afford to feed their kids for the whole month and that they need more.


35 posted on 03/23/2011 11:22:42 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: GeronL

In California they can use benefits cards any place and yes pot shops do take them too.No word from msm.


36 posted on 03/23/2011 11:23:10 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Tigermoth
Yeah, let’s destroy what little dignity is left to those who are disabled and have no choice but to turn to what little is available to keep them alive. Have a little consideration for your fellow man. I’m so sick and tired of this unchristian attitude on display around FR.

If welfare were restricted to the disabled, then this argument might hold some water. Essentially, you are arguing that we should not be upset by the cheaters and scammers because there are a few who truly need welfare. That is a non-sequitor.

I would be quite interested in your biblical citation that names the government as the source of charity.

37 posted on 03/23/2011 11:39:59 AM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Gabz

>>her food stamp allotment dropped to $46 a month and she couldn’t buy pectin to make preserves because pectin is not considered food.<<

How much does she give to the church each week? I’ll bet over the years she has given enough to stop now without anyone complaining.


38 posted on 03/23/2011 12:21:12 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

I have no idea what, if anything, she gives to her church. I’ve never asked, as it really isn’t any of my business.

OTOH, in the case of the other woman I mentioned, while I have an idea how much she contributes to church each week, I do know just how much the church gives to her .............

I know that last comment of mine sounds very unChristian on my part, and I have asked for forgiveness for my attitude, but I openly admit there have been a few times it has really ticked me off -— and I know it shouldn’t.


39 posted on 03/23/2011 12:59:49 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tigermoth

UN Christian??
The apostle Paul wrote to the churches that they were to give aid to those who were indeed widows, not to those who were “widows in name only”. I suppose you think that is unchristian also? I mean, think of all those poor children.
As for “disabled”, That’s the second biggest taxpayer rip off on the dole.
Judging by what I observe, at least 75% of those drawing “dis”ability have no more wrong with them than general laziness.
For instance, the massuse at a local salon is leagally blind., but I know several that have no more wrong with them than the pure unwillingness to participate in their own support


40 posted on 03/23/2011 10:10:59 PM PDT by bog trotter
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