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What to Make of SEIU Official's Supposed Socialist Fantasy Plan ("destabilize the country")
The Atlantic Wire ^ | 3/22/11 | John Hudson

Posted on 03/23/2011 10:26:14 AM PDT by Libloather

What to Make of SEIU Official's Supposed Socialist Fantasy Plan
By John Hudson Mar 22, 2011

A new tape posted on Glenn Beck's political website, The Blaze, purportedly shows a former Service Employees International Union official sharing plans to "destabilize the country."

In the seven-minute video, a voice that sounds like Stephen Lerner, the former director of private equity at the SEIU pictured above, details plans to "bring down the stock market," bankrupt major U.S. banks and create an environment where a weakened financial sector cedes power to union organizers and the middle class in general.

The talk purportedly happened at a closed session at Pace University over the weekend. The plan, which smacks of socialist fantasy, is to bankrupt the nation's banks by convincing students, homeowners and city and state governments to stop paying their loans in a coordinated debt strike.

Given past episodes of "shocking" recordings proving less shocking upon review, as well as The Blaze's strong conservative leanings, this should probably be taken with a deep dose of skepticism. That said, earlier this month, The Blaze did publish a fair-minded report on the misleading editing job of James O'Keefe's NPR sting, which shifted the public perception of the hit job.

Business Insider's Henry Blodget has picked the up the Stephen Lerner story though noting that he couldn't verify Lerner's voice.

What saith Media Matters, the liberal watchdog group that makes a habit out of aggressively dismissing such videos? Thus far the group is just posting stand-alone excerpts from Glenn Beck's show this morning. We'll update if anything more comes of Lerner's anti-capitalist coup plans. Here's the video:

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlanticwire.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banking; corruption; democrats; economy; fantasy; fraud; lerner; liberalfascism; liberals; obamasminions; plan; progressives; seiu; socialism; socialist; socialistdemocrats; stephenlerner; unions
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1 posted on 03/23/2011 10:26:19 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I am Jack’s Cloward-Piven strategy.


2 posted on 03/23/2011 10:28:53 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Libloather
this should probably be taken with a deep dose of skepticism

Even though it is Lerner, in his own words, saying what we already suspected. Right.

You forgot the "barf until you're dead" alert.
3 posted on 03/23/2011 10:29:26 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Libloather
Interesting way of handling the issue by the Atlantic Wire. They want to report it, but want to discredit the story as real. Then they give reasons why it may be real.

Bi-polar?

4 posted on 03/23/2011 10:30:46 AM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: Libloather

“this should probably be taken with a deep dose of skepticism...”

Yup. Here we go with the spin from the media. They will manage to take an audio tape of a man discussing economic terrorism in the plainest of terms and find ways to explain why he didn’t really mean what he so obviously said.


5 posted on 03/23/2011 10:32:17 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: Libloather
Purple People Beaters - Exposing SEIU Corruption
6 posted on 03/23/2011 10:35:51 AM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Libloather

Jason Chaffetz calling for an investigation.


7 posted on 03/23/2011 10:36:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Libloather

Typical unnion thuggery.


8 posted on 03/23/2011 10:37:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Libloather

Rush was just talking about this video. The good thing about this is it’s going all around in email and Rush and others are talking about it so Lerner can hardly pull a surprise on anyone now.


9 posted on 03/23/2011 10:41:45 AM PDT by classified
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To: Libloather

What saith Media Matters, the liberal watchdog group that makes a habit out of aggressively dismissing such videos?

Who needs Meida Matters, when you are doing their job for them John?


10 posted on 03/23/2011 10:43:09 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: Libloather
Good fodder for a broadcasted congressional investigation.
11 posted on 03/23/2011 10:50:31 AM PDT by red tie
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To: MNGal
Here we go with the spin from the media.

Its what democrats do. Last week I saw a democrat pundit talking about the democrats facing election fraud charges in Michigan. The demospin was that everybody does it.
12 posted on 03/23/2011 10:54:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: MNGal

Skepticism? Why doesn’t the reporter simply call the guy and ask him? Has the socialist denied it?


13 posted on 03/23/2011 10:55:00 AM PDT by Terry Mross (This is war. Choose sides.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Middle class Americans must begin to realize that they are in a class struggle against the poor and the powerful unions. The union concept is socialist and they want to be paid based upon what they can do to us if they don’t get what they want.

It is high time the Middle Class boycotts the union companies when they can and votes out the Democrat Party/Union. The Catholic Church helped found the Unions when they were needed but the Mafia got involved and helped determine how all unions operate. It is us against the Unions.


14 posted on 03/23/2011 10:56:16 AM PDT by paguch
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To: Libloather

What a pathetic and barf alert screed.

Lefties are so predictable.

“purportedly” “supposed” In other words, IT’S TRUE!


15 posted on 03/23/2011 10:56:59 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Libloather

Supposed Socialist Fantasy Plan. What a bunch of slackers they only stole the Fabin Society plan that’s been around since 1849.
Well it’s what losers do best steal.


16 posted on 03/23/2011 10:58:16 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: red tie
Good for Glenn Beck. Once again he is setting the news agenda and breaking stories that need to be broken. Maybe he really does need his own network. His schtick is amazingly over-the-top and irritating (which is why he's losing viewers, IMHO). But his content is good.

He should hire a bevy of smart young telegenic conservatives to report all this as straight news ala Fox, but to the next degree.

17 posted on 03/23/2011 10:59:06 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Dr.Deth

I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.


18 posted on 03/23/2011 11:00:28 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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To: Libloather

with as much debt as is circulating in the country and the world right now, it’s a bit surprising we haven’t seen more Debt Cartel talk already.


19 posted on 03/23/2011 11:01:48 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dr.Deth

Maybe Durdenian Economics will protect us from financial collapse.

“The things you own end up owning you.”


20 posted on 03/23/2011 11:02:29 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe
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To: Libloather

If this Lerner guy is personally invested in any of the companies he proposes to disrupt, isn’t there some securities restriction prohibiting such behavior?


21 posted on 03/23/2011 11:05:03 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Terry Mross

“Skepticism? Why doesn’t the reporter simply call the guy and ask him? Has the socialist denied it?”

That would be way too easy. And besides, the reporter may get an answer that he doesn’t want to hear.

To my knowledge Stephen Lehrner has not confirmed or denied anything yet. The silence from the SEIU, White House, Homeland Security, and the US Justice Department is deafening.


22 posted on 03/23/2011 11:06:50 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: Libloather
Sounds to me as if Learner is calling for the destruction of every union pension plan, stealing every penny from workers 401k plans and giving it to people who never saved a dime while also eliminating every private sector job in the United States -- and I suppose their unions along with them.

That's is exactly what would happen if he were to succeed in his economic terrorism.

23 posted on 03/23/2011 11:08:13 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Jack Black

I didn’t hear Rush give Beck any credit for exposing this story. I thought this was a bit small of Rush...IMHO


24 posted on 03/23/2011 11:11:41 AM PDT by red tie
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To: Libloather

None dare call it treason.


25 posted on 03/23/2011 11:12:34 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Libloather

Question: Why do Leftists believe that a “Cloward Piven Strategy” would work out in their favor??

I mean, if the US Gov’t, Banks and Fed collapse, people would be forced to fend for themselves, rely on family and local communities, instead of relying on Washington. There would be no more printed FED greenbacks to pay for Union thugs and their adolescent followers in academia. There would be no more welfare or entitlements for them to suck off, and most of the gun-owners in the USA are conservatives.

I don’t think the Left has thought this through....


26 posted on 03/23/2011 11:23:48 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Libloather

Stephen Lerner apparently lives in DC, quite close to Walter Reed Hospital.

If only there was a group of patriots in that vicinity to FReep him...


27 posted on 03/23/2011 11:27:08 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Dr.Deth

I am Jack’s “Socialist Fantasy”.


28 posted on 03/23/2011 11:51:44 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: PENANCE

Speaking of which, isn’t the term “Socialist Fantasy” a redundancy?


29 posted on 03/23/2011 11:53:07 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: classified

That doesn’t mean it they will stop. Still might work.

The trick is getting enough people to willingly default. Remember they have been pushing this for well over a year (remember all the strategic default articles?) and it hasn’t happened yet.


30 posted on 03/23/2011 11:58:41 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PGR88

“I don’t think the Left has thought this through....”

The Left never does, and would never understand why they became the target of reprisals.


31 posted on 03/23/2011 12:04:37 PM PDT by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: Libloather

32 posted on 03/23/2011 12:13:31 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: Libloather

See what happens when the mental institutions are shut down?

(IMHO)


33 posted on 03/23/2011 12:21:08 PM PDT by ripley
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To: red tie

I don’t think Glenn cares too much about getting credit.


34 posted on 03/23/2011 12:21:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Ditto

“Sounds to me as if Learner is calling for the destruction of every union pension plan, stealing every penny from workers 401k plans and giving it to people who never saved a dime while also eliminating every private sector job in the United States — and I suppose their unions along with them.
That’s is exactly what would happen if he were to succeed in his economic terrorism.”

It would allow the further “socialization” of America, the coming police state will shortly be behind it. They think that they will be rewarded with the spoils of victory, while the rest of us will have our homes and accounts stolen. The age of serfdom by computers will not be far away.


35 posted on 03/23/2011 12:32:20 PM PDT by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: paguch

The Poor, The Elites, The Government and The Unions ALL want to destroy the middle class, and they are succeeding.

The destruction of the largest middle class in history and the middle classes largest asset, a home, continues. The destruction of jobs began long ago, and now the next generation will have a bleak future. Never mind the outlawing of being independent in our energy. And the dumbing down of the majority of the middle class.

They are almost done.


36 posted on 03/23/2011 12:38:11 PM PDT by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: PGR88
The left has indeed thought this through quite thoroughly over milena.

It is possible that you may not understand the true goal.

It is quite simple:

1. They want to die.

2. They want to watch everyone else die first.

3. Achieve goal 2 by any mechanism available to guarantee goal 1. It sounds quite insane. No one will want to believe it. therefore its historical sustainability. It is a guilt thing.

37 posted on 03/23/2011 12:44:23 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: South40

The Judge who put a hold on the Wisconsin law putting the brakes on unions has a son who is an SEIU official.


38 posted on 03/23/2011 12:52:51 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: cripplecreek

Hilary, Mike Moore and Trump are demanding their wealth be confiscated first.


39 posted on 03/23/2011 1:08:52 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: cripplecreek

You’ll note Rush gives credit to writers but he seldom,
if ever, gives credit to another radio competitor for
breaking or promoting a story before him.


40 posted on 03/23/2011 1:27:20 PM PDT by red tie
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To: red tie

Rush actually very clearly said the video is posted at theblaze.com. all the holier than thou types can cite business insider as the source, and beck secondarily - which, in the end, might get the story more exposure than if it was beck exclusively. Even though that is unfair, I think it’s the reality of the landscape re beck. atleast the story is out there.


41 posted on 03/23/2011 1:47:32 PM PDT by true believer forever
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To: Libloather

Well Maybe we Can ask the Purported Mr Lerner What he was Doing at The White House after he was let Go By SEIU.


42 posted on 03/23/2011 2:09:23 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: MNGal

Sort Of Like The Purported Presidency of Barack Obama,we can take what he says about anything to the Bank Right?
For example the end Game in Libya,Take your Pick behind Door Number 1,2 Or 3


43 posted on 03/23/2011 2:13:27 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: classified
Lerner can hardly pull a surprise on anyone now.

I disagree. 75percent of the people in the country haven't a clue that this is happening and probably another 10 or 15 % don't believe that it is possible.So much for public education. We all live in Rio Linda now.

44 posted on 03/23/2011 3:21:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Libloather
You may be interested in the following:

Will the ALA Oppose Economic Terrorism? Stephen Lerner of the SEIU Spells Out Battle Plans Against America, a Perfect Non-Library Issue for the ALA to Sink Its Teeth Into


SafeLibraries.org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?
Contact me to get on or off my library crime ping list.

SafeLibraries. org - Are Children Safe in Public Libraries?

Also see SafeLibraries Blog.

45 posted on 03/23/2011 5:37:57 PM PDT by plan2succeed.org (www.SafeLibraries.org)
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To: Libloather
"...a voice that sounds like Stephen Lerner, the former director of private equity at the SEIU pictured above, details plans to...create an environment where a weakened financial sector cedes power to...the middle class in general."

Yep. Most of 'em are lefties.


46 posted on 03/23/2011 5:41:25 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: sauropod

mark


47 posted on 03/23/2011 5:43:45 PM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: Libloather

This isn’t rocket science. If leftist pigs want to kill you and your family, you kill them and their families first.

It’s called war.


48 posted on 03/23/2011 6:18:20 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: RoadTest

Can you back that up or is it just hot air and wishful thinking??


49 posted on 03/23/2011 7:25:20 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: paguch
communism simply rewards the party people.....like in Russia, where the party communists got the govt jobs and the vacations on the Black Sea...

capitalism is not perfect, but at least the premise is if you work hard, you can attain some semblence of a comfortable life on your terms....

50 posted on 03/24/2011 12:42:14 AM PDT by cherry
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