Skip to comments.Policeman sues over orders to attend Islamic prayer
Posted on 03/24/2011 5:21:43 AM PDT by conservativegramma
A Tulsa, Okla., police captain is suing his chief and the city after he was demoted and targeted by an internal investigation for refusing orders to attend an event featuring lessons in Islam, a tour and a prayer service at a mosque linked to an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror financing trial.
The legal action has been brought by attorneys with the Thomas More Law Center on behalf of Paul Fields.
Named as defendants are the city, police chief Charles W. Jordan and deputy chief Alvin Daryl Webster. WND requests for comment did not generate a response from the defendants.
At issue is a solicitation by officials in the Tulsa Police Department for officers to attend a "Law Enforcement Appreciation Day" organized by the Islamic Society of Tulsa. The invitation said the officers would be given tours of the mosque, meet the mosque's leadership, be given presentations of "beliefs, human rights, women" and "watch the 2-2:45 weekly congregational prayer service."
While at first the police administration's recommendation for attendance at the event appeared to be voluntary there was a voluntary signup list the law firm said when officers refused to respond, the managers made it a required event.
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Wonder how this would compare say to the idiot teacher suing over not being able to take 3 weeks for a pilgrimage to Mecca for Ramadan.... =.=
I guess separation of church and state is only for Christians. Imagine what would happen if they opted to go to Mass during work hours?
“And this is in Oklahoma! Things are getting down right scary.”
For most of the independent (don’t-give-a-dam) voters, multiculturalism (anti-Americanism) has been a fashion fad. Multiculturalism is like hip-hugger jeans, body piercing and tattoos. At some point, enough independents will realize that multiculturalism means converting your lifestyle back to the middle ages and then they’ll join the right in responding appropriately.
Islam insists that we either convert or die. When they become even close to 50% of the population, it’s no longer safe to look like anything other than an Islamic. Women will wear full face covering or they get acid thrown on them. So, I ask; what is the appropriate response we, as a society, must make?
Was the attendance required as part of his duty (surveillance of Muslim bad actors, for instance), or as a PC educational assignment? That makes a difference.
I read the rest and answered my own question. I would have attended, just to seek out the bomb factory in the mosque basement, but that’s just me...
Policemans case is a loser.
Policeman should have gone to the mosque and gathered information.
It is no different than what we did in grade school going to different churches and a synagogue—he is making a point but it is a stupid one.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is what should be applied here. So what, as long as they pay you to waste your time, just think, you get the layout of the mosque, meet some of the adherents to this devil’s religion and it could pay off later.
“what is the appropriate response we, as a society, must make?”
There really is no option. The key problem with peaceful responses is the muslims are using our traditions and laws against us. They profess to be peaceful up until they have around 35% of a population and then they dispense with the pleasantries.
Initially the event was voluntary. Few, if any, signed up and THEN it became MANDATORY. This has nothing to do with policing... catching criminals, stopping crime. This is plain and outright political correctness gone mad. Don’t want to participate? Too bad because your job is on the line. I hope he sues and wins big!
The best way to show appreciation for law enforcement is to obey the law i.e. get your own Islamic house in order and be on the front lines in identifying and casting out those involved in terrorism.
Assuming he was being paid for it, it was kind of stupid not to go.
I might have attended and dropped little bits of bacon throughout the mosque.
“get your own Islamic house in order and be on the front lines in identifying and casting out those involved in terrorism’
Yeah they are lining up to do that all over the world.
I think I would have gone and taken my pet pig.
Wonder if they’d go along with haveing the police attend an Amish church, get a tour,,,,would Chris feel a tingle go down his leg???
And this “stupid”point you refer to— how would you respond if the policeman was -say a firefighter—and ordered to attend a gay Pride event? In my estimation there is little difference.
Related question In was entrusted to the public school indoctrination in the 60’s and survived the Progressive education experiment more or less in tact.Then they did not take their captives to other churches— or synagogues (as you seem to have been) but they did say we needed to get beyond what we had learned at home ,or in church.Am I right to note the evolution or progression in the public educaitons war against Christianity?
You mean your assistance pig, right?
You got that right! This [mandatory attendance]] is one of the indtruments that they use to weed out the dissenters. They are then replaced with accenters. What happens next, well, that is not pleasant at all to even think about.What one needs to keep in mind is that until they are stopped, they will continue to advance.
and I would bet that the Department would insist it is not infringing upon the rights of any of their officers by such action. Apparantly enforcing the notion that when one becomes a police officer, or firefighter, or doctor, or soldier one loses the right to be a Christian -i.e. the godless State has usurped the rights of citizens as Christians.
I think any opportunity to scope out the interior of a mosque is a good idea. Can always take a few minutes to peruse FR on the Blackberry during the “prayer service.”
Stoning and beheading demos, too?
WOW. Now if this had been a PC ordering officers to attend a Catholic Mass. Or a Sunday Baptist Service. The ACLU would be pushing each other out of the way to be the first at the Courthouse door.
That was what I would have done. When I worked at a certian prison, one of the chaplains had to supervise the muslim meetings. He took a bag of pork rinds with him and ate them while he was supervising them. It made the muslims so angry!
Yes, of course - he’s almost as good as a seeing-eye dog (grunts a lot and sometimes leaves messes, but we’re working on all of that).
I see what you are saying about the notion they are to forgo their religious views while doing their job. However, when is attending a mosque or praying to a god in their job description? From my understanding (I may be wrong) but the Muslims believe if you pray to Allah... you are essentially a new Muslim. IMHO, this is no different than taking a Jewish cop and forcing him to be baptized Catholic. I am glad this officer is suing for many reasons. The main one being that it may hinder other agencies from doing the same. I guess it always takes one case of injustice pursued to keep others safe.
“Assuming he was being paid for it, it was kind of stupid not to go”.
I disagree. To some people, their religion is important. I would not pray to another god. No matter what the price. To ask a police officer to CHOOSE between his God and his job is NOT what this Country is about. Perhaps, I should say this is NOT what our Country WAS about. I look at the road not just in front of me but way down. What is next? If you attend public school it will be mandatory to pray once to Allah, go to a public university then pray to Allah, want a county/state/federal job... you get the point.
What one needs to keep in mind is that until they are stopped, they will continue to advance.
I can’t help noticing that the ACLU has been silent on all of this. This is very telling about their agenda.
“They profess to be peaceful up until they have around 35% of a population and then they dispense with the pleasantries.”
I’m afraid the situation will need to be very bad before we as a society will respond. The left, who are loosely “American” will sound the multi-cultural trumpet until they are the last ones standing. Then, they will be converted to Islam or killed. They’ll convert and smugly tell everybody that was the plan all along. Part of the problem is a generation of identity politics that has gotten multiculturalism into law and into government contracts. Also, the taxpayer is helping Islam out. I read that Obama has given $800,000,000,000 to Hezbollah.
Regarding Islam, the religion of peace; somebody pointed out the average Nazi citizen and the average Soviet citizen were not in favor of war and did not want to destroy America. But they were the soil from which Nazism and Sovietism blossomed and, because of them, America had to deal with the results.
You totally missed the point. The officer should have only been notified of the invitation. There is no more constitutional mandate for his attendance than there is for the deprivation of any constitutional rights. The ‘management’ is wrong in this case. But, you are right; he will likely lose the case. More ‘in your face’.
Considering that Islam and Sharia law are completely at odds with EVERYTHING the left supposedly stands for, it is hard to understand what drives them to support it. My only explanation is that their hatred of America is so great that they will support any enemy of the U.S. if they think it will help destroy the country as we know it.
Yep my government school did expose us to different religions...............hmm.....guess it was actually the gifted class, now that I am thinking about it................and as for the gay pride question....I would have the same answer.................go, meet the principals, see the facility so you know what you are contending with.
I hope he wins big, too.
I hope he wins big, too.
Respectfully relictele I don't think you are fully understanding the crux of the Islamic issue. You are making the assumption that Islam is a religion. I can't blame you for that since that's been the drum beat since it's founding. Islam is a tyrannical political ideology disguised as a religion. There is no house to get in order for the house is a mirage. At the heart of Islam is the sword and freedom is the enemy to these troglodytes. Islam should be lumped in with all other anti-freedom philosophies and treated as such. Islam is just another flavor of collectivism and just as evil as any other flavor.
Who was asking him to pray? It's part of his job to observe and report, especially regarding avenues of potential threats. If his faith won't allow him to do that he shouldn't be a cop.
“Who was asking him to pray..”
Perhaps I went a little out on a limb. The article stated it involved “Islamic proselytizing” and a prayer service. My recollection of a story involving a tour of a Mosque for school children DID involve the male children to pray. It wasn’t suppose to happen but it did. His job does require investigative tools; however, this was being forced upon the officers to do as a community service act. No real law enforcement was ever mentioned. Why do you think no one volunteered for this assignment?
The difference is that America is NOT an unarmed nation like all the others they are taking over. I can easily see a woman in America having acid thrown in her face and responding with lead.
The love of money is the root of evil.
On the clock or not, I would not comply with a directive to attend a worship service for muslims.
If the government can make you buy “health insurance”, they can make you do anything else they damn well please. Don’t be fooled by it being declared unconstitutional, they are still going forward toward implementing it full speed ahead.They are just doing it on the qt.
Suppose it was to look for a criminal?
We better get use to Islamic proselytizing and we better start doing a little in return.
I had one discussion with a Muslim who was throwing the usual stuff about how Mohammed was mentioned in the Song of Songs (Mohammed in Arabic means praiseworthy and since Arabic is related to Hebrew and praiseworthy is found in that chapter a stretched connection is made); mocking my belief that my God "died" etc. He even tried to bring the old atheist saw that Christianity was based on Buddhism and that Mary comes from the Buddhist Maya without even understanding the connection with his own faith.
Anyway, I'm not afraid of reading the Koran -- still haven't managed to get completely through it but that has more to do with priorities in time allocation rather than a fear of having a crisis of faith -- but most Muslims seem to be terrified of reading the New Testament.
Challenge them every chance you get.
Suppose you not erect off topic straw men. There was no - look for a criminal. Sheesh.
“Challenge them every chance you get”