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World War II Vet Learns He's Not a U.S. Citizen
MyFoxPhoenix.com ^ | March 23, 2011

Posted on 03/24/2011 11:11:22 AM PDT by Kaslin

CENTRALIA, WA - Imagine living in this country for nearly a 100 years only to learn you're not a citizen.

It happened to a 95-year-old military veteran in Washington named Leeland Davidson.

Davidson knew he was born in Canada in 1916, but figured because his parents were American, he was automatically a U.S. citizen.

He was able to join the Navy and served in World War II, but when Davidson recently went to get the driver's license he needed to go to Canada to visit relatives, he learned otherwise.

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1 posted on 03/24/2011 11:11:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Unlike Obama, this guy didn’t know.


2 posted on 03/24/2011 11:15:12 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin

Wait a minute.....are they saying that if two people are married and US citizens and are expecting a baby....if they travel to another country and the baby is born.....that baby is not a US citizen?


3 posted on 03/24/2011 11:16:12 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Kaslin

Let me get this straight:
...A man born to TWO American citizens born abroad is NOT an American Citizen, but kid “popped out” the moment his foreign mom crosses the border is?
...and a man who was born to an American woman and a Kenyan father, with a not insignificant probability of being in Kenya at that time, is *also* a Citizen.

Win The Future!!


4 posted on 03/24/2011 11:17:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kaslin
Davidson actually questioned his citizenship back in the 1940s when he joined the Navy, but received a letter from an attorney stating everything was fine.

If he has the letter that should be good enough.

5 posted on 03/24/2011 11:18:03 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Kaslin

God bless him. He was a citizen when it really counted.


6 posted on 03/24/2011 11:18:13 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: RC2

EXACTLY what it sounds like they are saying.


7 posted on 03/24/2011 11:19:24 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: RC2

I think it’s probably a technicality. Obviously, the US government does not know if two Americans have a child abroad unless the parents complete some sort of application or affidavit. My guess is the parents didn’t do that. So, he’s technically not a citizen, but he shouldn’t have a problem becoming one by simply filing the necessary paperwork.


8 posted on 03/24/2011 11:20:29 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Kaslin
It looks like a major political party in 2008 may have nominated someone for President who wasn't a US citizen.

John McCain was born in Panama--his parents were US citizens. If he isn't a citizen, do we have to have a do-over of the 2008 election with an eligible nominee?

If only...

9 posted on 03/24/2011 11:21:14 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin

I think Obama is about to “find out” the same thing...

Back when New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey was on the verge of being indicted for various crimes I predicted that his way out of the mess would be to stop denying all of the swirling rumors over his sexual orientation, because the resulting cultural panic would make people completely forget about the bribery and corruption.

McGreevey did my prediction one better by announcing at a press conference that “His truth was that he was a Gay American”. Brilliant! The man never served a day in jail.

I gotta suspect that people are thinking along similar lines in the Obama White House right now. Things are just going to keep on getting worse, because Obama has dug a hole from which there is no digging out. Libya is the cherry on top of the sh!t sundae of his own creation. So, what is a President to do?

Simple. Stop denying the Birther rumors. Admit that you are not a native-born citizen. The resulting Constitutional crisis would make everybody completely forget about everything else. Obama can be hounded out of office with his head held high and the idiots on the Left can talk for another fifty years about how great a President he might have been...

My prediction is that somewhere in the basement of the White House, people are trying to concoct an innocent explaination of how Obama could run for President without realizing that he is Constitutionally ineligible. I’m guessing that Momma is about to go under the bus. Of course, her deception would have come out of a mother’s earnest desire for her child to have a better life as an American citizen, so maybe she doesn’t have to go under the bus at all.


10 posted on 03/24/2011 11:22:45 AM PDT by gridlock (Tea Party Haiku: If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: Kaslin

Congratulations, pro-Amnesty crowd!

After six or seven years of scouring Lexis-Nexis results you finally came up with this poor fellow to serve as the Poster Child for your cause.


11 posted on 03/24/2011 11:23:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Verginius Rufus

Panama Canal Zone was U.S. Territory at the time........................


12 posted on 03/24/2011 11:24:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: frogjerk
If he has the letter that should be good enough.

That is giving way too much credit to the legal profession. I know a number of legal immigrants to this country who were given bad advice by immigration attorneys along the way.
13 posted on 03/24/2011 11:25:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

Wasn’t Pres. Bush granting citizenship to legal and illegals alike who served in the military?

What are they waiting for? Get this done, he’s already served.


14 posted on 03/24/2011 11:29:57 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SpaceBar

This man is more of a U.S. citizen than many current U.S. citizens.


15 posted on 03/24/2011 11:30:22 AM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: SZonian
D'oh,

Should be "...legal and illegal ALIENS..."

16 posted on 03/24/2011 11:32:32 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
If he has the letter that should be good enough. That is giving way too much credit to the legal profession. I know a number of legal immigrants to this country who were given bad advice by immigration attorneys along the way.

Sorry, I misread the line. I thought it said the Attorney General. You are correct.

17 posted on 03/24/2011 11:33:40 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I clicked on the comments and someone posted this linkChildren Born Outside of the United States

My son and my daughter were both born in Germany about 6 years apart in the same US Army hospital which made it US territory. We had to travel to the US Consulate in Munich to get their US Birth certificate

18 posted on 03/24/2011 11:34:44 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Someone is playing with this guy.


19 posted on 03/24/2011 11:37:37 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kaslin
The only reason why this Veteran is being made a big deal over, he is white and that is not right in Obama’s new world government.

Had this brave man just came across the border illegally, no one could ask him his status as an American, one hundred lawyers would be lining up right now to defend him, and public assistance would be provided to assist him while he is in this country illegally!

Wait for it . . . . wait for it . . . the first ad by the Obama administration declaring this brave veteran's predicament is because the republicans refuse to fix the immigration problem and allow all the illegals a path to citizenship!

wait for it . . . it is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20 posted on 03/24/2011 11:38:12 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Wasn’t he born in a Naval station military hospital, which made it US territory?


21 posted on 03/24/2011 11:38:34 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Mr. Bird

“So, he’s technically not a citizen, but he shouldn’t have a problem becoming one by simply filing the necessary paperwork.”

At 95 years old, he’ll die before the paperwork is processed.


22 posted on 03/24/2011 11:40:11 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Kaslin

Just a little quick googling, and since the article is so thin on real info it makes me wonder if there aren’t some circumstances they are leaving out. For instance, if his parents were citizens but had never lived in the US, he would not be a citizen. There may be other circumstances as well.


23 posted on 03/24/2011 11:40:48 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Get a clue. This has nothing to do with amnesty. His parents were US citizen. The mistake they made was not going to the US Consulate in Canada and register his birth


24 posted on 03/24/2011 11:42:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: RC2

It is called derived citizenship. He is a U. S. citizen.


25 posted on 03/24/2011 11:45:38 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: Kaslin

Confirm this patriot’s citizenship and deport the Bamster. A fair tradeoff.


26 posted on 03/24/2011 11:45:50 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: RC2

It is called derived citizenship. He is a U. S. citizen.


27 posted on 03/24/2011 11:45:50 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: RC2
Correct. If you have a child while living abroad, even if both parents are US Citizens born and bred, you must apply at the Consulate for a Birth Certificate stating the child is an American. McCain's parents had to do so, countless thousands so delivered have had to in the past.

That's the sticky wicket regarding the President's birth certificate. Something tells me his free spirit Mom didn't know that was required. She just came home with her baby and thought all was well. I'm thinking Grandma tried to rectify that when Barry was left on her doorstep as a pre-teen and she had no way to get him enrolled in school. That's why there is no actual “birth certificate,” just something they did to help her take care of her grandson. I don't actually know what the procedure is when the parents screw up — certainly not 50 or more years ago.

28 posted on 03/24/2011 11:47:15 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Kaslin
My son and my daughter were both born in Germany about 6 years apart in the same US Army hospital which made it US territory.

I was born in Germany to US parents as well. It was a simple matter for my parents to have me naturalized when I was about six. Someone is BS'ing this patriot.

29 posted on 03/24/2011 11:47:52 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: SZonian

It’s the immigration court who grants citizenship not the President, but I think you are correct that under President Bush legal immigrants that served in the US Military in Iraq and Afghanistan were granted citizenships


30 posted on 03/24/2011 11:49:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the clarification, didn’t follow the specifics to closely then (as evidenced by my post).

Either way, the gov’t needs to help him clear this up quickly. I don’t see how a 95 year old “error” could or should be held over this vet’s head.

FRegards,
SZ


31 posted on 03/24/2011 11:55:39 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: brytlea
From the article at Fox News.com

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The 95-year-old's parents were born in the U.S., but they had him while in Canada. And the proper paperwork apparently was never filed to report Davidson as being born to Americans living abroad.

-- snip --

World War II Vet Finds Out He Is Not a U.S. Citizen

32 posted on 03/24/2011 12:00:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

My 94 year old mother moved into assisted living. The DMV got her age and the new address wrong. She went with her passport, her old driver’s license and her social security card, which had her maiden name on it. The DMV told her they could not correct their error until she had a new, certified marriage certificate issued. She has no idea what city she was married in 70 years ago. (It was in the woods of Kentucky.)

However, I know a man from El Salvador. He was in the US on a valid visa and went to get a driver’s license. They issued him a driver’s license and handed him a voter’s ID card. He’s now a registered Democrat. He says everybody he knows in his immigrant neighborhood are registered democrats, even though many are here illegally.

Granted these are different offices, but still state offices. I’m smelling reverse discrimination.


33 posted on 03/24/2011 12:01:15 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Red Badger

Panama Canal Zone was U.S. Territory at the time...........


It was never U.S. owned land.
On January 22, 1903, the Hay-Herran Treaty was signed by United States Secretary of State John M. Hay and Dr. Tomás Herrán of Colombia. It would have granted the United States a renewable lease in perpetuity from Colombia on the land proposed for the canal. This is often misinterpreted as the “99-year lease” due to misleading wording included in article 22 of the agreement that refers to property within the land but does not pertain to the control of the canal and the right for the United States to renew the lease indefinitely. It was ratified by the United States Senate on March 14, 1903, but the Senate of Colombia did not ratify the treaty. Philippe Bunau-Varilla, chief engineer of the French canal company, told Roosevelt and Hay of a possible revolt and hoped that the U.S. would support it with troops and money. President of the United States Theodore Roosevelt changed tactics, promising support for Panama’s intermittent separatist movement. On November 2, 1903, U.S. warships blocked sealanes for Colombian troops from coming to put down the revolt, while dense jungles blocked land routes. Panama achieved independence on November 3, 1903 when the United States sent naval forces to encourage Colombia’s surrender of the region. The United States quickly recognized them. Also, on November 6, 1903, Phillipe Bunau-Varilla, Panama’s ambassador to the United States, signed the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty, granting rights to the United States to build and indefinitely administer the Panama Canal. Although Bunau-Varilla was serving as Panama’s ambassador, he was a French citizen and was not authorized to sign treaties on behalf of Panama without Panamanian review. This treaty would later become a contentious diplomatic issue between Panama and the U.S..

The United States, under President Theodore Roosevelt, bought out the French equipment and excavations for US$40 million and began work on May 4, 1904. The United States paid Colombia $25,000,000 in 1921, seven years after completion of the canal, for redress of President Roosevelt’s role in the creation of Panama, and Colombia recognized Panama under the terms of the Thomson-Urrutia Treaty.—From Wikipedia


34 posted on 03/24/2011 12:03:34 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: passionfruit
Maybe he is, maybe he's not. Of course, the article doesn't really tell us what the bone of contention is.

But this process only applies to children permanently residing in the U.S. If the child is under 18, was born outside the United States, but lives abroad in the physical and legal custody of a U.S. citizen parent or U.S. citizen grandparent, the parent or grandparent must apply for naturalization of the child. In addition, more criteria must be met.

The U.S. citizen parent or grandparent must have been physically present in the U.S. for five years before the child's birth, at least two of which were after age fourteen. Further, the child must be temporarily present in the U.S. for the naturalization process and to recite the oath of allegiance. Of course, if the child is too young to understand the oath, this requirement may be waived.

http://www.legalzoom.com/marriage-divorce-family-law/family-law-basics/is-your-child-us

I don't know if this is the case here, but it may well be that his parents had not met the condition of living in the US for the amount of time required. As usual, I would like more info. On the other hand, it seems that he would qualify since he served our country.

35 posted on 03/24/2011 12:06:20 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you for that info, I did not see it.


36 posted on 03/24/2011 12:07:24 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, if being an ILLEGAL ALIEN is good enough for the president, why not for someone who has actually done something for the country?

My advice, give this guy his license, and kick out the IDIOT IN CHIEF.


37 posted on 03/24/2011 12:09:28 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Kaslin

Altho now that you think about it, he is not really a citizen, he has a SS #, was allowed into the military, etc and they never caught it? Clearly there are problems with the system.


38 posted on 03/24/2011 12:09:37 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Kaslin

Altho now that you think about it, he is not really a citizen, he has a SS #, was allowed into the military, etc and they never caught it? Clearly there are problems with the system.


39 posted on 03/24/2011 12:09:48 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Kaslin
[My son and my daughter were both born in Germany about 6 years apart in the same US Army hospital which made it US territory. We had to travel to the US Consulate in Munich to get their US Birth certificate.]

This is crazy. But it may be a result of the post-9/11 legislation that made it harder to obtain personal documents. I hope the Army has fixed this.

40 posted on 03/24/2011 12:10:51 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin

He lives our culture and speaks our language, so he’s not expensive to us. ...same with other English speaking Canadians born in Canada. That should make all of the difference, and toss political correctness to where it belongs.


41 posted on 03/24/2011 12:11:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

Except that he may be a political prop this could probably be fixed post haste.


42 posted on 03/24/2011 12:13:21 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Mr. Bird

You are right. I had a baby in another country and I got him his American birth certificate from the Embassy tout suite thereafter. He is a full American citizen, but he can’t be President. (too bad for me, huh? I have to miss out on all those free trips the mothers now get to go on...)

This guy’s parents only had to file for his American citizenship, but they did not bother.

Today what this means is that the American birth certificate a child born overseas gets, is his only original copy. There is nothing in the States on file for my son like there are for US born kids. Of course now his passport files exist, based on his BC. (remind you of anyone???)


43 posted on 03/24/2011 12:16:30 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Kaslin

I had always been under the impression that if you joined the military and got an honorable discharge you got naturalized.

My vet that was from merry ol England overstayed his visa and got drafted earned his papers this way after a tour in VN


44 posted on 03/24/2011 12:19:31 PM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: brytlea

The child of 2 U. S. citizens would be a citizen regardless of where he was born. You quote a current law, but I am going from what I was taught at the Federal law Enforcement Training Center at Glynco GA during the Immigration portion of my training at the US Customs Academy in 1985. The course was taught by our Chief Counsel lawyers. They can’t apply a new law that would deprive him of his rights, when it wasn’t passed until many years after he was here.

He is a U. S. Citizen.


45 posted on 03/24/2011 1:01:55 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: passionfruit
I can't say what the law stipulated when he was born, prior to 1952, however:

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[7]:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

I don't know that any of this pertains to him, however, it's not so simply cut and dried that the only stipulation is that the parents be citizens (which is the ONLY point I'm making). This comes from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_two_United_States_citizens

Which of course could be wrong, and the law prior to 1952 I do not know. You are free to show me more links, it's difficult to find info.

46 posted on 03/24/2011 1:19:44 PM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: RC2

“...if two people are married and US citizens and are expecting a baby....if they travel to another country and the baby is born.....that baby is not a US citizen?”

Yes and no.

A baby’s birth must be registered with the U.S.Embassy (or, at least the State Department) and becomes a citizen-by-statute (jus sanguinis) because the parents are U.S. citizens. Military personnel have similar requirements when births occur while stationed overseas.


47 posted on 03/24/2011 1:20:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: RC2
married and US citizens and are expecting a baby....if they travel to another country

Whoa Nellie, pregnant, about to give birth and they leave and go to a foreign country in 1916? That's absolutely preposterous. A pregnant woman wouldn't travel when she is about to give birth!

Just ask any troll, they'll tell ya.

48 posted on 03/24/2011 1:42:32 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

My son was born in 1963 and my daughter in 1970. My husband retired in 1979 from the Army


49 posted on 03/24/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

[My son was born in 1963 and my daughter in 1970. My husband retired in 1979 from the Army.]

I tried to replace a title, lost in moving back to Tennessee, on a car I purchased in Colorado. Colorado won’t accept photocopies of any ID cards I send them to establish my identity. They wanted me to send my actual Tennessee drivers license which is not returnable. I got on the phone with them and apparently I can get a Tennessee photo ID at the drivers bureau and send that to them.


50 posted on 03/24/2011 2:11:18 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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