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U.S. Soldiers Fighting Israelis?
"Postcards from America - Postcards from Israel" ^ | March 24, 2011 | Norma Zager

Posted on 03/24/2011 4:43:59 PM PDT by Ari Bussel

A New Wrinkle in Time By Norma Zager

“Lack of loyalty is one of the major causes of failure in every walk of life.” Napoleon Hill

Last night at our how-do-we-save-the-world meeting (yes, we actually do meet) a very smart man posed a question whose answer caused me great angst.

What do you think will happen, he asked me, when the United Nations recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state and sends in peacekeeping troops? The United States will be part of that deployment and suddenly U.S. soldiers will be fighting against Israelis.

Well now, that’s a whole other kettle of gefilte fish isn’t it?

All those liberal Jews who believed if their solution to Israel’s problems would only be implemented and Israel gave back everything and made nice, all would work out fine. How will they feel when their tax money is going to kill Israeli soldiers?

Now we have a ball game, as they say.

Americans, much unlike our founding fathers, have become a nation of hedonists. Where once they planned for eventualities hundreds of years in the future, now there is no plan for even tomorrow. Little thought is given to how current choices will affect future generations, or even a month ahead.

Can a society become so hedonistic without signing its own death warrant?

Nope. Just ask the Roman Empire.

Rome fell when it became all about them. America is now all about us.

We pick and choose whom to fight for as is evidenced with our current faux war against Libya.

I am quite at a loss to explain how no one seemed inspired to fight when women were being murdered in the streets of Iran. Is an Iranian woman’s life any less valuable than a Libyan?

Don’t bother to even conjure up a plausible explanation. There is none.

It all seems to hinge on American politics. Whenever our President decides he needs a distraction from the bad press and lack of answers to America’s problems, he enters into a war.

Lucky for the Libyans things are real crap in this country otherwise they would be left to their own devices like the poor Iranians who also battled and lost their lives to overthrow an evil regime.

So I guess it isn’t really even about what’s good for America, but what’s good for an incumbent President seeking reelection.

Politicians! You gotta love ‘em.

So I will return to my opening topic, the United Nations and its pathetic poor excuse to exist and how Americans may feel about the U.S. battling Israelis.

I’ll bet that eventuality never entered your mind.

First and foremost most Americans who can count to ten are aware of the fact that the two billion dollars we give the UN every year is like lighting a match to good money. Add to that the millions in parking tickets the deranged diplomats receive and must be forgiven when they use the NY city streets as their personal parking lot.

Plus, there is not a chance in this world the UN would cut a break for Israel.

After all, they have been systematically attempting to destroy the Jewish State since 1948 when they suffered buyer’s remorse over the mandate to return Israel to the Jewish people.

This is no small dilemma for American Jews and Christians who support Israel.

Thinking about such an occurrence and actually watching as Americans battle Israelis will present a picture most in the world never thought they would live to see.

It is frightening portrait of American disloyalty and a sad testament to a nation that once held integrity and principles in highest esteem. We must also think about the consequence that might ensue if Israel is pushed into a corner alone and without her once strongest ally. I fear they may be more drastic than the world may wish or imagine.

The threat of nuclear attack on Israel has been kept at bay by the prospect of swift and deadly retaliation from the United States. If the U.S. is no longer an ally, but on the side of Israel’s enemies, I’m afraid the scenario is scarier than a Stephen King novel.

Let’s play what if?

What if you are Israel, a tiny little speck in a sea of hostile Muslim nations? You have missiles attacking you on all fronts to wipe you off the earth.

It will be left to one man to decide whether to allow Israel to be annihilated, or fight back.

The Jewish people have an expression, “Never Again.” And although too many Jewish people have forsaken that credo and turned traitor or become indifferent, Israel in the end must honor that pledge made 64 years ago to six million ghosts.

Make no mistake; the button will be pushed. If Israel goes, it’s taking the entire Middle East and beyond along, too. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Nothing will stop the destruction and when the bombs start flying, the entire region will be laid bare.

So much for the Muslim Caliphate the Islamic extremists are so hoping to arrange with Israel out of the way.

Israel will do what it ultimately needs to do. The six million Jews living in Israel will not die alone this time. Perhaps that should be carefully considered before the United States adds its manpower to the battle and turns its back on its former friend and ally.

The Middle East is in turmoil and no one can predict how it will resolve itself. Will the new governments be stable, responsible and terror-free? Or will they be even worse than those who came before?

Unless we dig up Jean Dixon, we pretty much have to wait and see.

America has bought into the Palestinian fairy tale hype and now the world is at risk. However, there is only reality after all the false stories and marketing campaigns are over.

This is not the Twilight Zone or a parallel universe. Not another galaxy far, far away or star system populated by Jedi Warriors. It is Earth, and the truth is, the Arabs have done a hellava job in the PR department and they are winning the war. So well in fact they have even turned the U.S. to their side.

I fear we are all in for a rude awakening one day soon.

As Bette Davis said in All About Eve, “fasten your seat belts, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.”

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The series “Postcards from America—Postcards from Israel” by Ari Bussel and Norma Zager is a compilation of articles capturing the essence of life in America and Israel during the first two decades of the 21st Century.

The writers invite readers to view and experience an Israel and her politics through their eyes, Israel visitors rarely discover.

This point—and often—counter-point presentation is sprinkled with humor and sadness and attempts to tackle serious and relevant issues of the day. The series began in 2008, appears both in print in the USA and on numerous websites and is followed regularly by readership from around the world.

© “Postcards from America — Postcards from Israel,” March, 2011 Contact: bussel@me.com

First Published March 24, 2011


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: casssunstein; israelsdestruction; neveragain; nuclearwar; presidentobama; samanthapower

1 posted on 03/24/2011 4:44:07 PM PDT by Ari Bussel
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To: justiceseeker93; ExTexasRedhead; Cindy; wagglebee; little jeremiah; JulieRNR21

The very thought of this is a nightmare.


2 posted on 03/24/2011 4:45:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes. Is not one third of the population in Israel...Arab?

What if they revolted (not a bright idea as they enjoy freedom as no other Arabs in the ME) and the UN declared a no-fly zone?


3 posted on 03/24/2011 4:49:36 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Ari Bussel

Hopefully the Israelis will be as good sports about it as we were about the USS Liberty.


4 posted on 03/24/2011 4:51:39 PM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: givemELL

This is just what Obama wants.


5 posted on 03/24/2011 4:52:14 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Ari Bussel

Instead of blaming the U.S. put the right name on it.

Obama.


6 posted on 03/24/2011 4:53:11 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: givemELL

there would be noone to run the hotels and restaurants.


7 posted on 03/24/2011 4:53:57 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Ari Bussel

Things have been headed this way for a long time.

America’s future hinges on our support of Israel.


8 posted on 03/24/2011 4:54:47 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

If that happens ... even I will recognize the signs of the last times


9 posted on 03/24/2011 4:57:37 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Pray for Obama ... Psalms 109:8)
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To: Ari Bussel

Said it before and I’ll say it again. I will not support any US troops that take up arms against Israel. I will support any that refuse.

I stand with Israel.


10 posted on 03/24/2011 5:05:08 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Ari Bussel

There is a twist to this.

US enlisted military personnel are never under direct UN command; but they are under its “administrative control”. That is, they are commanded by US officers, but they wear the “blue helmet” and shoulder patch of the UN, which matters as far as their Geneva Convention status goes, actually giving them more protections under the GC, than if they were wearing their US military “green helmets”.

US officers, while serving at the discretion of the POTUS, cannot be ordered, as such, to be under UN command, but may volunteer to do so “under US auspices”. That is, they may “accept” the leadership of a superior foreign officer, unless it is in conflict with their commissioned oath, but cannot be punished, only relieved, for refusing to do so.

So in this situation, say a UNSC resolution sending troops against Israel, that a weakling like Barry did not veto, he might direct US forces to be “under UN command”, and they would just refuse.

And believe me, they *would* refuse. Right now, it is a fight and a half just to get US enlisted personnel to put on that damned blue helmet, even when ordered to by US officers. They didn’t sign up for that, and bless their hearts, they are obstinate as mules in circumstances like that.

Asking them to fight the Israeli army and it’s just not going to happen.

It really doesn’t matter what the POTUS wants, how many foreign treaties he signs, and what all his Illuminati buddies think about this being the way to One World Government (tm). It ain’t gonna happen.


11 posted on 03/24/2011 5:15:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rbg81
Or to putit another way... it is the plan.

According to some, this is all part of the Soros plan to eliminate boarders - first up is the new obizmo policy of helping rebels wherever they are in the middle east. This plan helps establish the precedent. US UN Rep Rice (Cass Sunstein’s wife) has been a long time proponent of establishing a multinational UN mandated force to go in and occupy Israel.

The MB pretty much has taken Egypt. Once that position is solidified, link up with MB in Libya, Algeria and Tunisia - creating one contiguous area controlled by the MB.

The area from Turkey south to Egypt is now controlled by various dictators, kings, Jews all quite willing to shed each others blood. This are will now have to be pacified and made whole, thus the crying need for a multinational UN mandated force. Once the remaining pockets of Christians are eliminated and the Jews relocated, the MB and Hamas will take control, linking the entire Eastern and Southern Med in the New Caliphate, but without boarders - this fulfilling Soros’ Grand Dream.

Meanwhile back on the ranch in the US, the country will be largely broke, unable to fund any sort of military, its oil and other natural resources locked up by environmental regulations, the majority of the youth too fat and in such poor physical shape they will be unfit for service, and too ill-educated to understand the difference.

At that point the US will be ripe for the pickings, and forced into a union with Canada, Mexico and south to Panama.

Muslin dominated Europe and muslim Russia will contend with the Chinese who will be in an energy pickle about then.

All because the American electorate was too stupid to look at the character and background of the man they elected President.

Ain't the future great! Be glad if you are over 65 ...

12 posted on 03/24/2011 5:26:29 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ari Bussel

Anyone who finds the truth about O’s birth certificate will be able to blackmail him.

Think the Mossad is up to the job?

Lets listen to Obama’s words. Let’s watch his policies. They’ll tell us a lot.


13 posted on 03/24/2011 5:32:15 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Domandred

“I stand with Israel”

As do hundreds of millions of americans. Let this happen and Washington D.C. will feel the wrath of God. Further, I do not believe the military would be complacent in this action. Talk about revolution! Bring it on Obama. Bring it on!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 03/24/2011 5:37:58 PM PDT by Murp (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Murp

I have relatives in Israel. Just thinking about this angers me beyond words other than profanity.


15 posted on 03/24/2011 5:50:47 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Ari Bussel
the Arabs have done a hellava job in the PR department and they are winning the war

I strongly disagree with that. The PR job has been done by our people, Democrats and leftist anti Semites have sold this bill of goods to a semi-literate populace with no knowledge of history, and no ability to think for themselves.

From Jimmy Carter on, the Democrats have systematically worked at the elevation of murderous Arabs and the destruction of the Jewish State. Personally, I believe that were it not for money and votes contributed by Jews to the Democrats, the Democrats couldn't care less if the Jews were wiped off the face of the earth. Just my opinion.

16 posted on 03/24/2011 5:57:52 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Ari Bussel; flat; unkus; jesseam; JLAGRAYFOX; 70th Division; freekitty; IrishMike; ...

The majority of the American people will not let this thug Regime turn on our ally Israel!

Joyce Kauffman - Why We Should Support Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmV1ffKP0ms


17 posted on 03/24/2011 6:00:09 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: givemELL

About 20% are arabs. They are currently voters. They may not like Jews, but they most certainly do not want to live in Hamastan or Fatastan.


18 posted on 03/24/2011 6:11:02 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: PIF
US UN Rep Rice (Cass Sunstein’s wife)

I think you mean Samantha Power.

19 posted on 03/24/2011 6:37:42 PM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: Domandred
I stand with Israel.

As do I.

20 posted on 03/24/2011 6:39:26 PM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: I Shall Endure

My personal theory is that Israel and the Russians will coordinate to get the truth about zerO into the media.

Russia has its own problems and they do not need a world-wide Islamist conflagration. Notice that they have been very verbal about this FUBAR kinetic operation.


21 posted on 03/24/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Ari Bussel

Don’t need Jean Dixon to know where this is all headed. I read the Book, and have some idea how it ends. The details I am not completely sure about. The Bible says the “Restrainer” (USA ?) will be removed and all hell will break loose. It is going to be the worst of times such has never been nor ever will be. The” Religion of Peace” (sarc)
will turn this earth into nuclear holocost. Unless God intervenes, no life will survive. (btw- earthquakes and disasters in many palces are part of the beginning of the END) I pray for Israel, the apple of God’s eye. God will curse those who curse Israel, and bless those that bless Israel. That is in the same Book. Shalom Ari.


22 posted on 03/24/2011 7:08:39 PM PDT by ghostkatz (if you are paying income tax, you are just a sharecropper for the government.)
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To: PIF

and we will be nation of Spanish speaking Muslims


23 posted on 03/24/2011 7:13:08 PM PDT by ghostkatz (if you are paying income tax, you are just a sharecropper for the government.)
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To: Ari Bussel

The makes me sick to even contemplate it; however, I also remember the infamous “Twenty-Nine Palms” questionnaire given to US Marines back in the late 80s. The primary question asked if Marines would fire upon fellow American citizens? If I remember rightly, the answer was yes. I don’t recall the percentage that answered “yes” or if it was provided. Obviously, the questionnaire created quite a stir. I suspect the Israeli question will create a similar stir once it is generally known - as it should.


24 posted on 03/24/2011 7:26:47 PM PDT by miele man
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Asking them to fight the Israeli army and it’s just not going to happen.

I wish I could believe you. But Obama just told the military to attack Libya, without so much as asking Congressional approval much less getting a declaration of war, and I've not heard of a single officer or soldier objecting to these outrageous and unconstitutional orders. They are meekly submitting to UN directives, contra the U.S. Constitution.

So we have a military of lawless thugs doing Obama's bidding and private agenda on the taxpayer dime. Not exactly a noble precedent. I'd like to think that there are some who are at least wrestling in their conscience about it, but I've not even seen that much.

25 posted on 03/24/2011 7:34:44 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Ephesians 2:8-10)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
My Parents live in Israel, and If I sent this to my Father and posted it, if the Mods Translated the German Swear words I would be banned forever. Believe me, he was a Marine and they know profanity that could make the Angry Video Game Nerd blush.
26 posted on 03/24/2011 8:22:05 PM PDT by KC_Lion (America is on the Brink of War with itself, and no one seems to notice or care.)
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To: Liberty1970

As much as many conservatives are finding this objectionable all of a sudden, the broader constitutional questions have been utterly ignored for years, so I am having a hard time getting excited about it.

Remember, at Qaddafi’s orders, in 1986, a disco was bombed in Berlin, killing two US military personnel. Then, again at his orders, the plane full of US military personnel was bombed, crashing on Lockerbie, Scotland. At any time after that, the US was effectively at war with Libya and free to commence hostilities. Ronald Reagan did so, a bit.

The exposure of the Khan proliferation network was, in effect, the final straw, and Qaddafi was given an ultimatum, one way or another, to discontinue his efforts, along with others, to build a nuclear weapon.

It was believed that he had been using his immense underground water project to conceal his nuclear activities:

http://is.gd/7kY8pO

So Qaddafi, probably unable to continue his nuclear scheme, discontinued it, and gave some minimal help to the west against al-Qaeda, that wanted to overthrow him, too.

This does not redeem him in our light. Thus, efforts to throw him out when the opportunity presented itself does not represent aggressive warfare. He started it.

And the two big ifs: If the rebels are able to displace him, and *if* they are less obnoxious than he is, then credit where credit is due to Barry, even though he was a day late and a dollar short.

It still doesn’t mean that the US military will fight Israel, unless they attack the US military first.


27 posted on 03/24/2011 10:25:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: givemELL

“What if they revolted (not a bright idea as they enjoy freedom as no other Arabs in the ME) and the UN declared a no-fly zone?”

I doubt the UN can enforce a non-fly zone over Israel without the U.S., and I don’t see the JCOS agreeing to it after doing a CBA. They’d pull a coup first if Ø insisted.

The U.S. military could probably overwhelm the IAF and IDF after a period of time, but the costs would be staggering compared to any conflict we’ve had since... korea?

Plus, is the U.S. ready to nuke Tel Aviv and risk Israel blowing the Aswan damn and lighting up Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc?


28 posted on 03/24/2011 10:27:44 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: reformedliberal
Russia has its own problems and they do not need a world-wide Islamist conflagration. Notice that they have been very verbal about this FUBAR kinetic operation.

Russia could have exercised their veto, too. They saw the plum of the US (via Obama) stepping into a manure pit...And we have, but I think even the Russians underestimated the extent of that.

29 posted on 03/25/2011 12:22:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ari Bussel
What do you think will happen, he asked me, when the United Nations recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state and sends in peacekeeping troops?

Despite all the posturing and blather from just about every sovereign state in the world, there will not be a palestinian state. It is not in the arabs' interests.

30 posted on 03/25/2011 3:53:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Mountain Troll

Irrelevant.


31 posted on 03/25/2011 4:21:25 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Smokin' Joe

What sort of pressure does that put on them?

Can the world just watch us fall and calmly go about their own interests? Seems we are all too connected for that, any longer.


32 posted on 03/25/2011 6:00:20 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Clintonfatigued

REMEMBER MICHAEL NEW!!!


33 posted on 03/25/2011 6:08:57 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: ExTexasRedhead
It's the progressives in general and the Obama regime in particular who have turned on Israel. As long as one Christian has a breath in the US, this can't happen. They are trying to make Christians irrelevant but they can't make our God irrelevant. Pray for America and Israel.
34 posted on 03/25/2011 7:01:57 AM PDT by Bitsy ( i)
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To: reformedliberal
What sort of pressure does that put on them? Can the world just watch us fall and calmly go about their own interests?

Not Europe, perhaps, but others would revel in our demise.

Seems we are all too connected for that, any longer.

No, no pressure at all. Their poor are dirt poor, and used to it. The rich are filthy rich, beyond needing more to maintain anything but ammo and arms research. If we tank, what do they need arms for besides maintaining internal order?

35 posted on 03/25/2011 10:11:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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